RE: Turbochargers beckon for next-gen 911 GT3

RE: Turbochargers beckon for next-gen 911 GT3

Friday 31st August 2018

Turbochargers beckon for next-gen 911 GT3

Latest spy pics signal the advent of blowers in the most desirable 911. Say it ain't so



Please, God - let this not be true. The news hounds at the Autocar have it on good authority that the next generation of GT3 - the final bastion of the naturally-aspirated 911 - will likely be turbocharged. That's partly on the strength of some recent test mule shots, but mostly thanks to a well-placed source with 'direct links' to Porsche Motorsport. 

The AC's track record in calling such things correctly is strong (strong enough to tower above its so-called rivals in this country at any rate), but, just for once, we're hoping our colleagues down the corridor are barking up the wrong tree at Weissach. A turbocharged GT3 would be wrong. Wrong like a four-cylinder Rolls-Royce or a diesel Ferrari or a six-figure Dacia.


 

Sure, it would be fast. If it gets the 'heavily reworked' version of the current 911 Turbo's twin-turbocharged 3.8-litre flat-six mooted, it couldn't be anything but. It will almost certainly be good too - in the entirely objective, fitness-for-purpose way that practically every Porsche is (a truism that goes double for the output of its Motorsport division). 

But it won't be atmospheric, and that thought festers. No matter what you think of Porsche or its product lineup, there isn't a PHer alive who can't get onboard with the sound and fury of a 4.0-litre motor outputting 500hp at 8,250rpm. The unencumbered, part-crazed brilliance of the current incumbent of the GT3's engine bay can hardly be overstated.  

And of course things move on, and Porsche has to adhere to the same emission targets as everyone else. And we're not impervious to the very real argument which says that the current GT2 is already superior to the GT3, and therefore plainly not handicapped by its blowers one bit. But that doesn't prevent the lack of an NA option at or near the summit of the 911 range feeling like a prospective kick in the teeth.


After all, we've already endured four-cylinder Caymans and turbocharged Carreras on the basis of better bottom-line efficiency. Soon there will be hybrid 911, too. None are bad, no - not by a long way - but each represents a very subtle weakening of the central Porsche formula - the one which helps define the brand as special and well worthy of adulation.

And, okay, we've been here before. For some aficionados, the manufacturer's soul disappeared out the door with the final 993 and the retirement of air-cooling. Porsche survived (indeed, flourished) after that policy change, and it will be rightly confident of doing so again. But the addition of turbochargers to the GT3 would mean an additional nail in the pernicious idea that it's becoming more fun (and spiritually fulfilling) to look through Porsche's back catalogue than at its prospectus for the immediate future. 

[Images: S. Baldauf/S.B. Medien]




 

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sidesauce

Original Poster:

2,476 posts

218 months

Friday 31st August 2018
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Let the beards weep.

Meanwhile, Porsche will sell every single GT3 they can make.

Onehp

1,617 posts

283 months

Friday 31st August 2018
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Let's hope they minimize lag and let the engine rev to at least 8000rpm....

lestiq

705 posts

169 months

Friday 31st August 2018
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and watch the prices of NA GT3s skyrocket. : (

Mr Whippy

29,039 posts

241 months

Friday 31st August 2018
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Turbo is fine if an emotor spins it up instantly.

Or given they’re all automatic now, why not have a little clutch on a transfer box and have the drivetrain inertia spin it up when needed?


Otherwise, no thanks. Why not just buy a GT2?

gofasterrosssco

1,238 posts

236 months

Friday 31st August 2018
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Could Porsche not develop a lower capacity supercharged engine - it would maintain the majority of the purity of response of the NA engine (vs. a turbocharging), while allowing substantial capacity down-sizing.

kambites

67,574 posts

221 months

Friday 31st August 2018
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It'll be interesting to see how they differentiate it from the GT2. Will it simply be a direct hierarchy or will they attempt to maintain a significant difference in character between the two? Or maybe the GT2 will go 4wd?

ManyMotors

642 posts

98 months

Friday 31st August 2018
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The author is incorrect. Note the Ferrari 488 is turbocharged in a manner that is difficult to detect. And look at the 488's gains over the 458: 18% more horsepower and 40% more torque, meaning more average horsepower, too. So Porsche will now take that approach and no doubt put their German spin on it. Do it, Stuttgart! We want ooommph!

mrbarnett

1,091 posts

93 months

Friday 31st August 2018
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Replace Porsche with any desirable manufacturer and you have the same article.

With each technical advancement, cars, on the whole, become less interesting. Rinse and repeat; let's all become classic car crinklies nerd

Tuvra

7,921 posts

225 months

Friday 31st August 2018
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lestiq said:
and watch the prices of NA GT3s skyrocket. : (
yes

NJ72

183 posts

98 months

Friday 31st August 2018
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The number of porsche fanboys is too damn high IMO.

A turbocharged engine is the future, and it won't make a porsche any less potent or engaging to drive.

If this is the reaction to turbos, you wait until they all become electric in a few years (goes and grabs popcorn...)

Mackofthejungle

1,072 posts

195 months

Friday 31st August 2018
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It's a bland lineup of 911s anyway. The GT3 never really interested me in the first place - it's all show, all "look at my wings and stupid seats" - it's been a statement car for 10 years now. "Yeah, it's a bit compromised, but I just need to feel everything" - yeah, no one cares, and you don't know what you're talking about.

Get a 996 3.4 while you can I say - the last great honest 911. They look and sound so good now - so small, so delicate, so unassuming.


tejr

3,105 posts

164 months

Friday 31st August 2018
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They should have retired the GT3 imo.. Keep the Turbo and GT2 models.. This thing is a GT3 in name only..

80sMatchbox

3,891 posts

176 months

Friday 31st August 2018
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Mackofthejungle said:
It's a bland lineup of 911s anyway. The GT3 never really interested me in the first place - it's all show, all "look at my wings and stupid seats" - it's been a statement car for 10 years now. "Yeah, it's a bit compromised, but I just need to feel everything" - yeah, no one cares, and you don't know what you're talking about.

Get a 996 3.4 while you can I say - the last great honest 911. They look and sound so good now - so small, so delicate, so unassuming.
I think that you're confusing a GT3RS to a GT3? Your visual description doesn't fit well with a GT3, nevermind a GT3 touring.

For the record, there is a 996 GT3 too.

All of them have been driver focused, and much less showy than anything Italian.

vz-r_dave

3,469 posts

218 months

Friday 31st August 2018
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I dont see why they are bothering to make anything bigger than a 2000cc 4 pot anymore. Just downsize now and be done with it as far as I am concerned.

Diverandy

11 posts

96 months

Friday 31st August 2018
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We’ve heard this sort of moaning before. No manuals, electric power steering and now turbos. It’s progress. The bottom line is articles like this are designed to plump the price of the last gen cars, while everyone knows the next gen cars are superior. Don’t bother mentioning the 911R, it’s the automotive equivalent of the Emperors New Clothes. Less than 6 months after some imbecile paid £500k for one, Porsche announce the GT3 Touring.

glm1977

199 posts

161 months

Friday 31st August 2018
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isnt all this assumption about this being the GT3 based on the fact that the latest spy shots show a car with centre lock wheels and central exhausts... if so, who is to say this isnt the next GTS using the turbo engine of the base 992 rather than the GT3....?

seems like a lot of websites are trying too eek out news on some pictures that clearly no body actually knows what they represent

kambites

67,574 posts

221 months

Friday 31st August 2018
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NJ72 said:
If this is the reaction to turbos, you wait until they all become electric in a few years (goes and grabs popcorn...)
I'll never buy a turbocharged sports car but I'd be quite happy with an electric one. smile

g7jhp

6,964 posts

238 months

Friday 31st August 2018
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kambites said:
It'll be interesting to see how they differentiate it from the GT2. Will it simply be a direct hierarchy or will they attempt to maintain a significant difference in character between the two? Or maybe the GT2 will go 4wd?
Isn't that a 911 turbo?

The GT2 was always the 2wd lightweight turbo or turbocharged GT3.

Time for Porsche to redefine their range.

PorkRind

3,053 posts

205 months

Friday 31st August 2018
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I cant afford one,unless i sell my house and move into a 2 bed flat.

Wills2

22,832 posts

175 months

Friday 31st August 2018
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Mr Whippy said:
Or given they’re all automatic now, why not have a little clutch on a transfer box and have the drivetrain inertia spin it up when needed?
But their not all automatic.