New Tvr - No Longer Under Wraps - Poll Time

[m4tti]

In a Michael Buffer championship announcement style voice “it’s poll time”.

The new tvr is no longer under wraps, we’ve all seen it, we’ve talked about it, we’ve pontificated. It’s time to measure strength of opinion from all TVR fans.

[900T-R]

None of the above. Like the look of the car, find nowt especially wrong with the front end but feel it's a bit big and angular (esp. glasshouse and rear end) for a TVR, less coherent and resolved overall (but no worse than what's out there with a similar configuration, i.e. AMG GT, Aston Vantage, front engined Ferraris).

For the non-partisan, everything will hinge on its dynamic prowess and driving experience. I hope Gordon Murray has got his sums right.

[TwinKam]

Likewise, none of the above. Poor/skewed poll options (no surprise there as it was set by a 'hater' ).
It's a bit like Brexit; a previous poll here was very close to a 50/50 split, but then you can't hope to please all the people all the time... strong opinions on both sides but, as ever, the naysayers shout louder, longer, and more repeatedly... however all voices have now been heard ad nauseam and it's just time to get on and do it and see how it turns out in reality...

[Griffithy]

I would really want to like it and wish TVR to succeed.
Sadly I hate it and think it´s a busted flush.

[Wacky Racer]

I think it looks fine, the "headlamp" thing has been blown out of all proportion. They would be fairly easy to change, PW did it with the revised Cerbera, which I thought looked much more modern.

Have any deposit owners asked for their deposits back SPECIFICALLY because of the front end?

[dvs_dave]

TwinKam said:

Likewise, none of the above. Poor/skewed poll options (no surprise there as it was set by a 'hater' ).
It's a bit like Brexit; a previous poll here was very close to a 50/50 split, but then you can't hope to please all the people all the time... strong opinions on both sides but, as ever, the naysayers shout louder, longer, and more repeatedly... however all voices have now been heard ad nauseam and it's just time to get on and do it and see how it turns out in reality...

Erm, it’s nothing like brexit. A 50/50 split on the looks of a new car is bad. It means half the people polled don’t like it. That’s nothing at all to be pleased about and unwise to ignore, especially as it’s dead easy to change at the current prototype stage. We’re not talking hyper critical F1 esque aero.....it’s a change to the shape of the inlet for the radiator and brake cooling ducts. Don’t kid yourself into thinking it’s anything more complex than that.

At least a 70/30 split in favor is what should be aimed for, and could be considered a success in this instance.

Edited by dvs_dave on Saturday 22 September 00:53

[swisstoni]

Needs an ‘I’ll make my mind up when I actually see one’ option.

[TwinKam]

dvs_dave said:

TwinKam said:

Likewise, none of the above. Poor/skewed poll options (no surprise there as it was set by a 'hater' ).
It's a bit like Brexit; a previous poll here was very close to a 50/50 split, but then you can't hope to please all the people all the time... strong opinions on both sides but, as ever, the naysayers shout louder, longer, and more repeatedly... however all voices have now been heard ad nauseam and it's just time to get on and do it and see how it turns out in reality...

Erm, it’s nothing like brexit. A 50/50 split on the looks of a new car is bad. It means half the people polled don’t like it. That’s nothing at all to be pleased about and unwise to ignore, especially as it’s dead easy to change at the current prototype stage. We’re not talking hyper critical F1 esque aero.....it’s a change to the shape of the inlet for the radiator and brake cooling ducts. Don’t kid yourself into thinking it’s anything more complex than that.

At least a 70/30 split in favor is what should be aimed for, and could be considered a success in this instance.

Edited by dvs_dave on Saturday 22 September 00:53

Erm... it was a joke

[Plan B]

I’m a loyal and committed TVR fan and owner and really want this car to be a success however I’m disappointed in what I’ve seen in the new Griffith. I’m sure the car is spot on in its engineering make up however I feel that a big piece of its success factor will be in the aesthetics of the car - like in all other successful TVRs. (as is the case in all other successful “supercar” brands). Personally I think the TVR team needs to draft in a creative car stylist to address what I think is an unadventurous (and perhaps slightly dated) front end and and tidy up other areas thereby producing some engineering beauty in the way Aston Martin and others seem to achieve. I’m loathed to do the new car down but it’s not too late to act on something as crucial as this. The survey above might be a bit crude however two thirds of this avid TVR audience is saying something needs to be done if the car is to be optimised for its target audience.

[dvs_dave]

TwinKam said:

dvs_dave said:

TwinKam said:

Likewise, none of the above. Poor/skewed poll options (no surprise there as it was set by a 'hater' ).
It's a bit like Brexit; a previous poll here was very close to a 50/50 split, but then you can't hope to please all the people all the time... strong opinions on both sides but, as ever, the naysayers shout louder, longer, and more repeatedly... however all voices have now been heard ad nauseam and it's just time to get on and do it and see how it turns out in reality...

Erm, it’s nothing like brexit. A 50/50 split on the looks of a new car is bad. It means half the people polled don’t like it. That’s nothing at all to be pleased about and unwise to ignore, especially as it’s dead easy to change at the current prototype stage. We’re not talking hyper critical F1 esque aero.....it’s a change to the shape of the inlet for the radiator and brake cooling ducts. Don’t kid yourself into thinking it’s anything more complex than that.

At least a 70/30 split in favor is what should be aimed for, and could be considered a success in this instance.

Edited by dvs_dave on Saturday 22 September 00:53

Erm... it was a joke

Erm....if you say so.....after you’ve been called out for talking bunkum

[Testarossa]

Wacky Racer said:

Have any deposit owners asked for their deposits back SPECIFICALLY because of the front end?

Not yet, but I will if it is not as dynamic as Les and Gordon suggest. It can only get away with being so so to drive if it looks outrageous or gorgeous and sadly it is neither.

The noise coming from Les is that it will be a supercar killer - as far as I'm concerned, if it isn't, I'm just going to walk away and will probably never support a british car brand again!

[TwinKam]

dvs_dave said:

TwinKam said:

dvs_dave said:

TwinKam said:

Likewise, none of the above. Poor/skewed poll options (no surprise there as it was set by a 'hater' ).
It's a bit like Brexit; a previous poll here was very close to a 50/50 split, but then you can't hope to please all the people all the time... strong opinions on both sides but, as ever, the naysayers shout louder, longer, and more repeatedly... however all voices have now been heard ad nauseam and it's just time to get on and do it and see how it turns out in reality...

Erm, it’s nothing like brexit. A 50/50 split on the looks of a new car is bad. It means half the people polled don’t like it. That’s nothing at all to be pleased about and unwise to ignore, especially as it’s dead easy to change at the current prototype stage. We’re not talking hyper critical F1 esque aero.....it’s a change to the shape of the inlet for the radiator and brake cooling ducts. Don’t kid yourself into thinking it’s anything more complex than that.

At least a 70/30 split in favor is what should be aimed for, and could be considered a success in this instance.

Edited by dvs_dave on Saturday 22 September 00:53

Erm... it was a joke

Erm....if you say so.....after you’ve been called out for talking bunkum

'Bit like Brexit':
Poor wording of options (some would say)
Close to 50:50 opinion split (from earlier PH poll).
"It won't sell looking like that" = Project Fear.
Same old voices, same old arguments ad nauseum ...well?
We'll have to wait and see/ only time will tell... unless you actually do have crystal balls?
Stir in a heathily cynical sense of humour and... oh never mind.

[dvs_dave]

TwinKam said:

'Bit like Brexit':
Poor wording of options (some would say)
Close to 50:50 opinion split (from earlier PH poll).
"It won't sell looking like that" = Project Fear.
Same old voices, same old arguments ad nauseum ...well?
We'll have to wait and see/ only time will tell... unless you actually do have crystal balls?
Stir in a heathily cynical sense of humour and... oh never mind.

Well this poll is shaking out even worse at 2/3 not in favor....but that that’s ok, it’s just the same old few voices and arguments....yeeaahhhh, ok. Sandpit for head burying is over there, the one with the TVR logos on it.

[Graham007]

Well the Poll is biased towards negative answers...!!!

[Testarossa]

I think it is more positively biased. The top 2 are saying you like the car, only one says you don't. I am totally in love with the Ferrari F40, love it, love it, love it, no car will ever come close to it - but I think it would have looked nicer with a different exhaust layout, so would have chosen the second option.

[Griffithy]

Graham007 said:

Well the Poll is biased towards negative answers...!!!

It seems we´ll need a new poll

But questions should not relate to the look of it.

[MDL111]

I have not seen one in the metal, but judging by pictures I find the interior and exterior underwhelming - esp. the front end.
Rear with spoiler retracted is nice though.

I wanted to put down a deposit as I have always loved TVR (nearly ordered a new Sagaris with a lot of man-math), but this so far has not convinced me. Combine that with the fact that it does not look like cars will be delivered in 2019 - from what I can gather - and by the time I actually see one or get to drive one, it will feel like the car has been around for ages - not sure that will help.

It will be cheap though if sterling continues to drop (of course I might no longer be able to register one in Germany without punitive import taxes then...).

I really hope they succeed even if I do not particularly like the first model - hopefully many more to come

[dvs_dave]

Graham007 said:

Well the Poll is biased towards negative answers...!!!

Even so, still only a minority chose positive. Even if another poll with an equal positive/negative weighting is created, I don’t think we’d see any better that 50/50, as has already been demonstrated. 50/50 is a bad result, no matter how you look at it.

[m4tti]

Graham007 said:

Well the Poll is biased towards negative answers...!!!

Not really. It has one full positive, one full negative and an on the fence almost neutral response which largely reflects current feeling towards it.

Of course that nuetral response could be interpreted either way, as testarossa mentions.

[C1RVY]

I've seen it in the flesh, and it's just not attractive. As my colleague who was with me at the launch stated - "its a rather ungainly looking thing "

Reminds me of early days of clumbsy looking wedges - before they got the designs resolved.