RE: Wales Rally GB maximum attack: Time For Coffee

RE: Wales Rally GB maximum attack: Time For Coffee

Monday 8th October 2018

Wales Rally GB maximum attack: Time For Coffee?

The weekend's British WRC round was filled with bonkers fast rally cars going sideways through Welsh forests. Here's proof



It's all too easy to don a pair of rose tinted spectacles and proclaim that rallying ain't what it once was. Yeah, Group B gets all the glory, what with it being the period of Audi Quattros, Lancia Deltas and Peugeot 205 T16s. But ask World Rally Championship drivers themselves and they'll tell you how today's cars, not those of the mid-80s, are the most impressive of them all.

The weekend's rallying in Wales provided perfect examples of how epically fast today's machines are. Five-time champ Sebastien Ogier (who appeared to get his mojo back following a conversation with PH last week... coincidence?) put his M-Sport Ford Fiesta RS WRC to good use by winning the UK round, reigniting his championship chances and placing him within seven points of series leader, Hyundai's Thierry Neuville, with two rounds remaining.


You didn't have to focus your attention on the Frenchman to see what a modern WRC car looks like at full chat. You could pretty much pick any of the top dozen drivers to observe a master at work on the mucky stuff - a challenging, mixed surface of mud, dirt and stones - in their infinitely clever centre differential-wielding WRC cars that, as Ogier put it last week, are "definitely the fastest rally cars ever produced".

Want reminding? Who doesn't? It never takes long for stage-side videos from the weekend's running to be collated to form explosive "maximum attack" videos, and the one we've found today does a great job of showing the world's fastest rally drivers going sideways at full chat. Get the kettle on and see for yourself...

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Pwig

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11,956 posts

271 months

Monday 8th October 2018
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But but but group B

Krikkit

26,551 posts

182 months

Monday 8th October 2018
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Who says WRC cars aren't sideways enough any more? Awesome. biggrin

Trophy Husband

3,924 posts

108 months

Monday 8th October 2018
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Came past my house on the transit from Gwydyr to Llandudno.

Tanak. My boys got a wave from the co-driver. They were chuffed!!

I collected the signs from the lane, all in the back of my truck.


jakeb

281 posts

195 months

Monday 8th October 2018
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Faster they may well be but they do just look, errr, a bit st..

And the press release on the WRC web site doesnt help

"...before Ogier fought back to regain the initiative in the penultimate speed test and win the four-day gravel road encounter by 10.6sec in a Ford Fiesta.

Latvala, driving a Toyota Yaris, finished 24.5sec ahead..."

Maybe they will sell more cars of the back of this (??), but I dont see any "want one of those" like you did with the Imprezas, Cosworths, Evos etc

I say it should be all be GT3's like they do in the fatherland

bloomen

6,934 posts

160 months

Monday 8th October 2018
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jakeb said:
And the press release on the WRC web site doesnt help

"...before Ogier fought back to regain the initiative in the penultimate speed test and win the four-day gravel road encounter by 10.6sec in a Ford Fiesta.

Latvala, driving a Toyota Yaris, finished 24.5sec ahead..."
And Group B had little more to offer than Peugeot 205s, Lancia Deltas and MG Metros.

kellydk

62 posts

160 months

Monday 8th October 2018
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I've always loved Rallying from watching the circuit of Ireland in the 80's with MK2 Escorts and Mantas through Group B and beyond. What frustrates me is the lack of coverage on the TV. Pay TV packages aside there is little coverage. Disappointing

re33

269 posts

165 months

Monday 8th October 2018
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Fantastic stuff. WRC is better than ever. It's just missing a "local" hero for British media. Kris Meeke didn't seem to count even when he was successful.

Group B cars were great but competition wasn't close at all. Group A was saved by Colin McRae and Richard burns. The Evos and Scoobies were good but 2 manufacturers doesn't make much of a series. First WRC cars were okay but very tame compared to new cars. Some people argue they should be based on family cars but the size of a fiesta now is already bigger than a 1999 focus.

DanielSan

18,818 posts

168 months

Monday 8th October 2018
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re33 said:
Fantastic stuff. WRC is better than ever. It's just missing a "local" hero for British media. Kris Meeke didn't seem to count even when he was successful.

Group B cars were great but competition wasn't close at all. Group A was saved by Colin McRae and Richard burns. The Evos and Scoobies were good but 2 manufacturers doesn't make much of a series. First WRC cars were okay but very tame compared to new cars. Some people argue they should be based on family cars but the size of a fiesta now is already bigger than a 1999 focus.
Except it wasn't just Evo's
and Impreza's there was also the Celica and Corrolla, Escort and Focus, 206 and 307. Seat Cordoba, Skoda Octavia and Hyundai Accent.

SlimJim16v

5,689 posts

144 months

Monday 8th October 2018
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bloomen said:
And Group B had little more to offer than Peugeot 205s, Lancia Deltas and MG Metros.
Which you could buy road versions of.

re33

269 posts

165 months

Monday 8th October 2018
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DanielSan said:
re33 said:
Fantastic stuff. WRC is better than ever. It's just missing a "local" hero for British media. Kris Meeke didn't seem to count even when he was successful.

Group B cars were great but competition wasn't close at all. Group A was saved by Colin McRae and Richard burns. The Evos and Scoobies were good but 2 manufacturers doesn't make much of a series. First WRC cars were okay but very tame compared to new cars. Some people argue they should be based on family cars but the size of a fiesta now is already bigger than a 1999 focus.
Except it wasn't just Evo's
and Impreza's there was also the Celica and Corrolla, Escort and Focus, 206 and 307. Seat Cordoba, Skoda Octavia and Hyundai Accent.
Okay, didn't mention Celica and Escort but those others are all WRC cars rather than Group A surely? 1997-2016 was "old " WRC cars according to Wikipedia.

Since WRC rules there has been no correlation between the rally cars and road cars. I mean during Group B unless you bought a one of the small number of "homologated" cars you got nothing close either.

I guess the argument could be at least the Evos and STIs looked like the rally cars but since 1997 (excluding group N but we will ignore that) that was a marketing decision by Subaru and Mitsubuishi and not a performance one.

Edited by re33 on Monday 8th October 15:40

edited for wrc years and spelling.

Edited by re33 on Monday 8th October 15:41

Oliver-2optb

29 posts

103 months

Monday 8th October 2018
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Fantastic footage. we were there at sweet l;amb just after the hairpin about 7km in and the speed carried around a blind bend with camber dropping away was awesome to watch.
And despite all the naysayers, these are awsome cars, and committed drivers.

usualdog

231 posts

164 months

Monday 8th October 2018
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The Mk2 Escort at 3:52 looks positively Jurassic, which in relative terms it is. Made me feel very old.

ArnageWRC

2,069 posts

160 months

Monday 8th October 2018
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re33 said:
Fantastic stuff. WRC is better than ever. It's just missing a "local" hero for British media. Kris Meeke didn't seem to count even when he was successful.
Unless Lewis Hamilton moved to WRC, the British media aren't really interested in other motorsports, and certainly not WRC.

Pwig

Original Poster:

11,956 posts

271 months

Monday 8th October 2018
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kellydk said:
I've always loved Rallying from watching the circuit of Ireland in the 80's with MK2 Escorts and Mantas through Group B and beyond. What frustrates me is the lack of coverage on the TV. Pay TV packages aside there is little coverage. Disappointing
Apart from the live coverage on channel 5, and highlights program on prime time TV.

Then there is the free to air red bull TV with live stages and highlights programs every day.

You then have BT Tv with highlights and live stages daily, free with BT internet.

Yep, never on TV

Sidney Smut

51 posts

79 months

Monday 8th October 2018
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bloomen said:
And Group B had little more to offer than Peugeot 205s, Lancia Deltas and MG Metros.
Either you are taking the pee or your knowledge of Group B is zero!!

Sidney Smut

51 posts

79 months

Monday 8th October 2018
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Pwig said:
Apart from the live coverage on channel 5, and highlights program on prime time TV.

Then there is the free to air red bull TV with live stages and highlights programs every day.

You then have BT Tv with highlights and live stages daily, free with BT internet.

Yep, never on TV
Thanks for letting us know where it is available...I don't have BT, so where can we find Red Bull?


ben5575

6,296 posts

222 months

Monday 8th October 2018
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Trophy Husband said:
Came past my house on the transit from Gwydyr to Llandudno.

Tanak. My boys got a wave from the co-driver. They were chuffed!!

I collected the signs from the lane, all in the back of my truck.

That photo sums up everything that is wrong with rallying at the moment.

I like cars, I'm posting on a car forum.

I have absolutely no idea what car that is.

DanielSan

18,818 posts

168 months

Monday 8th October 2018
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re33 said:
Okay, didn't mention Celica and Escort but those others are all WRC cars rather than Group A surely? 1997-2016 was "old " WRC cars according to Wikipedia.

Since WRC rules there has been no correlation between the rally cars and road cars. I mean during Group B unless you bought a one of the small number of "homologated" cars you got nothing close either.

I guess the argument could be at least the Evos and STIs looked like the rally cars but since 1997 (excluding group N but we will ignore that) that was a marketing decision by Subaru and Mitsubuishi and not a performance one.

Edited by re33 on Monday 8th October 15:40

edited for wrc years and spelling.

Edited by re33 on Monday 8th October 15:41
Misread your post slightly. Group A wasn't that short of entries though with Subaru Mitsubishi Toyota and Ford, it's the same amount of manufacturers we have now in the WRC.

I've only dipped in and out of WRC this last few years but since the new regs came in and VW left it's hard to put an argument forward that it isn't the most competitive it's been in a long time. Realistically any car has a very good chance of winning the event before the start, Citroen less so at the moment, but even the old WRC was rarely that close, it was always one or two cars that were in the running with the rest going for just points.

Anything is better than the domination bought on by either fella called Sebastien in the last 10 years or so.

Pwig

Original Poster:

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Monday 8th October 2018
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Sidney Smut said:
Thanks for letting us know where it is available...I don't have BT, so where can we find Red Bull?
https://www.redbull.com/int-en/tv/

Or use a smart TV, or get an amazon fire stick and it’s on there.

DanielSan

18,818 posts

168 months

Monday 8th October 2018
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Pwig said:
https://www.redbull.com/int-en/tv/

Or use a smart TV, or get an amazon fire stick and it’s on there.
Can download an app for phone and ps4 also, and I'm assuming Xbox.