PH Service History: Loan Rangers
Taking out a loan to buy a future classic isn't entirely crazy - not if it'll pay off the interest by appreciating in value
So, borrowing to buy a car, eh? Par for the course, these days. Most people in the UK now buy their cars using some sort of finance arrangement, after all, and even those who don't any more have probably tried it at some point in the past.
And while the relative merits of a PCP or HP deal are debatable, in these days of super-low interest rates, a personal loan looks like an attractive way of doing things. Especially if you want to get your hands on a cheap modern classic, but haven't quite got the capital to hand.
But of course, borrowing to buy an automotive toy is somewhat different to buying a daily on finance. Is it really sensible? Well, as with all good things in life, your conscience is probably urging you to answer 'no'. But at the moment, I actually think there's some sound reasoning behind this way of doing things - especially if you haven't got enough capital to be able to afford a second car out of your savings, or don't want to endanger them.
There are, as always, a couple of caveats. First, find a car that's going to appreciate in value, even if it's only by a little. Then, stick to a small loan amount. That way, the amount of interest you're paying can't exceed the appreciation your car experiences during the loan period - and if times get tough and you can't afford the monthly repayments any more, you can always sell the car and pay off what you owe.
£5000 isn't obscene, and is enough to get you into something enjoyable; after three years, it'd have cost you around £400-500 to borrow this much, so find something that's gone up in value more than that and you'll be laughing. What's more, £5000 is about the least you can borrow before interest rates start to creep up, as they do with smaller sums. Believe it or not, from some lenders you'll pay less to borrow £5000 than you will to borrow £4000.
Finally, choose your car carefully. Because, at the end of the day, this way of thinking is worth naught if you buy an old snotter that needs thousands of pounds throwing at it. Of course, any old car will need maintenance - but if you can minimise that with a car that's proven reliable and cheap to fix when it does go wrong, you might find its appreciation will cover even these costs.
Of course, something like this early Porsche Boxster rather flies in the face of that last rule. With the potential for RMS faults and porous engine blocks, these early cars' prices are depressed for a reason, and probably not the best option if you're risk-averse.
Having said that, this example has already managed to cover 111,000 miles - and there's a school of thought that if it hasn't broken yet, it's probably one of the good ones and it won't. Happily, if my Porsche knowledge is correct, then IMS bearing issues are less of an issue what with this 2.5's double-row bearing rather than the troublesome single-row item that caused so many problems in the later models; what's more, as a 1997 car it was made before the various liner issues that compounded the 986's bad name took hold.
And in terms of risk vs reward, the 986 has an advantage, because it's one of the safest bets to rise in value in the coming years. It's likely that an early, amber-indicator car like this one will be one of the most sought-after, too, as it's the closest in design terms to the original Boxster concept car and still fast and fun enough to be interesting. If it gives you no issues on the reliability front, this could be a real joy to own.
What I've done so far here is to tell you to play it safe if you're sinking loan money into a modern classic, then show you a 986 Boxster, one of the most potentially ruinous things you could buy. Ahem. So let's calm down a bit and look at some more sensible options, shall we? Beginning with this beautiful old E34 525i Sport. Now, E34s have been slowly but surely heating up over the past few years, but I reckon before long the Sport models, with their M5-esque styling, tweaked suspension and limited-slip diffs, are going to start to separate themselves from the pack and really fly in value, in much the same way as happened with the E30 before.
Granted, this 525i is less desirable than a 535i, but its value is only going one way - and as a later M50TU-engined model, this one kicks out 189 super-smooth horsepower, which isn't far off the original 535i's output. It hasn't been messed with, and the colour scheme is just perfect, too - Avus Blue over grey leather, with beautifully matched smoked wood infills and M-striped gaiters. What a fab place to spend time, and given there are no known histrionics to worry about, a very smart place to sink your £5000 loan.
Or how about something a little less obvious? This Mk3 Golf VR6 looks like a cracking buy. Fully historied and in impressive condition, it's just the sort of thing you want as an investment piece. But hang on, I hear you say - a Mk3 Golf? Well, let's not forget the VR6 was a joyous thing, all six-pot noise and terrific acceleration, and it handled better than most Mk3s too, with tremendous grip and some lift-off oversteer available to those with quick reactions.
People will soon start to cotton on to this; together with the Mk3's oh-so-90s looks, I reckon that means these are one of those little gems that'll start to climb in value when your back is turned. In any case, I can't believe one as good as this will still be this cheap in a three years' time, so chances are you'll make back your cash and your interest. What of reliability, though? Well, the Mk3's pretty robust and technologically simple, so even if things do go wrong, it shouldn't cost you the earth to fix.
But if out-and-out reliability is what you're after, something Japanese sounds tempting. And I reckon you could do an awful lot worse than this lovely old third-generation Honda Prelude. No, your eyes do not deceive you: it's a genuine 4WS with a manual gearbox and low mileage.
Such things do not crop up often. And while they're one of those less well-known 1980s classics - which is probably why they haven't yet gone stratospheric like some others - their ineffable 80s-ness combined with their rarity will one day make them quite desirable. Perhaps the Prelude won't shoot up in value - but like the Golf, I'd be surprised if you didn't make the cost of your interest back in three years' time.
Still think borrowing to buy a classic is a daft idea? Well, then I'm probably not going to convince you otherwise. But I do think done sensibly and carefully, it's a terrific way to own an interesting car you might not otherwise be able to afford.
Or if there is a bad Brexit after 30th March 2019 keep your eyes peeled for anyone looking to liquidate their modern classic.
While no-one will ban them outright, using them will certainly be heavily discouraged. I'm certainly not going to pay £12.50 to drive the five miles from my house to Greenwich for a Sunday afternoon walk in the park, and I suspect a lot of others won't either.
This reminds me of the old adage that you should sell when a cabby tells you to buy a stock.
I can’t decide whether the future holds:
A) a world where any vaguely interesting IC car is cherished as an artefact of historical engineering marvel and is valued accordingly.
B) a world where there are so few petrol stations that driving anywhere is a hassle and they end up being stored and operated on motordrome style set ups where the ecosystem solely exists to support IC heritage cars. Essentially anything but the best is worthless.
This reminds me of the old adage that you should sell when a cabby tells you to buy a stock.
I can’t decide whether the future holds:
A) a world where any vaguely interesting IC car is cherished as an artefact of historical engineering marvel and is valued accordingly.
B) a world where there are so few petrol stations that driving anywhere is a hassle and they end up being stored and operated on motordrome style set ups where the ecosystem solely exists to support IC heritage cars. Essentially anything but the best is worthless.
Basically, don't assume your car will appreciate, do expect it to need money spending on maintenance and repairs, and budget accordingly.
Just what kind of fkwit planet were you on when you wrote that lunacy?
People who don’t understand the absolute primary school basics of finance really ought not to be writing articles intimating that people get involved in finance.
And apart from the absolutely mental jibberish that borrowing money doesn’t endanger your own money just what kind of capital return would be needed on a capital asset that has around a 10-20% negative yield before debt is even accounted for??? And on what planet does gearing reduce a negative yield!!!
Back on planet Earth we’re seeing quite a decline in the amount of new debt being sought for speculative car purchases. This has been the case for maybe a couple of years now. Specialist lenders are also finding it harder to get their lines of credit without paying more.
In general, the market does seem to be taking a well earned and sensible breather.
Prices on most "modern classics" and classics are softening now.....plenty of unsold auction lots, cars in the classifieds for months on end....my advice is sit tight whilst the market adjusts properly, this takes time as people have their leg in and dont want to take a hit on what they paid in the last few years.
Mudane non rare avaerage cars were doing silly money, was obviously not sustainable long term
If you're having to borrow 5k to buy an old boxster because you don't have the money, then don't buy the car as you clearly have other financial fish to fry before buying weekend sports cars.
I reckon you should never borrow 1. any more than you can afford to lose and 2. No more than 50% of the purchase price. Tops.
Some alternative suggestions:
£5k Boxster? £1.5k MX-5 https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
£5k 525i? £1k Omega 3.0 manual https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
£4k VR6? £700 Alfa 156 V6 https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
£4k Prelude? £1k Prelude 2.2 VTi https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
Just what kind of fkwit planet were you on when you wrote that lunacy?
People who don’t understand the absolute primary school basics of finance really ought not to be writing articles intimating that people get involved in finance.
And apart from the absolutely mental jibberish that borrowing money doesn’t endanger your own money just what kind of capital return would be needed on a capital asset that has around a 10-20% negative yield before debt is even accounted for??? And on what planet does gearing reduce a negative yield!!!
Back on planet Earth we’re seeing quite a decline in the amount of new debt being sought for speculative car purchases. This has been the case for maybe a couple of years now. Specialist lenders are also finding it harder to get their lines of credit without paying more.
In general, the market does seem to be taking a well earned and sensible breather.
As others have said, the classic car market is the canary in the mine as far as financial collapses are concerned.
£4k VR6? £700 Alfa 156 V6 https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
I'm currently trying to justify them in my head when I should really be getting rid of cars...
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