RE: PH Service History: The answer to everything

RE: PH Service History: The answer to everything

Sunday 2nd September 2018

PH Service History: The answer to everything

The new MX-5 is here, and it's a bit of alright. But is an earlier example a smarter bet financially? Scrof thinks so.



"Rejoice, because the latest MX-5 is the real deal: a proper back-to-basics sports car in its purest form." So says my esteemed colleague Mr Sheehan in his write-up on the facelifted ND - or Mk4 - MX-5; a car which apparently rights most of the few wrongs of the original, turning it from a deeply amusing toy convertible into one that has enough power - just - to be genuinely exciting.

It seems, then, that the MX-5 remains the answer to everything - just as it always has been. But £23,000 might seem quite a lot to spend on one - especially given how cheaply used examples can be had. So whither the previous generations of the MX-5 - and is a pre-facelift ND still worth your time?

I reckon so. Have a look at this early 1.5 SE-L Nav. It's only a couple of years old with just 20,000 miles on the clock - few enough that it should still feel like a new car. Yet it'll set you back just £13,000, with a bit of a haggle. Granted, the 1.5 isn't quick, but I've always found its sweet, rev-happy nature makes it actually more enjoyable to wring its neck than the slightly less free-spinning pre-facelift 2.0. And this SE-L Nav spec keeps things relatively simple, with an uncluttered interior, cloth seats, smaller wheels and squidgier suspension, the better to soak up all those B-road bumps.


I actually ran one of these, in this exact specification, as a long-termer for six months when the ND first came out. There was a lump in my throat when it went back. It was comfortable and economical enough for everyday, yet that terrier of an engine and wonderfully reactive chassis made you feel as though you were bombing around at crazy speeds, when in fact you were rarely breaking the limit. I fell for it in a big way; the fact you can buy one today for this sort of cash has me seriously tempted.

Of course, the ND still has a fair way to travel on the depreciation scale. If you'd rather a modern MX-5 that's already taken most of its hit, you could do a lot worse than a Mk3. Oh, I know, it has the reputation as the duffer of the family, but let's not get carried away here; after all, even though it lost some of the bare-bones simplicity of the earlier models, the Mk3 was still very good fun to drive - the facelift versions especially so, with a revised power steering system that fixed some of the stiffness of the earlier examples'.

These later cars are now going for tempting money, too. This one, for example, feels like a steal. On for £6,300 by a private seller, it's the model you want - a 2.0 Sport Tech, finished in fetching black over black. It's also had some sympathetic tweaks from an MX-5 specialist, to make it even sharper, plus you get most of the mod cons you'd get in the later ND, too - in other words, air con and heated leather.


True, this example has a dented sill, which you'll need to spend out on to get fixed. But even after you budget £500 for a new sill - assuming you want to bother doing it at all - this still looks like a cheap example with some sensible tweaks to make it sharper than the average Mk3.

But what if even this sort of cash is beyond your budget? Well, anyone who knows anything about banger motoring knows that one of the smartest ways to spend two grand on something fun these days is on a Mk2 MX-5. In fact, you don't even need to spend that much; just look at this example with its low miles, leather interior and wood-rimmed wheel, on for a fiver short of £1,600. That makes it almost as much fun - if not as much - as a Mk4 for a tenth of the price.

It rather goes without saying with any old MX-5 that you'll want to check for frilly bits. But if it isn't a rustbucket, this strikes me as one of the most tempting sports car bargains out there at the moment. A recent cambelt and waterpump change, a life spent in the garage and lots of paperwork suggest it's been well looked after; the short MOT is less appealing, but you can't have your cake and eat it.


Of course, the elephant in the room as far as the Mk2 is concerned is the Mk1. It's cuter, more compact and more direct than its successor, and is therefore more desirable, especially so given the fact you get pop-up headlights to play with. The problem is it's rather tricky to find good Mk1s at non-speculative prices these days. It's not impossible, though. This one is only a few hundred quid more than the Mk2 above, and looks to have been well-loved, again coming with a fair bit of paperwork. Looks well on its cross-spokes, too, and while the mileage is higher than the Mk2's, it's not exorbitant.

Mind you, it's the sort of car you should snap up, because low-mile Mk1s are more usually coming onto the market at £3,000 and above these days. This late Harvard's a lovely thing, for example, and its £3,495 price tag is indicative of the fact it's a late model and a special edition - but I tend to subscribe to the argument that a Mk1 MX-5 is best served simple, which means I'd think twice about paying the premium over the more basic car.

But if you do want a cheap Mk1, move quickly. Not only are numbers dwindling due to their appetite for rust, but speculators are already asking big money for low-mileage examples. That's usually an indication that prices are about to rise. And given how much fun they still are, that could make a well-bought example a considerably smarter - and cheaper - investment than that facelifted Mk4 you're now very tempted by.


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Craikeybaby

Original Poster:

10,411 posts

225 months

Sunday 2nd September 2018
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The mk3 May be the most unloved, but I preferred the facelift model I had to the mk1 I ran for 6 years prior. It felt just as fun as the mk1, but was more refined.


If I was to buy, or recommend, a used MX-5 now it would be a mk3.5 2.0 SE. The 2.0 SE gets the bigger engine and LSD, but without the extra pointless bling. The fancy shocks on the Sport will likely need to be replaced at this age anyway.

AAD44H

410 posts

159 months

Sunday 2nd September 2018
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Craikeybaby said:
The mk3 May be the most unloved, but I preferred the facelift model I had to the mk1 I ran for 6 years prior. It felt just as fun as the mk1, but was more refined.


If I was to buy, or recommend, a used MX-5 now it would be a mk3.5 2.0 SE. The 2.0 SE gets the bigger engine and LSD, but without the extra pointless bling. The fancy shocks on the Sport will likely need to be replaced at this age anyway.
Much better tyres as well biggrin

GibsonSG

276 posts

111 months

Sunday 2nd September 2018
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Craikeybaby said:
The mk3 May be the most unloved, but I preferred the facelift model I had to the mk1 I ran for 6 years prior. It felt just as fun as the mk1, but was more refined.


If I was to buy, or recommend, a used MX-5 now it would be a mk3.5 2.0 SE. The 2.0 SE gets the bigger engine and LSD, but without the extra pointless bling. The fancy shocks on the Sport will likely need to be replaced at this age anyway.
Australian market limited edition?

GibsonSG

276 posts

111 months

Sunday 2nd September 2018
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I guess I have to declare my love for my Mk1 while I’m at it. Probably the mist enjoyable car I’ve ever had and now it’s my sidekick in my foray into motorsport.

I get why they have their detractors- I was one of them before I spent some time driving my brother in law’s Mk1 - but they seem to be more relevant than ever on today’s speed camera-infested roads.

I’m seriously considering an ND as my next daily.

arkenphel

484 posts

205 months

Sunday 2nd September 2018
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Patently not the answer if you are anywhere near 6ft like me and have long body shape like me. Shame as I always wanted to have one.

Contigo

3,113 posts

209 months

Sunday 2nd September 2018
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Yep still love the mk1/Eunos it's a great fun car which allows you to explore the limits without breaking the speed limits. Best selling roadster for that very reason. Still brings a smile to my face as much as the supercars.

I've got a mk1 and added a concourse NB with 9k miles to the garage too.







TXG399

134 posts

133 months

Sunday 2nd September 2018
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arkenphel said:
Patently not the answer if you are anywhere near 6ft like me and have long body shape like me. Shame as I always wanted to have one.
I'm 6 ft 4 and I love my Mk.1. Give one a go, you might be pleasantly surprised!

GranCab

2,902 posts

146 months

Sunday 2nd September 2018
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Designed and built for hairdressers ... most of whom are well under 6' tall .... wink

406dogvan

5,326 posts

265 months

Sunday 2nd September 2018
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TXG399 said:
I'm 6 ft 4 and I love my Mk.1. Give one a go, you might be pleasantly surprised!
I'm 6'5 and I cannot get into a Mk 1/2 - not just a driving issue, I couldn't even close the door once I'm in smile

It's all about leg space - I can't get my knees under the wheel and the door handle hits my leg (MK1 can't close door - MK2 can close it but couldn't drive)

People say it's better if you're longer in the body - but I'm already pretty close to staring at the windscreen rail so someone who was longer body over legs would be looking OVER the windscreen!?!? smile

It's not just MX5s - I can't get into the original Z3 either - or most TVRs - or any classic British Sportscar (tho anyone who comfortably fits into an MGBGT is a weird shape!!)

Going back pre adjustable steering, Montegos and Xantias were notable failures for me too - and a recent attempt to drive a J-Mini resulted in some hilarity amongst my colleagues ;0

Murph7355

37,714 posts

256 months

Monday 3rd September 2018
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Craikeybaby said:
The mk3 May be the most unloved, but I preferred the facelift model I had to the mk1 I ran for 6 years prior. It felt just as fun as the mk1, but was more refined. ...
Are they unloved? I saw one the other day and thought how good it looked - a proper evolution of the mk1.

Never liked the mk2, and the latest ones with the funny head and tail lights don't float my boat at all. But I thought the mk3 looked great and this article even got me looking at prices - until I realised it's the last thing I need right now biggrin Still, when murph7355 jr (who is 6) gets old enough to drive, I might nudge him down that path smile

406dogvan said:
I'm 6'5 and I cannot get into a Mk 1/2 - not just a driving issue, I couldn't even close the door once I'm in smile

It's all about leg space - I can't get my knees under the wheel and the door handle hits my leg (MK1 can't close door - MK2 can close it but couldn't drive)

People say it's better if you're longer in the body - but I'm already pretty close to staring at the windscreen rail so someone who was longer body over legs would be looking OVER the windscreen!?!? smile

It's not just MX5s - I can't get into the original Z3 either - or most TVRs - or any classic British Sportscar (tho anyone who comfortably fits into an MGBGT is a weird shape!!)

Going back pre adjustable steering, Montegos and Xantias were notable failures for me too - and a recent attempt to drive a J-Mini resulted in some hilarity amongst my colleagues ;0
I spent a lot of time in a mk1 when they first came out and am 6'4" and long legged. I guess small differences matter...but there was enough adjustment in the wheel and seat to make driving it a comfortable enough option (the car belonged to an ex). Unlike a 328...


Usget

5,426 posts

211 months

Monday 3rd September 2018
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Alex said:
one of the smartest ways to spend two grand on something fun these days is on a Mk2 MX-5
Are we absolutely sure about this? It's a fun way to spend £2k, sure, but the amount of hidden rust in these (from the inside out) doesn't scream "smart purchase" to me to be honest. I'd rather have an NA, where at least the rust is a bit more visible...

arkenphel

484 posts

205 months

Monday 3rd September 2018
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TXG399 said:
I'm 6 ft 4 and I love my Mk.1. Give one a go, you might be pleasantly surprised!
I would love to but even sitting in the showroom, I have to sit tilting my pelvis forward and my legs were akimbo. Got a bit achy after a few minutes. I wish I was a bit shorter.

defblade

7,434 posts

213 months

Monday 3rd September 2018
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6' 4" here, drove (and enjoyed) my wife's mk2 a lot. Would buy another (might, even, soon).

It might even come down to the spec of individual cars as much as body shape/proportions - for example, I find that some models of cars with manual seats and no sunroof are fine; add one or the other (electric seats often seem to be higher than manual even on the lowest setting, presumably due to the motors etc under them) and I'm oot.

xjay1337

15,966 posts

118 months

Monday 3rd September 2018
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Contigo said:
Yep still love the mk1/Eunos it's a great fun car which allows you to explore the limits without breaking the speed limits. Best selling roadster for that very reason. Still brings a smile to my face as much as the supercars.
Nick detailed the red one?

grudas

1,308 posts

168 months

Monday 3rd September 2018
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Do love my little S-Special! smile




Tight country lanes is where it feels at home!

TheJimi

24,986 posts

243 months

Monday 3rd September 2018
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It’s kinda concerning that, for an article (I enjoyed it, btw) written by an MX5 enthusiast, there’s no mention of chassis rail rust on the Mk2.

A cheap Mk2 has the potential to be anything but a “cheap” or “smart” buy, and you could easily see yourself staring at a bill equivalent of the purchase price to put right dodgy chassis rails & sills.


l354uge

2,895 posts

121 months

Monday 3rd September 2018
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arkenphel said:
Patently not the answer if you are anywhere near 6ft like me and have long body shape like me. Shame as I always wanted to have one.
I'm 6ft 2 and I fit in my NB fine. Gutting the seat foam and fitting a deep dish steering wheel helped too.

ECG1000

381 posts

142 months

Monday 3rd September 2018
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There's a lovely BBR turbo NC in the classifieds at the moment....wink wink, nudge nudge biggrin

Gemaeden

291 posts

115 months

Monday 3rd September 2018
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406dogvan said:
I'm 6'5 and I cannot get into a Mk 1/2 - not just a driving issue, I couldn't even close the door once I'm in smile

It's all about leg space - I can't get my knees under the wheel and the door handle hits my leg (MK1 can't close door - MK2 can close it but couldn't drive)

People say it's better if you're longer in the body - but I'm already pretty close to staring at the windscreen rail so someone who was longer body over legs would be looking OVER the windscreen!?!? smile

It's not just MX5s - I can't get into the original Z3 either - or most TVRs - or any classic British Sportscar (tho anyone who comfortably fits into an MGBGT is a weird shape!!)

Going back pre adjustable steering, Montegos and Xantias were notable failures for me too - and a recent attempt to drive a J-Mini resulted in some hilarity amongst my colleagues ;0
Have you tried an original Elan?

Contigo

3,113 posts

209 months

Tuesday 4th September 2018
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xjay1337 said:
Nick detailed the red one?
yes couple of years ago.