RE: Citroen Saxo VTS: Spotted

RE: Citroen Saxo VTS: Spotted

Saturday 14th July 2018

Citroen Saxo VTS: Spotted

Cheap, fun, French hot hatches are still out there; snap them up before it's too late



Pity the Citroen Saxo VTS. It is forgotten hot hatch of the turn of the millenium, found sitting in the shadow of the Renault Clio 182s and Honda Civic Type Rs of this world. Blame a combination of things - a lingering whiff of association with barry boy types who did obscene things to them in the early 2000s involving multiple exhausts, perhaps. Then there's the fact that its 120hp output sounded decidedly weedy next to those of its hot hatch brethren - even back then.

But you, dear PH reader, are of course enlightened enough to know that a low power figure doesn't tell the whole story - and indeed, that today's boy racers have moved on to pastures new, if they exist at all. You, therefore, will also be aware that today, a Saxo VTS is an extremely tempting thing to own.


For example, in today's world of complex electronics we so often crave simplicity. Here, you've got it, front and centre, in the form of a 1.6-litre 16v engine that does without a turbo or an exhaust valve or any other such frippery. In the styling, too - crisp and unfettered, and pumped up with just the right amount of extra aggression by those cute square arches and chunky rub strips.

Underneath it all, of course, sits a chassis that does ride and handling the way the best French chassis always used to. Just enough squidge to shrug off mid-corner bumps combined with just enough stiffness to ensure the VTS bounds through corners like an excited puppy, its steering yapping away at you while its tail wags benignly at the slightest provocation.

Inside, it's all cheap plastics and 90s velour, but that's OK because what more would you expect? Those seats are surprisingly comfy, remember, and hold you in place better than many a modern sports seat with infinite adjustability. The same goes for equipment - electric front windows and a stereo are about the size of it, but who cares when you're having this much fun?


This VTS in particular looks like cracking value. It's done less than 70,000 miles, remains completely standard and original, and looks to be in great nick. It's had just two owners, too, and if the ringbinder of previous service invoices is anything to go by, they look to have been fastidious.

In short, this is the kind of car you just don't see for sale very often any more, in the sort of unmolested condition that's almost impossible to find. It's the sort of car that should offer buckets of fun on a very slim budget. And it's the sort of car you'll remember was 'only three grand once' one day, when people remember how rare and how good it is. Snap this one up, then, before they do.


SPECIFICATION - CITROEN SAXO VTS

Engine: 1,587cc, 4-cyl
Transmission: 5-speed manual, front-wheel drive
Power (hp): 119@6,600rpm
Torque (lb ft): 107@5,200rpm
MPG: 33
CO2: 201g/km
First registered: 2002
Recorded mileage: 69,630
Price new: £11,795
Yours for: £2,995

See the original advert here.




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r11co

Original Poster:

6,244 posts

230 months

Saturday 14th July 2018
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Long time now since we sold on our immaculate run-out model VTS that was the OH's daily driver, mainly because of the scary low NCAP rating and thoughts of the consequences of a head-on collision like the one sis-in-law had survived with just a busted knee in a contemporary Renault Megane of the time..

After a series of family boxes OH now drives a previous generation Suzuki Swift Sport - the spiritual successor to this in terms of mechanical simplicity and driving experience but with modern safety standards.

DoubleD

22,154 posts

108 months

Saturday 14th July 2018
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Its amazing to see 1 that hasnt been ruined

molineux1980

1,200 posts

219 months

Saturday 14th July 2018
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My Fiesta Zetec S is approaching it's final days, MOT looming, with an airbag light and possible rust issues may mean it'll be it's last one.

If I had the money i'd be sorely tempted by this as a replacement.

s m

23,226 posts

203 months

Saturday 14th July 2018
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The Nova SR of the late nineties although much quicker in VTS format.

Even by this stage youngsters were able to get a new car much more easily. Citroen made them much more accessible to buy than Peugeot ( and cheaper )

They were brilliant to drive and really came into their own on French roads ( who'd have thought it! ). Went to South of France/Italy a few times and it was fantastic to drive, just the lack of aircon meaning it was hot in slow moving traffic on the coast. Once moving the airflow was great with the sunroof and rear 1/4 vents.

Had a black VTS - the first to arrive at the local dealer on the 15" twists which I didn't like so did a swap onto the 14" soupbowls with a lad who was picking up his new VTR
They were quick for 120bhp and even on track could give a good showing against the more powerful Clios
Trying a 106Gti on track at a manufacturer freebie day was the reason I got one


Bencolem

1,017 posts

239 months

Saturday 14th July 2018
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My first car was a VTR in 1998 - free insurance was a strong pull back then! And just as well, I put it through a hedge more than once. Great little car at the time undermined by poor steering feel. This VTS looks strong value - but I prefer the looks (and alloys) of the pre-facelift models.

Daniel1

2,931 posts

198 months

Saturday 14th July 2018
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s m said:
The Nova SR of the late nineties although much quicker in VTS format.

Even by this stage youngsters were able to get a new car much more easily. Citroen made them much more accessible to buy than Peugeot ( and cheaper )

They were brilliant to drive and really came into their own on French roads ( who'd have thought it! ). Went to South of France/Italy a few times and it was fantastic to drive, just the lack of aircon meaning it was hot in slow moving traffic on the coast. Once moving the airflow was great with the sunroof and rear 1/4 vents.

Had a black VTS - the first to arrive at the local dealer on the 15" twists which I didn't like so did a swap onto the 14" soupbowls with a lad who was picking up his new VTR
They were quick for 120bhp and even on track could give a good showing against the more powerful Clios
Trying a 106Gti on track at a manufacturer freebie day was the reason I got one
Didnt they have no deposit and 1 year free insurance?

My friend picked up a SportKA the other day and its good fun to throw around so can see why these still have a following

Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah

12,958 posts

100 months

Saturday 14th July 2018
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Bencolem said:
My first car was a VTR in 1998 - free insurance was a strong pull back then! And just as well, I put it through a hedge more than once. Great little car at the time undermined by poor steering feel. This VTS looks strong value - but I prefer the looks (and alloys) of the pre-facelift models.
My first car was also a VTR, 2002. I only lost it once, quite spectacularly, thinking it could take leaving an A46 roundabout at 80mph. It couldn't.

That car taught me how to properly drive.

Edited by Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah on Saturday 14th July 10:07

CDP

7,459 posts

254 months

Saturday 14th July 2018
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These have been the obvious “next big thing” for a little while.

The pattern’s simple really. Just look for the stuff people hankered after as teens 25 years ago...

For reasons other than nostalgia why else do people go mad over MK2 Escorts?

I’m certain Boxsters won’t be cheap for long, especially now they’ve lost their USP.

s m

23,226 posts

203 months

Saturday 14th July 2018
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CDP said:
For reasons other than nostalgia why else do people go mad over MK2 Escorts?
Same as old 911 or old Alfa 105 - Very light, very compact, retro looks, eligibility for motor sports and with an upgraded engine to 150bhp or more, quick enough to have some fun in
That's what drives up prices of 1.3 automatics ( apart from the handful of ones kept original - as with any old cars - and driven to local motoring shows by your grandad )

FELIX_5

952 posts

197 months

Saturday 14th July 2018
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I've currently got a completely unmolested Saxo VTS with just 36,000 miles from new, cracking cars, which are now very thin on the ground, for obvious reasons.

s m

23,226 posts

203 months

Saturday 14th July 2018
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Daniel1 said:
Didnt they have no deposit and 1 year free insurance?

My friend picked up a SportKA the other day and its good fun to throw around so can see why these still have a following
Yes, insurance was free if you met the conditions - a big selling point

StottyGTR

6,860 posts

163 months

Saturday 14th July 2018
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CDP said:
These have been the obvious “next big thing” for a little while.

The pattern’s simple really. Just look for the stuff people hankered after as teens 25 years ago...

For reasons other than nostalgia why else do people go mad over MK2 Escorts?

I’m certain Boxsters won’t be cheap for long, especially now they’ve lost their USP.
I've got a 2 owner 106 GTI tucked away, thought I'd get one before the prices went crazy. Its caged with ITBs too cloud9

I can't wait until the prices rise and I can justify a full respray and rebuild!

kultsch88

123 posts

166 months

Saturday 14th July 2018
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It's amazing to look at the price and think how cheap it was back then, until you factor in inflation which puts it bang on the same price as the new fiesta ST 1.

Did anything really replace these Saxos? Seem to remember there being a C2 VTS but I don't think they make a modern equivalent...

aaron_2000

5,407 posts

83 months

Saturday 14th July 2018
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Didn't the VTS replace the 205 GTI in terms of being badly modified and ragged by chavs? In that case, at £3k, it seems like a no brainer.

slipstream 1985

12,220 posts

179 months

Saturday 14th July 2018
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Isn't the face lift as posted above 130bhp as opposed to the squareish lights being 120bhp?

NordicCrankShaft

1,724 posts

115 months

Saturday 14th July 2018
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I had a 2001 facelift VTS in topaz metallic (gold) from brand new as a 17 year old, insured under the old man's name, with a kevlar ram Air induction kit, a manifold back exhaust, some cams and some head work, had it rolling Roade during a "saxo sport club" meeting at 172bhp which in this day is nothing but that thing was unreal quick around tracks and b roads. I absolutely loved it and like a poster above mentioned, it was the go nation of me learning to properly drive and handle a car. So much fun!!

FK2R

32 posts

70 months

Saturday 14th July 2018
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I bought a VTR brand new in Poseidon blue back in 1999. It came with 2 years free insurance which was why they sold by the bucketload. Nice nippy little car and I had 7 problem free years of motoring with it until I traded it in for a Civic Type R. Sadly the MOT online checker says it’s not been on the road since 2012 so I guess it’s been written off. RIP T783WUG it was a pleasure.

B17NNS

18,506 posts

247 months

Saturday 14th July 2018
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Always liked these. Prefer the pre facelift version though.

106Gti also worth a look (pretty much identical cars).

s m

23,226 posts

203 months

Saturday 14th July 2018
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slipstream 1985 said:
Isn't the face lift as posted above 130bhp as opposed to the squareish lights being 120bhp?
You might be thinking of the VTR which went from 90 > 98bhp around Y reg
VTS was always the same

smithyithy

7,246 posts

118 months

Saturday 14th July 2018
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Looks-wise I always preferred the 106 GTi, but these are cracking little cars.

Never owned a Saxo but plenty of mates did (and wrote many off).

£3k today though... I think unless nostalgia is a major selling point, you could get something very similar but better for the money.

EG: https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...