RE: Caterham CSR 260: Spotted

RE: Caterham CSR 260: Spotted

Thursday 11th October 2018

Caterham CSR 260: Spotted

Fancy the last Cosworth-powered Seven ever made? Yep, us too



Curious car, the CSR. It was launched in 2005, and was billed as the first genuinely 'new' Seven in 48 years. Caterham had a proper swing at it, too. Bigger, stiffer, plusher, faster, better was the general idea, and, to all intents and purposes, the range-topper fulfilled its ambitious brief.

A significant period of development rendered a car larger than the Series 3 (it was based on the SV), one specifically re-engineered for enhanced torsional rigidity and with lift-mitigating aerodynamics. The Seven's cheerfully rudimentary suspension was replaced, too, double wishbones now featuring all-round, with pushrods linking coilover spring and damper units.

It was as trick as a magician's card deck, and Caterham reputedly worked its way through 36 possible settings for the front shocks to ensure it was perfect. Along with 89 for the rears. The result, according to Chris H while he still called Autocar home, was 'the best damping on UK roads of any sports car I have ever driven.'


High praise indeed. Its ability to levitate over British B roads was rounded out with a different breed of engine. Rather than pushing a K-Series motor further into the realms of improbability, Caterham had Cosworth breath on a much leggier 2.3-litre Ford Duratec unit until it produced 264hp at 7,200rpm. And 200lb ft of torque at 6,200rpm.

The latter figure, combined with the slightly less stressed character of the larger engine, made the CSR seriously fast, but also a mite less frenetic (if only for the fewer gear changes it demanded compared to its stablemates). Married to the suspension's unflappable level of control, that helped make it a ground coverer par excellence.

And because it was roomier and (optionally) ritzier than the stock models with an uprated dashboard, it was comfier, too. As a result, it seemed well placed to appeal to a customer that might not have previously considered a Seven among the three or four British-built two-seat prospects. Harris himself thought it was an "extraordinary vehicle, and one that will have a profound effect on the company."


Ten years later though, today's Spotted signalled the end of production without much fanfare. The fact that it hadn't propelled the firm into an entirely new orbit was lamentable - although understandable enough in hindsight. For a start, while the concept was impressively well conceived, it indubitably remained a Seven, and therefore retained many of the car's infamous limitations.

No impediment whatsoever to the established fanbase, but a marked disadvantage when compared to impermeable options like the Lotus Exige - newly launched in Series 2 format in 2004. Then there was the cost: fully £34,500 if you built it yourself; £37,000 if you got Caterham to do it for you. Enough for even the most ardent enthusiast to pause and consider whether or not one of the less sophisticated Sevens might not do the trick.

Of course, the combination of Cosworth mechanicals with Caterham running gear was easily persuasive enough for some, and even if it failed to properly crack the sports car-buying mainstream, a ten-year life cycle is obviously testament to the CSR's enduring appeal among aficionados. Certainly the last of its kind fits that billing, especially with just 2,635 miles on the clock. The asking price of history? £45,995. Oof.


SPECIFICATION - CATERHAM CSR 260

Engine: 2,261cc four-cylinder
Transmission: Six-speed manual, rear-wheel drive
Power (hp): 264@7,200rpm
Torque (lb ft): 200@6,200rpm
MPG: N/A
CO2: N/A
Year registered: 2005
Recorded miles: 2,635
Price new: £37,000
Price now: £45,995

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PaulD86

Original Poster:

1,661 posts

126 months

Thursday 11th October 2018
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A friend had one of these and I spent a few hours driving it. Never have I been in another car that rode so differently to how I had expected it to. One of the most complaint suspension setups I have experienced. Looks like it will be rough as hell, is actually Mercedes S Class smooth. It shifted too. I had wheel spin at just over 30 in 4th when I gave the throttle a good prod. And the noise it made - side exit exhaust beside your ears and an engine than pops and bangs plenty on the overrun certainly didn't make it a peaceful drive. Great fun though!

JerryF

283 posts

174 months

Thursday 11th October 2018
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Year registered is 2015 not 2005 as stipulated above.

Turbobanana

6,269 posts

201 months

Thursday 11th October 2018
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Love, but it's a bit monochrome isn't it? I'd want some colour in there somewhere.

anonymous-user

54 months

Thursday 11th October 2018
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I never understood why Caterham didn’t stick with this and went back to the S3?

sideways man

1,316 posts

137 months

Thursday 11th October 2018
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That’s going in my lottery win garage without a doubt.

Daveyraveygravey

2,026 posts

184 months

Thursday 11th October 2018
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Anyone who doesn't burn with desire to own one of these just should not be on Pistonheads.

rtz62

3,369 posts

155 months

Thursday 11th October 2018
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JerryF said:
Year registered is 2015 not 2005 as stipulated above.
To be a pedant about your pedantry re the year of registration, I don't think you mean stipulate (Oxford English Dictionary; "Demand or specify (a requirement), typically as part of an agreement.")
May I suggest 'suggested' or 'stated'..?

Joking aside, perhaps this is a Caterham aimed more at the likes of me;
early 50's, likes a bit of comfort (in Caterham terms), and not a 'driving god', more a guy who can pedal a car well at perhaps at 8/10ths of its abilities.
I'd never considered a Caterham before, just too impractical for me but this just may have changed my mind.
Anyhoo, off to tip the sofa upside down and see what £££ has collected down there over the years....

lee_erm

1,091 posts

193 months

Thursday 11th October 2018
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I wish Ford had used that particular engine in that state of tune in a hot hatch.

Simon Owen

805 posts

134 months

Thursday 11th October 2018
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After 16 years of 7 ownership ( S3 not CSR & sold purely to have something we could use 'more of the time' ) everything else seems a backward step in terms of pure driver enjoyment on the road. Following a tin top down the road in a 7 is quite shocking, the effortless nature of the way a well set up 7 goes, stops & changes direction is awesome !!

One day there will be another one in the garage :-)

Turbobanana

6,269 posts

201 months

Thursday 11th October 2018
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ash73 said:
That's crying out for some gold decals, just a hint of JPS.

Yup, works for me.

R400TVR

543 posts

162 months

Thursday 11th October 2018
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Surely the best Caterham ever made. Pity they never offered it with the engine from the Levante!

sidesauce

2,476 posts

218 months

Friday 12th October 2018
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Daveyraveygravey said:
Anyone who doesn't burn with desire to own one of these just should not be on Pistonheads.
Why? I don't like Caterhams, never have, never will - they're just not my 'thing'. I respect them for what they are, absolutely, but I will never desire to own any car of this type (BAC Mono, Caterham, Ariel Atom, KTM X-Bow etc etc) whatsoever.

smilo996

2,791 posts

170 months

Friday 12th October 2018
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What a little gem. Never seen one in black and really like it.
That interior too, so luxurious😃
Might be a bit too Bavarian after a while but hey.
Seems like a very well sorted car too. But 45k?

Plate spinner

17,698 posts

200 months

Friday 12th October 2018
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yonex said:
I never understood why Caterham didn’t stick with this and went back to the S3?
My guess is the customer base decided they wanted the S3.

Having owned a Caterham and met plenty of others in the club, I can see why. The average owner is not mega-minted, they are simply a driving enthusiast with enough spare coin for a fun / impractical toy and some spanners they sometimes like to use.
So whilst making it plush and even faster makes sense on paper and for press reviews, most can get 99% of the thrill with a much more basic, cheaper model. Also more fun to tinker / mod yourself when it's cheaper and basic.

I had an S3 165bhp k-series roadsport and really didn't need anything faster - for most punters using their car on road and occasional track days, this is plenty. I don't mind admitting I ran out of talent / bravery before the car ran out of power.

And to make it more habitable? Well, I never saw the point - it was a silly car for having fun on silly journeys and road trips.

If I wanted something more refined and more expensive, I think I would have been heading off to Lotus to see what they would sell me. In actual fact, I've now got an old Porsche Boxster for pretty much those reasons.

Anyway, all IMHO. Good luck to Caterham though, fantastic cars and a truly unique experience!

Simon Owen

805 posts

134 months

Friday 12th October 2018
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One of the joys of a S3 Caterham on the road is its size, combined with ballistic performance and stopping power you just have so many options on a typical B road compared to a normal car.

The CSR is fab and it is of course all relative but it does feel a lot bigger punting down a B road.

David.Ashley.Poole

2 posts

69 months

Monday 4th March 2019
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Hello,

I have a 2005 CSR 260 which I use (more or less) as my daily driver. It is pretty comfortable on 4-5 hour trips, which are the longest I have made so far. I am still experimenting with headphones (Bose QC 35 II) and industrial ear defenders with a Bluetooth and a mike, so I can connect to the SatNav and hear what it is saying... but it is quite the most amazing car I have ever driven, and puts a smile on my face - always. It is blisteringly fast and the Caterham six speed box (built in a T-9 casing) is wonderful if you like gear changing. The ratios are very close, so at any given legal speed you usually have three or four gears to choose from. I have changed the CWP to a 3.14, and third is good for over 100mph (theoretically (!)) with another three gears to go. You need to do yoga if you want to get in with the hood up, but when you are in it is more or less watertight. It is a bit noisy, but the sound of the engine as it approaches the 7500 rpm redline is quite stirring. Actually, that is something of an understatement. LOL.

David.

DoubleD

22,154 posts

108 months

Monday 4th March 2019
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That looks lovely David. I bet it puts a wide smile on your face.

Olivera

7,141 posts

239 months

Monday 4th March 2019
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David.Ashley.Poole said:
have changed the CWP to a 3.14, and third is good for over 100mph (theoretically (!)) with another three gears to go.
Lovely, lovely car, but why are you boasting about a 3.14 diff, you've utterly hosed the acceleration and geared it for silly speeds (160+?) in top.

Brian-wrfml

5 posts

20 months

Monday 8th August 2022
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Well here’s the owner of Y7CSR advertised on PH earlier this year.

Am I happy with the car? Holy crap yes.

I previously owned and tracked a sprightly Superlight R (K-series VHPD with roller barrels, so 200ish bhp), but always yearned for a CSR 260.

It really is the ‘ultimate’ Caterham.

Some drivers of S3 chassis mock the ‘grown up’ suspension, but if you’re a student of slip angles, you’ll find you can take every corner on a track that requires that critical sequence of brake, gear-selection and the throttle control way faster than any S3 chassis Caterham. The car just locks onto a predictable, feelable 6° or so of front slip, with around 8° of throttle controllable slip at the rear, on full throttle.

My track experience thus far (one session at Brands Indy) was positively mindblowing. Taking Sutrees absolutely flat in 4th (same as 6th in a 6-speed) before the very tricky right hand turn onto Clearways was a revelation.

And on the road, as Chris Harris reported, the car is unlike every other Caterham, but only in the best possible way.

An utterly unregrettable purchase, and easily the ‘Holy Grail’ of Caterhams. And probably, on any given B-road, the quickest.

The new 420 Cup has 10 click adjustable Bilstein dampers. My CSR has 35 click adjustable Bilstein dampers all round.

The new 420 Cup has 2 litres with 210bhp and 150 Nm torque. My CSR has 2.3 litres of Cosworth racing bhp and 200 Nm torque.

AP racing brakes, clutch and lightweight flywheel. Aero suspension, carbon Tillett seats, aeroscreen (which was a shocking experience driving to Le Mans, and required purchase of a full face helmet for the return journey).

I’m really very chuffed to own what I believe to be the very best of Caterham development to date, and like other contributors to this thread, can’t understand why it wasn’t a stepping stone.

Unless the cost of chassis/suspension/engine was just too much for rational upscaling….


braddo

10,478 posts

188 months

Monday 8th August 2022
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Nice to hear some detail of the dynamics from an owner. thumbup