RE: Showpiece of the Week: Bentley 4 1/2 Litre

RE: Showpiece of the Week: Bentley 4 1/2 Litre

Monday 20th August 2018

Showpiece of the Week: Bentley 4 1/2 Litre

A long-legged version of Bentley's most iconic Le Mans sports car? Grab your flying jacket!



Imagine it's the 1920s and the week running up to the 24 Hours of Le Mans. You’re sat outside a country pub in Kent on a warm summer’s day, flicking through a broadsheet in search of a report on the upcoming race. Over the rustle of turning pages you can just make out the chatter of a horse-drawn plough several hundred yards away and the gentle bristling of long grass in the wind when you hear them. One or two, or maybe three. Deep, raucous and menacing, their engines are being worked with real vigour and it's only a few moments before a trio of green sports cars burst into sight as the hedge line ends and roar up the hill, their four-wheel drum brakes finally pulling them to a halt at the entrance. The Bentley Boys are here.

But not for long. There's a drive to Dover to crush, after all, and the prospect of buying the first round at Le Mans for the last man to show - a fate worse than afternoon tea with the Kaiser. So off they charge, leaving the scent of racing mineral oil and moustache wax in their wake, and sealing their reputation as moneyed devil-may-care types with nothing but speed and derring-do on the menu.


Yes, that was that what it was like in the run up to Le Mans during the roaring ‘20s. Maybe. Or maybe not. Either way, it’s true that these years were pivotal for Bentley. The marque made its name at Le Mans when it cars were made in a factory on the corner of Edgware Road in Cricklewood. Its racers couldn’t have made a more interesting contrast to the current era; in motorsports fledgling years, they were brutes. And the Bentley 4 ½ Litre was the most advanced of them all.

Conceived for racing but legal for the road, the car used a 4.4-litre engine (despite the name) with four humungous cylinders. The model’s engine was more powerful than the previous racing Bentley’s 3.0-litre motor, and it was lighter than the 6.5-litre six-cylinder engine Bentley could have used but opted not to. When the 4 ½ Litre competed at Le Mans it didn’t just win, it dominated, topping its first race there despite suffering a broken chassis that ruined its handling. And because the firm was forging the reputation it carries today, the 4 ½ Litre among the most important cars ever made by the British marque.


Certainly it offered some pretty spectacular performance for its day. In standard trim the 4.4-litre engine produce 175hp (the racers had 240hp) and could push the large sports car, which wore a large chrome front grille at its fore ahead of the long bonnet and open-top body, to 60mph in around 8.0sec and a top speed of more than 100mph. By 1920s standards, it was practically a rocket ship. But some people took the performance further. It wasn’t uncommon for Bentley’s wealthy customers to request engine upgrades, including the upgrading of the 4 ½ Litre’s engine to 5.3-litres. While this compromised on weight, it enhanced the car’s effortless cruising capabilities, something owners keen on cross-continental drives appreciated.

This week’s Showpiece has been converted to exactly that specification, albeit only seven years ago, being born from the remains of two donor 4 ½ Litres and based on the chassis of a 1926 model. It’s being sold by a reputable Bentley dealer that claims “this is without doubt one of the fastest and most long legged” 4 ½ Litres in existence. So grow your handlebar moustache, don that flying jacket and transport yourself back to the glamour the roaring ‘20s. You’ll just need £450,000 for the privilege…

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Equus

Original Poster:

16,887 posts

101 months

Monday 20th August 2018
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I do wish PistonHeads would sack their bunch of semi-literate circus clowns and get in some people who actually know something about cars.

The body frame was ash and made by Vanden Plas, you Goons, not the chassis (which is plain, old-fashioned steel).

No Face

252 posts

189 months

Monday 20th August 2018
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Ugh, another article about an expensive VAG brand four pot - typical PH.

akirk

5,390 posts

114 months

Monday 20th August 2018
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article said:
being born from the remains of two donor 4 ½ Litres and based on the ash chassis of a 1926 model
so it is not an original Bentley then - it is a mish-mash of bits of cars
maybe one step better than a repro, but it was never a car of the 1920s as it didn't exist then...

ntiz

2,340 posts

136 months

Monday 20th August 2018
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akirk said:
article said:
being born from the remains of two donor 4 ½ Litres and based on the ash chassis of a 1926 model
so it is not an original Bentley then - it is a mish-mash of bits of cars
maybe one step better than a repro, but it was never a car of the 1920s as it didn't exist then...
Bitsas (not sure how to spell?) are very common in the vintage car world and are widely accepted as being "real" as long as correct parts have been used. But it is reflected in there value hence why this car is cheap for a 4.5 litre.

To be fair you could almost say the original cars are bitsas as most will have had new bodies, engines, gearbox, steering rack etc over the years. You could say the only thing that differentiates is that you can trace those replacement and modifications back to a car that rolled out of Bentley in the 20s even if it is nothing like the original car.

fido

16,797 posts

255 months

Monday 20th August 2018
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"In standard trim the 4.4-litre engine produce 175hp .." - with the aid of a supercharger (article doesn't mention)!

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

126 months

Monday 20th August 2018
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No Face said:
Ugh, another article about an expensive VAG brand four pot - typical PH.
You are a very bad man...

It does seem to be one heck of a bitsa, though. The "new" chassis number doesn't show up on the vintagebentleys.org list, while the engine number the ad gives comes from a 3 litre, while DVLA seem to think it's a 1926 car. Let's hope they don't have another crackdown like they did with Bugattis a few years ago.

Edited by TooMany2cvs on Monday 20th August 11:31

Tyre Smoke

23,018 posts

261 months

Monday 20th August 2018
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akirk said:
article said:
being born from the remains of two donor 4 ½ Litres and based on the ash chassis of a 1926 model
so it is not an original Bentley then - it is a mish-mash of bits of cars
maybe one step better than a repro, but it was never a car of the 1920s as it didn't exist then...
So which decade does 1926 belong in then? Because I would have bet my life that is the 1920s.

I think it's a very beautiful thing. I'd love it in my garage.

Black S2K

1,473 posts

249 months

Monday 20th August 2018
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No Face said:
Ugh, another article about an expensive VAG brand four pot - typical PH.
That did make me laugh out loud!

No Face

252 posts

189 months

Monday 20th August 2018
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Black S2K said:
No Face said:
Ugh, another article about an expensive VAG brand four pot - typical PH.
That did make me laugh out loud!
Heh, joking aside I’d love one of these regardless of its provenance - I’d challenge anyone who has read ‘Casino Royale’ not to want to be chasing a Citroen down a coast road in one.

Nerdherder

1,773 posts

97 months

Monday 20th August 2018
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Equus said:
I do wish PistonHeads would sack their bunch of semi-literate circus clowns and get in some people who actually know something about cars.

The body frame was ash and made by Vanden Plas, you Goons, not the chassis (which is plain, old-fashioned steel).
If I may add, I hope PH is grateful to have a readership that feels this strongly about its subject matter. Also, I hope that PH does something with it before its public turns away.

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

126 months

Monday 20th August 2018
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Tyre Smoke said:
akirk said:
article said:
being born from the remains of two donor 4 ½ Litres and based on the ash chassis of a 1926 model
so it is not an original Bentley then - it is a mish-mash of bits of cars
maybe one step better than a repro, but it was never a car of the 1920s as it didn't exist then...
So which decade does 1926 belong in then? Because I would have bet my life that is the 1920s.
Indeed. And that car did not exist in 1926. That car didn't even exist in 1986.

15yr build in SA, imported to the UK 2011. Doesn't say when it was built, but I'd guess the build started in the 1990s.

Tyre Smoke said:
I think it's a very beautiful thing. I'd love it in my garage.
Oh, hell, yes. I'm not exactly major anorak, though I would be a tad wobbly about the provenance, and exactly how it had been registered, in case DVLA do get a cob-on again. Damn near half a mill is a lot to risk, even if it is a big chunk less than a "real" one.

No Face said:
I’d challenge anyone who has read ‘Casino Royale’ not to want to be chasing a Citroen down a coast road in one.
I've not read Fleming, but are you thinking of...?

skylarking808

799 posts

86 months

Monday 20th August 2018
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I would purchase this and do my best "Peaky Blinders" impression.

That would be an absolute hoot to drive to twenty four hour car races even today.
I just need the money to buy it and grow my moustache a little!

akirk

5,390 posts

114 months

Monday 20th August 2018
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TooMany2cvs said:
Tyre Smoke said:
akirk said:
article said:
being born from the remains of two donor 4 ½ Litres and based on the ash chassis of a 1926 model
so it is not an original Bentley then - it is a mish-mash of bits of cars
maybe one step better than a repro, but it was never a car of the 1920s as it didn't exist then...
So which decade does 1926 belong in then? Because I would have bet my life that is the 1920s.
Indeed. And that car did not exist in 1926. That car didn't even exist in 1986.

15yr build in SA, imported to the UK 2011. Doesn't say when it was built, but I'd guess the build started in the 1990s.

Tyre Smoke said:
I think it's a very beautiful thing. I'd love it in my garage.
Oh, hell, yes. I'm not exactly major anorak, though I would be a tad wobbly about the provenance, and exactly how it had been registered, in case DVLA do get a cob-on again. Damn near half a mill is a lot to risk, even if it is a big chunk less than a "real" one.

No Face said:
I’d challenge anyone who has read ‘Casino Royale’ not to want to be chasing a Citroen down a coast road in one.
I've not read Fleming, but are you thinking of...?
exactly - I would be more than happy to have it - but it is not a 1920s car per se... not in its current form - it may be better as a result of that, but I feel that the price and the blurb is based on it being equivalent to an original... I have a friend with an original, (not over-restored) and there is something different about it v. a mish-mash restoration...

and quite agree about the Fleming 'feel' biggrin

(and love Brockbank as well...)

rallycross

12,793 posts

237 months

Monday 20th August 2018
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Black S2K said:
No Face said:
Ugh, another article about an expensive VAG brand four pot - typical PH.
That did make me laugh out loud!
+1 very funny

I’d love to have a drive in one of these, I don’t mind if it’s genuine or a recreation would just like to see what they feel like to hussle down the road - on the rare occasion of seeing these out on the open road they always seem to be driven in what might be described as in a spirited manor - as in in 3 figures and flying along in style nicely !

CDP

7,459 posts

254 months

Monday 20th August 2018
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Why does increasing capacity to 5.3 litres increase weight? Surely it would be an increase in bore or stroke? Or is there more to it in this case?

John-skoe0

58 posts

69 months

Monday 20th August 2018
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Provenance, price and specifications aside, the most achingly beautiful car featured on PH for a very long time

ntiz

2,340 posts

136 months

Monday 20th August 2018
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CDP said:
Why does increasing capacity to 5.3 litres increase weight? Surely it would be an increase in bore or stroke? Or is there more to it in this case?
Not entirely sure but from memory, I think you end up with 5.3 if you bore out a 3 litre and don’t shorten the stroke to get to 4.5.

I can’t wait to convert mine to 4.5 in the future. 3 litres struggle to get much past 90 but I know 4.5 break the 100 with out much pushing.

Black S2K

1,473 posts

249 months

Tuesday 21st August 2018
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ntiz said:
Not entirely sure but from memory, I think you end up with 5.3 if you bore out a 3 litre and don’t shorten the stroke to get to 4.5.

I can’t wait to convert mine to 4.5 in the future. 3 litres struggle to get much past 90 but I know 4.5 break the 100 with out much pushing.
I believe the 4.5 uses a larger block casting, but the same crankcase and valve chest. But that might be wrong.

markh450

85 posts

211 months

Tuesday 21st August 2018
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It is a non supercharged (blower) car shown in the picture (130 ish bhp). The same engines (running remanufactured steel cranks) are knocking out over 200bhp in racing / fast road form. This is normally aspirated and still running period only mods SU carbs etc.

Pretty scary things to drive quickly but surprisingly 'chuckable', the speed 6 (with the 6.5 litre engine is a different story and more akin to a very quick bus!).

One of the most interesting is the 3 litre with the 4.4 engine. a commonly made hybrid referred to as a 3/4.5 . Weighing at not much over a tonne with 200bhp and cable operated brakes!

Nerdherder

1,773 posts

97 months

Wednesday 22nd August 2018
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markh450 said:
It is a non supercharged (blower) car shown in the picture (130 ish bhp). The same engines (running remanufactured steel cranks) are knocking out over 200bhp in racing / fast road form. This is normally aspirated and still running period only mods SU carbs etc.

Pretty scary things to drive quickly but surprisingly 'chuckable', the speed 6 (with the 6.5 litre engine is a different story and more akin to a very quick bus!).

One of the most interesting is the 3 litre with the 4.4 engine. a commonly made hybrid referred to as a 3/4.5 . Weighing at not much over a tonne with 200bhp and cable operated brakes!
Amazing, magnificently capable cars. I'd love a longread on them.