RE: Showpiece of the Week: Ferrari 365 GTB/4 Group 4

RE: Showpiece of the Week: Ferrari 365 GTB/4 Group 4

Monday 16th July 2018

Showpiece of the Week: Ferrari 365 GTB/4 Group 4

Not an original factory car; do you care?



There was lots of discussion over Festival of Speed weekend about what really gets motorsport fans going, and draws them to such events. Because while the performance of electric vehicles was proven beyond doubt up the Duke of Richmond's driveway, there's an argument to say they still struggle to match the spectacle provided by combustion engined cars. If anything, the rise of the EVs makes you realise just how central engines are to our love of the automobile - to look at, to listen to and just to admire.

So for this week's Showpiece, the aim was simple: as emotional as possible, with a powertrain from the annals of great engines. And how much more emotional does it get than a manual, V12 Ferrari racing car?


Alright, so it could be one of the mid-engined cars. Or even a Grand Prix competitor. But there's something about a Daytona, the way it was never conceived as a race car, the way it's consequently overlooked for the 250s and suchlike and how it was Ferrari's last front-engined V12 for more than 20 years that makes it rather alluring. Especially when it's yellow.

Full disclosure: this is not a 365 GTB/4 Competizione, the 15 factory built cars from the early 70s that achieved considerable success in sportscar racing. This Daytona, chassis 13971, was a road car built in November 1970. Having passed through five owners during the decade, this Ferraris found its way to a Doctor Aldo Cudone on 18th November 1981. An avid collector and known tinkerer, Cudone asked the then-director of Ferrari's 'Assistenza Clienti', Gaetano Florini, to create him a racing Daytona. As the factory 365s had been competing in Group 4 races until 1979, it wasn't too difficult to obtain all the specs, and Michelotto - yes, the people behind the 333SP and F40 LM - was commissioned to build it.


This is the result. Every single aspect of the 365 was overhauled faithfully to Group 4 spec: the engine is up to 450hp (from 350hp as standard) thanks to a raised compression ratio (11.4:1, from 9.3:1), lighter rods, forged pistons, competition valves, a racier cam and more. The final drive is lower, the windows are plastic, the arches are pumped and the bonnet only opens with straps - late build or not, this is a proper race car.

Having been campaigned in Italy through the 80s and 90s, Cudone's Daytona was sold in 2001 to Mr Grahame Bryant in the UK, where it has resided ever since. Huge amounts of cash have been spent on it, with the car competing across the globe - Adelaide Classic, Tour Espana, Nurburgring, Abu Dhabi and, er, Brands Hatch. As such it's been kept in fine racing fettle, the car's FIA Historic Technical Passport valid until 2026 and history file said to be crammed with homologation papers, race results and Italian documentation. It's even - perhaps best of all - entirely road legal, with 12 months MOT.

Now be honest: who wouldn't be keen on the idea of racing a classic Ferrari? Or perhaps going one stage further, and driving a classic Ferrari to and from the race? Whichever, this car is surely the perfect riposte to those who think modern racers aren't entertaining enough for spectators or challenging enough for drivers. That leather trim should get nice and warm in this weather...


At the best part of a million pounds, this is not a bargain basement route into historic motorsport. No Ferrari is ever going to be, of course, with this car's value surely assisted by the rise in roadgoing Daytona prices. If anything it looks quite good value compared to those, though, because a 'regular' £700k Daytona isn't going to be much kop on a race track. And, er, none of them have cool stickers on.

Granted, it's quite hard to make a rational case for this £900,000 yellow Ferrari, but isn't that largely the point of a racing car? They transcend all logical justification by just being so exciting, fast and outrageously desirable. This 365 emphatically ticks all those boxes, and therefore deserves its 15 minutes of fame this Monday. Send your second driver applications to the usual address...

See the original advert here.





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cib24

Original Poster:

1,117 posts

153 months

Monday 16th July 2018
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Yes please.

BelfastBoy

779 posts

160 months

Monday 16th July 2018
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I imagine the Fchat Classiche-fetishists will look down on this, but I think it's great. Am also imagining how wonderful the V12 must sound howling through those beautiful exhaust pipes!

Charybdis

73 posts

284 months

Monday 16th July 2018
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This is one hell of a penis of a sports car!

365daytonafan

283 posts

185 months

Monday 16th July 2018
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Ultra cool car, but the market has not been kind to non period Competizione Daytonas in the last few years. IMHO this is not worth very much more than a stock road version. This seems to be borne out by this car being offered by a number of different dealers over the last three to four years, not sure of there have been any private owners during that time?

binnerboy

486 posts

150 months

Monday 16th July 2018
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That is exactly the sort of thing I would buy and go racing in if I won the lottery

Ferrari tick
v12 tick
racing tick

and road legal !!

perfect for nipping to the shops as long as they are drive through

cookie1600

2,116 posts

161 months

Monday 16th July 2018
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I think I prefer Nick Mason's 'proper' ex-Ecurie Francorchamps Le Mans car from 1972:



http://www.barchetta.cc/english/All.Ferraris/Detai...

I believe his wife Annette even uses it to go out shopping in.

Edited by cookie1600 on Monday 16th July 14:49

cookie1600

2,116 posts

161 months

Monday 16th July 2018
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BelfastBoy said:
Am also imagining how wonderful the V12 must sound howling through those beautiful exhaust pipes!
Imagine no more:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aa5pk5ybDw4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9sCYQEaqeo

sideways man

1,316 posts

137 months

Monday 16th July 2018
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Apparently these drive like bit of a lorry, everything is heavy and they’re reluctant to turn in a corner. Would I have one? Yes of course, I love them.

danllama

5,728 posts

142 months

Monday 16th July 2018
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Reminds me of that gents book 'Let them stare'.

What a machine this is.

Gary29

4,159 posts

99 months

Monday 16th July 2018
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Perfect

sparta6

3,698 posts

100 months

Monday 16th July 2018
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This car lapped me at Snetterton in '06 in the Ferrari Classic race.
Looked awesome as it passed me just before Bombhole, and sounded even better biggrin

unsprung

5,467 posts

124 months

Tuesday 17th July 2018
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Charybdis said:
This is one hell of a penis of a sports car!
"Enjoy your new car, Mr Griffin."

https://youtu.be/mZNr9C7zkw8


unsprung

5,467 posts

124 months

Tuesday 17th July 2018
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cookie1600 said:
BelfastBoy said:
Am also imagining how wonderful the V12 must sound howling through those beautiful exhaust pipes!
Imagine no more:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aa5pk5ybDw4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9sCYQEaqeo
that second link is proper feral

just fantastic


aeropilot

34,600 posts

227 months

Tuesday 17th July 2018
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365daytonafan said:
Ultra cool car, but the market has not been kind to non period Competizione Daytonas in the last few years. IMHO this is not worth very much more than a stock road version.
Which surely makes it the ideal car to buy to use and abuse, and enjoy it for what it is, not for what it's chuffing 'investment' potential is or having to worry about it...... banghead


BelfastBoy

779 posts

160 months

Tuesday 17th July 2018
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cookie1600 said:
Roads in heaven must sound like that! beer

sparta6

3,698 posts

100 months

Tuesday 17th July 2018
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9sCYQEaqeo

Nice piece

"Built for speed & longevity"

Second principle is not something that all manufacturers currently adhere to

LotusOmega375D

7,627 posts

153 months

Tuesday 17th July 2018
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The owner took me out for a spin in this back in around 1990 or so. It was red back then. It had been converted from a road car to Group 4 spec. with 450bhp in the late 1970s I think. Possibly the last RHD Daytona produced.




cookie1600

2,116 posts

161 months

BVB

1,102 posts

153 months

Tuesday 17th July 2018
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Surely a bargain!......if you're loaded that is.

Mr Tidy

22,334 posts

127 months

Tuesday 17th July 2018
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Fantastic car - sadly I'm about £980,000 short of the asking price. rolleyes

The Daytona was my poster car as a teenager - I'm sure it was the quickest car in the Autocar and Motor magazine road test results for the best part of a decade. 0-60 in 5.4 seconds, 174 mph top speed and 13.7 seconds 1/4 mile!

Fantastic performance for the early 70s - maybe I need to keep buying lottery tickets! laugh