Avengers: Endgame
Discussion
SpudLink said:
Blackpuddin said:
I've seen plenty of Marvel movies, just none of the Avengers ones. We both enjoyed Endgame as a standalone movie. I felt it was at least half an hour too long and we've probably seen too many formulaic battle scenes in our time to get much enjoyment out of those in Endgame, but the 'unusual' characterisation of Thor was fun, Thanos was quietly philosophical for a baddie and the CGI of Hulk was amazing. He managed to display more emotion than the human actors, with the possible exception of Renner. Overall we both thought it was a good romp with some nicely nuanced humour.
Glad you liked it, although I am surprised. You really should watch Infinity War, in which Thanos really is the protagonist.
Finally got to see this last night.
A fitting end, but I think Infinity War was better.
I wouldn't say Endgame is overly long or anything but it did feel like they could have pinched an inch here and there time wise.
Things I didn't like....
>The Hulk character. Just seemed lame. Even the CGI looked lame.
>Beer gut Thor. Actually a good gag at the start, but seemed to spend most of the movie being a bit of a flannel.
>Killed off Black Widow. A great character.
Things I didn't care for....
>The huge fight scene. Suppose its a good bit of CGI porn to let the FX guys flex their silicon. But I'm pretty tired of it now.
>Captain Marvel. Just seems way too powerful, its all too easy for her.
>The "girl power" scene mid-fight. Even my wife cringed at that one. What exactly are they trying to do? Marvel is basically untouchable so why does she need an entourage or women to protect her? I know what message they're trying to push here, but honestly, guff like that does it a disservice! Just write strong characters for the actresses and let them own it.
Also...
The time travel plot device. I guess this is one of the only ways they could have made this work, but it opens so many cans of so many worms. They have to be so careful with it for it to make sense. Questions I have from it are:
1) is Loki now alive somewhere? He vanished with the Tesseract but presumably is existing in a new universe now?
2) Old Steve.... Cap went back to place the stones in their right places. But then he never came back. Then we see him on a bench as an old guy. Now, I thought their version of time travel precluded changing the past to alter your present/future as the latter now becomes your past. So should he have appeared in the same universe as them as an old guy?
3) is Gomorrah still alive? I assume she was snapped out of existence by Tony? OR.... is this the event (or is Nebula from the future) that is the catalyst that causes Gomorrah to go against Thanos as we see in Guardians 1. Not sure that makes sense actually.
4) how did everyone know when and where to turn up for the big fight?
Things I liked...
>Tony Stark as a Dad
>The section of the film where they go back in time and they're hovering around in scenes from the older films. Really liked Tony's interaction with his father.
>Despite the possible time-travel logic fail, I did really like that bit at the end with old man Steve. That was great and a good way for Evan's Captain America to end his story. Also, very cool that he was able to become worthy and wield Mjolnir. (Presumably, Thanos isn't worthy, but is just that strong that he can lift it?).
>Fitting send off for Tony as well. Glad he didn't go just fighting someone and instead was the one to save all. Downey Jr will be missed as Iron Man. He made that role his right off the bat in the first movie. Few of the others have been able to achieve the same IMO.
All told an enjoyable time. But not something I'll be in rush to watch a second time just yet.
A fitting end, but I think Infinity War was better.
I wouldn't say Endgame is overly long or anything but it did feel like they could have pinched an inch here and there time wise.
Things I didn't like....
>The Hulk character. Just seemed lame. Even the CGI looked lame.
>Beer gut Thor. Actually a good gag at the start, but seemed to spend most of the movie being a bit of a flannel.
>Killed off Black Widow. A great character.
Things I didn't care for....
>The huge fight scene. Suppose its a good bit of CGI porn to let the FX guys flex their silicon. But I'm pretty tired of it now.
>Captain Marvel. Just seems way too powerful, its all too easy for her.
>The "girl power" scene mid-fight. Even my wife cringed at that one. What exactly are they trying to do? Marvel is basically untouchable so why does she need an entourage or women to protect her? I know what message they're trying to push here, but honestly, guff like that does it a disservice! Just write strong characters for the actresses and let them own it.
Also...
The time travel plot device. I guess this is one of the only ways they could have made this work, but it opens so many cans of so many worms. They have to be so careful with it for it to make sense. Questions I have from it are:
1) is Loki now alive somewhere? He vanished with the Tesseract but presumably is existing in a new universe now?
2) Old Steve.... Cap went back to place the stones in their right places. But then he never came back. Then we see him on a bench as an old guy. Now, I thought their version of time travel precluded changing the past to alter your present/future as the latter now becomes your past. So should he have appeared in the same universe as them as an old guy?
3) is Gomorrah still alive? I assume she was snapped out of existence by Tony? OR.... is this the event (or is Nebula from the future) that is the catalyst that causes Gomorrah to go against Thanos as we see in Guardians 1. Not sure that makes sense actually.
4) how did everyone know when and where to turn up for the big fight?
Things I liked...
>Tony Stark as a Dad
>The section of the film where they go back in time and they're hovering around in scenes from the older films. Really liked Tony's interaction with his father.
>Despite the possible time-travel logic fail, I did really like that bit at the end with old man Steve. That was great and a good way for Evan's Captain America to end his story. Also, very cool that he was able to become worthy and wield Mjolnir. (Presumably, Thanos isn't worthy, but is just that strong that he can lift it?).
>Fitting send off for Tony as well. Glad he didn't go just fighting someone and instead was the one to save all. Downey Jr will be missed as Iron Man. He made that role his right off the bat in the first movie. Few of the others have been able to achieve the same IMO.
All told an enjoyable time. But not something I'll be in rush to watch a second time just yet.
Long haired YouTube scientist tries to explain Endgame time travel...
https://youtu.be/R47UM8ShioY
I struggled to follow it, but that’s because I’m dense.
https://youtu.be/R47UM8ShioY
I struggled to follow it, but that’s because I’m dense.
Sway said:
Old Cap has been confirmed to have lived in an alternate timeline - so he must have gained some extra Pym particles to be able to "return" to the original timeline to hand over...
They all knew where/when to be there due to Dr Strange...
Yeah, Cap for a period had all the stones, so he could steal a tonne of PP when he liked.They all knew where/when to be there due to Dr Strange...
Otispunkmeyer said:
>Captain Marvel. Just seems way too powerful, its all too easy for her.
1) is Loki now alive somewhere? He vanished with the Tesseract but presumably is existing in a new universe now?
3) is Gomorrah still alive? I assume she was snapped out of existence by Tony? OR.... is this the event (or is Nebula from the future) that is the catalyst that causes Gomorrah to go against Thanos as we see in Guardians 1. Not sure that makes sense actually.
4) how did everyone know when and where to turn up for the big fight?
Not that there is real science to any of this but as I saw it...1) is Loki now alive somewhere? He vanished with the Tesseract but presumably is existing in a new universe now?
3) is Gomorrah still alive? I assume she was snapped out of existence by Tony? OR.... is this the event (or is Nebula from the future) that is the catalyst that causes Gomorrah to go against Thanos as we see in Guardians 1. Not sure that makes sense actually.
4) how did everyone know when and where to turn up for the big fight?
CM was conveniently out for most of the movie otherwise stuff could have been done a lot easier, it was awesome when she did arrive though
Loki is alive I believe on another timeline he has created, I think I remember some comments on YT about this somewhere
Gamorrah is alive, she had turned against Thanos before the battle as she was siding with good Nebula before that. So the snap by Tony would not have removed her (she had already defended Quill at this point and tried to stop bad Nebula taking the gauntlet) - also Gamorrah is on the screen at the end that Quill is looking at as if he is looking for her
Spiderman said he got all dusty then next thing he knew Dr Strange was asking them to go with him, given Strange had forseen this outcome he knew when and where to assemble all the heroes
For me the great bits of the movie are the acknowledgments to all the other movies and pulling so many plots/themes together. Simple stuff like prior to the big fight at the end simply saying 'on your left' or 'you are taking all the stupid with you' reminds you of the myriad of films we have watched to get to this point. And of course the iron man hammer sound at the end.
Edited by coldel on Monday 13th May 23:07
Some interesting possibles that could have been.
A Wanda reality twist, HOuse of M style.
Emergency Awesome Published on 12 May 2019
Avengers Endgame Deleted Scenes and Alternate Ending Breakdown
https://youtu.be/Ouqx6AjEQm8
A Wanda reality twist, HOuse of M style.
Emergency Awesome Published on 12 May 2019
Avengers Endgame Deleted Scenes and Alternate Ending Breakdown
https://youtu.be/Ouqx6AjEQm8
I've clearly missed a few movies since the last avengers, there were loads of people in this one who I had no idea who they were. WTF was a woman doing zooming around on a flying horse at the end, also the blonde glowing human kinetic impact missile was frankly a bit rubbish.
Overall it was an enjoyable watch, a bit much whingeing and moping and superhero 'science' and a disappointing lack of hulk action but otherwise ok. I still rate the original avengers movie as the best of them, in fact the best of all the marvel movies.
Overall it was an enjoyable watch, a bit much whingeing and moping and superhero 'science' and a disappointing lack of hulk action but otherwise ok. I still rate the original avengers movie as the best of them, in fact the best of all the marvel movies.
TurboHatchback said:
I've clearly missed a few movies since the last avengers, there were loads of people in this one who I had no idea who they were. WTF was a woman doing zooming around on a flying horse at the end, also the blonde glowing human kinetic impact missile was frankly a bit rubbish.
Overall it was an enjoyable watch, a bit much whingeing and moping and superhero 'science' and a disappointing lack of hulk action but otherwise ok. I still rate the original avengers movie as the best of them, in fact the best of all the marvel movies.
Woman on flying horse was Valkyrie from Thor: RagnarokOverall it was an enjoyable watch, a bit much whingeing and moping and superhero 'science' and a disappointing lack of hulk action but otherwise ok. I still rate the original avengers movie as the best of them, in fact the best of all the marvel movies.
The other woman was Captain Marvel, her film literally cam out a few months ago and was plastered all over the place.
Guvernator said:
It won't stand up as a stand alone movie because it isn't a standalone movie, it's the second half of a two part movie.
It will literally be like walking in halfway through a normal movie and trying to work out what's going on but enough people have told you this already. It's your money and 3 hours you'll be wasting.
Can I ask why you've chosen the final film of a two parter or indeed of a 22 film arc to jump into the Marvel Movies?
Well I've seen 10 or so of the Avengers movies (surprised me there was 22 of them, and surprised I'd seen so many too!), but crucially not Infinity Wars. However, there was more than enough signposted in that for it to be very watchable still. I guess there were a couple of moments I was left thinking WTF? but I'm sure I'll pick this up at some point when I watch some of the others.It will literally be like walking in halfway through a normal movie and trying to work out what's going on but enough people have told you this already. It's your money and 3 hours you'll be wasting.
Can I ask why you've chosen the final film of a two parter or indeed of a 22 film arc to jump into the Marvel Movies?
coldel said:
Otispunkmeyer said:
4) how did everyone know when and where to turn up for the big fight?
Spiderman said he got all dusty then next thing he knew Dr Strange was asking them to go with him, given Strange had forseen this outcome he knew when and where to assemble all the heroesHe obviously forgot to call in on The Defenders and Frank Castle.
nice
GQ Published on 7 May 2019
The Russo Brothers Break Down the Biggest Marvel Moments *ENDGAME SPOILERS* | GQ
https://youtu.be/encBEratiak
GQ Published on 7 May 2019
The Russo Brothers Break Down the Biggest Marvel Moments *ENDGAME SPOILERS* | GQ
https://youtu.be/encBEratiak
EvoDelta said:
coldel said:
Otispunkmeyer said:
4) how did everyone know when and where to turn up for the big fight?
Spiderman said he got all dusty then next thing he knew Dr Strange was asking them to go with him, given Strange had forseen this outcome he knew when and where to assemble all the heroesHe obviously forgot to call in on The Defenders and Frank Castle.
Halb said:
nice
GQ Published on 7 May 2019
The Russo Brothers Break Down the Biggest Marvel Moments *ENDGAME SPOILERS* | GQ
https://youtu.be/encBEratiak
Interesting. But that pair are a GQ Published on 7 May 2019
The Russo Brothers Break Down the Biggest Marvel Moments *ENDGAME SPOILERS* | GQ
https://youtu.be/encBEratiak
s hair away from disappearing up their own arse James Cameron style. You've done exceptional work boys, but maybe quit while you are ahead.
Scabutz said:
Interesting. But that pair are a s hair away from disappearing up their own arse James Cameron style.
You've done exceptional work boys, but maybe quit while you are ahead.
And yet the interviews with the writers aren't getting nearly as much press (presumably because they don't generate juicy headlines) but have been fantastic. Kevin Smith has a 2hr 20min interview with the writers on his podcast which add so much to the enjoyment of the film. s hair away from disappearing up their own arse James Cameron style. You've done exceptional work boys, but maybe quit while you are ahead.
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