RE: Porsche 992 GT3 - first look!

RE: Porsche 992 GT3 - first look!

Friday 12th October

Porsche 992 GT3 - first look!

We've ridden in the new Carrera; now a chance to see the nearly finished GT3 on the public road



The Porsche 911 GT3 will always be a hot topic on PH (no fire pun intended). Whether it's the availability of upcoming cars, the seemingly endless group test victories of the current iterations, or the values of previous heroes, the debate is always impassioned and involved. It's a car so much of us all have an interest in, so it stands to reason really.

We're back in the familiar realm of GT3 replacement angst at present - surely the next car can't match the thrills of what preceded it; no doubt it'll be too big, too heavy, too complex. This time, however, there are grave concerns, as big if not bigger than when the 991.1 was initially launched as PDK only. Because at this stage the rumour mill (based on reliable sources but unconfirmed by Porsche) says that the 992 generation will by turbo only. Erk. For a car with so much appeal in its powertrain, that would be a huge and not uncontroversial move.

Still, it's yet to be corroborated by anyone in an official capacity yet so let's look on the bright side for now. Or, more specifically, let's look at the latest spy pics because clearly they provide us with the comprehensive idea of what the next GT3 will look like.


Certainly even in this form there's no mistaking it for an ordinary Carrera, that incredible rear wing being the most obvious differentiator. The supports surely wouldn't have been out of place on a Cup car of not long ago, the spoiler itself as wide as that full-width rear light bar. Then a second kicked up spoiler beneath it, to be sure. The centre third brake light is more prominent than the regular Carrera, the tracks predictably wider and the twin-exhaust arrangement similar to today's GT3.

Elsewhere there's a cage just about visible through the glass, chunkier brakes, Cup 2 tyres, centre-lock wheels and more prominent front intakes. Everything you would expect see, basically, so make your own comments now about 911s always looking the same.

Given the 992 Carrera will be shown at the LA Motor Show, we'd expect the GT3 to follow pretty soon behind - although it's been suggested that the model won't actually go on sale till 2020. Turbos or not, history teaches us it'll probably be worth the wait.









[Images: S.Baldauf/S.B.Medien]

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DuncGTS

Original Poster:

91 posts

42 months

Friday 12th October
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That right now is pig ugly, but guess it will look different when finished

redroadster

795 posts

168 months

Friday 12th October
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Think it's awesome looking Inc wing .

sleepera6

4,500 posts

33 months

Friday 12th October
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What a mess.

thecremeegg

1,120 posts

139 months

Friday 12th October
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I hope that wing isn't final, they've got full Senna!

LaurasOtherHalf

14,076 posts

132 months

Friday 12th October
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Doesn't look like enough ventilation at the rear to be turbo.
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stuckmojo

1,936 posts

124 months

Friday 12th October
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Moving wing?

I guess we'll get used to the shape, but it looks tall and round, less menacing than a current GT3.

Iamnotkloot

219 posts

83 months

Friday 12th October
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LaurasOtherHalf said:
Doesn't look like enough ventilation at the rear to be turbo.
I agree. It could be significant, no gaping hole to feed turbos. Could it still be NA?

gigglebug

963 posts

58 months

Friday 12th October
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Iamnotkloot said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Doesn't look like enough ventilation at the rear to be turbo.
I agree. It could be significant, no gaping hole to feed turbos. Could it still be NA?
There looks to be area's where you might expect there to be intakes/exhausts covered up, the outer part of the front bumper for instance. There also appears to be an area at the outer edge of the rear light strip that looks like it could well be disguised as the moment as well. As for the wing it looks like they might well be following the recent trend of locating the wing from the top, as oppose to the bottom, but wouldn't this only be relevant to aerodynamics if the underside of the wing was freed up from the uprights as much as possible which doesn't appear to be the case here? Unless the final upright design isn't finalised yet either.

gofasterrosssco

1,090 posts

172 months

Friday 12th October
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Iamnotkloot said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Doesn't look like enough ventilation at the rear to be turbo.
I agree. It could be significant, no gaping hole to feed turbos. Could it still be NA?
There appears to be two large vents either side of the 3rd brake light, which would indicate a turbocharged engine.. Of course Porsche could just be f*cking with us hehe

gigglebug

963 posts

58 months

Friday 12th October
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gofasterrosssco said:
There appears to be two large vents either side of the 3rd brake light, which would indicate a turbocharged engine.. Of course Porsche could just be f*cking with us hehe
Good spot. Anything would look better than the intakes in the rear wings, never did like them!

Mackofthejungle

780 posts

131 months

Friday 12th October
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stuckmojo said:
I guess we'll get used to the shape, but it looks tall and round, less menacing than a current GT3.
I thought it looked all but identical - ie, too big and largely unattractive.

Apart from the standard carrera I don't think Porsche make a single thing of interest right now. The GT3 takes up the same amount of space as an XC60 for goodness sake. The plot has been entirely lost.

Aluxo

68 posts

7 months

Friday 12th October
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gigglebug said:
gofasterrosssco said:
There appears to be two large vents either side of the 3rd brake light, which would indicate a turbocharged engine.. Of course Porsche could just be f*cking with us hehe
Good spot. Anything would look better than the intakes in the rear wings, never did like them!
Those air intakes are already there on the current GT3. So not a telltale sign either way.
911 Turbos have generally had intakes in the wing behind the doors.

Nerdherder

339 posts

33 months

Friday 12th October
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Many might disagree, but I'd love to see them do a road version of the 935. This new GT3 does not do it for me visually. The current GT3 Touring Package is rather quite good (slightly less agressive front fascia would make it perfect).




Old Nick

48 posts

185 months

Friday 12th October
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Seems unlikely that anyone that hasn't bought all the right Porsches first in order and kissed the holy stones of Zuffenhausen will be able to buy one. I find myself less and less bothered

Edited by Old Nick on Friday 12th October 09:29

glm1977

183 posts

97 months

Friday 12th October
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are those gaps under the wing where it meets the upright supports...?

wonder if there is potential for active aero along the lines of Lambo's ALA - although that could potentially create a performance differentiation between the GT3 and GT3 touring

LaurasOtherHalf

14,076 posts

132 months

Friday 12th October
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gofasterrosssco said:
Iamnotkloot said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Doesn't look like enough ventilation at the rear to be turbo.
I agree. It could be significant, no gaping hole to feed turbos. Could it still be NA?
Sorry, to clarify my point....

Air induction isn’t what I was meaning rather air extraction.

When you look at the difference between any N/A and Turbo since the 997 all turbo motors (including the bog standard Carrera in turbo guise) has a huge amount of air extraction ducting especially around the rear bumper.

This car doesn’t appear to have it.

There appears to be two large vents either side of the 3rd brake light, which would indicate a turbocharged engine.. Of course Porsche could just be f*cking with us hehe

MDL111

2,987 posts

113 months

Friday 12th October
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I think I saw a video of this car recently and it sounded n/a

thegreenhell

4,870 posts

155 months

Friday 12th October
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MDL111 said:
I think I saw a video of this car recently and it sounded n/a
It certainly sounds NA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmRNQpusmIQ

Esceptico

1,519 posts

45 months

Friday 12th October
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When is a GT3 not a GT3 - when it has a turbo engine.

Problem for Porsche is that every new car has to be more powerful and faster than the previous version. Ability to extract more from the NA engine probably limited so turbo seems obvious solution. However, the last GT3 was many times too powerful to be able to use anything but a fraction of the power on the road and even on track if you want pure speed there are faster alternatives. Still I am sure they will sell everyone they make - which is not surprising as the demand outstrips supply (strangely I think a lot of the demand is driven by the expectation of making money on resale...which sort of becomes a self-fullfilling prophecy).

thegreenhell

4,870 posts

155 months

Friday 12th October
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Esceptico said:
When is a GT3 not a GT3 - when it has a turbo engine.

Problem for Porsche is that every new car has to be more powerful and faster than the previous version. Ability to extract more from the NA engine probably limited so turbo seems obvious solution. However, the last GT3 was many times too powerful to be able to use anything but a fraction of the power on the road and even on track if you want pure speed there are faster alternatives. Still I am sure they will sell everyone they make - which is not surprising as the demand outstrips supply (strangely I think a lot of the demand is driven by the expectation of making money on resale...which sort of becomes a self-fullfilling prophecy).
yes

A turbocharged GT3 is a GT2, so if you turbocharge the GT3 what do you do with the GT2 model? And what do you then do to fill the inevitable huge gap between the Carrera and GT3 Turbo?

Also, isn't the GT3 road car supposed to reflect the GT3/GTE racing car, which is currently still NA?