RE: Mystery Mercedes-AMG GT raises prospect of six-pot

RE: Mystery Mercedes-AMG GT raises prospect of six-pot

Thursday 1st November 2018

Mystery Mercedes-AMG GT raises prospect of six-pot

A development car for the upcoming facelift has re-ignited rumours about a six-cylinder version



The Mercedes-AMG GT could be about to get a whole lot more attainable thanks to the addition of a new, entry-level model that trades its V8 for six-cylinder power. Rumours of such a model have been around for some time, with sources claiming a hybrid inline six version to slot into AMG's 53 line-up was likely. New images of a test car running with a quad tailpipe exhaust system have resurrected the claims, although - as ever - determining exactly what's under the bonnet is not as easy as the internet thinks it is.

If the pictured test car - seen alongside a V8 version of the 2019 facelift - were to be using the 48v electrified inline six powerplant from AMG's 53 line-up, it'd have to place the electric bit (a starter generator) between the engine and gearbox. But in the GT, the engine and gearbox live at opposite ends of the car, rather than squeezed up against each other like in the CLS 53. Where would the mild hybrid setup fit into this? With Mercedes remaining tight-lipped, your guess is as good as ours.


This technical conundrum means a pure combustion engine version might actually be more plausible, and it'd certainly align the new entry-level GT more closely with the V6-engine Audi R8 that's due out next year. Even without the 22hp and 184lb ft provided by the 53's electric shove, the six produces a healthy 435hp and 384 lb ft, which is just 41hp and 59lb ft shy of the blown 4.0-litre V8 in today's entry-level GT, remember. If that doesn't fit the bill of a new base model, we don't know what does.

Then again, it'd be hard to completely ignore the rumours that have long predicted the arrival of a petrol-electric AMG GT. A pure combustion engine version might also leave the GT stranded too far below its intended remit, where as an electrically assisted one would offer performance more comparable (or even superior to) the current V8, with the added bonus of lower fuel consumption and emissions. And you don't need us to tell you how seriously manufacturer's take the latter.

We'll have to wait until the AMG GT facelift becomes official to know for sure, although you can take it as read that the new powerplant will be joined by the new infotainment setup (obvs) that's pinched from the C-Class. That means there'll be no widescreen dash, as first seen in the S-Class, but something a little more subtle. As for other changes, we wouldn't expect anything substantial; the last aesthetic update brought little more than a new front grille.



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sidesauce

Original Poster:

2,476 posts

218 months

Thursday 1st November 2018
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I think it would make sense for Mercedes to do and smaller version as many countries have punitive taxes based on engine capacity. If we in the UK get this car, having the choice can only be a good thing...!

Complex

514 posts

175 months

Thursday 1st November 2018
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No real downside . As with the F-Type, just more choice and an opportunity for the same chassis with a more usable amount of power and no doubt MPG in the 30s not off the table.

Shiv_P

2,747 posts

105 months

Thursday 1st November 2018
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Diluting their sports car IMO. Like Jag diluted the F type with that 4 banger

Onehp

1,617 posts

283 months

Thursday 1st November 2018
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I already preferred (theoretically mind) the lighter base version with the purely mechanical lsd diff. Likewise this new 6-in-line seems like a gem and with a proper exhaust should be quite a sweet steer. Hopefully bit lighter again too. I would also like it with a manual, but that's probably asking too much. Maybe the new Supra will be a better bet for my general preferences after all...

RacerMike

4,205 posts

211 months

Thursday 1st November 2018
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Got to be honest.....I'm struggling to understand what about that picture suggests it's a V6 Hybrid. The level of speculation/lack of understanding of spy shots recently seems to be going through the roof on here.

For info, if it was a hybrid it would need to have yellow stickers in the windows to identify it has a HV system on board. All proving grounds require this.

Nerdherder

1,773 posts

97 months

Thursday 1st November 2018
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sidesauce said:
I think it would make sense for Mercedes to do and smaller version as many countries have punitive taxes based on engine capacity.
Indeed.

Onehp said:
.... this new 6-in-line seems like a gem and with a proper exhaust should be quite a sweet steer. Hopefully bit lighter again too.
Indeed.

However:
RacerMike said:
The level of speculation/lack of understanding of spy shots recently seems to be going through the roof on here.

Mafffew

2,149 posts

111 months

Thursday 1st November 2018
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I don't see the problem.

The GT is aimed squarely at the 911 and similar...Why wouldn't they give their customers alternatives when so many of their competitors already do it, and reap the considerable benefits.

The GT-R will still remain top of the tree, much like the GT3 does with 911s. It will be no worse off as a result.

kambites

67,568 posts

221 months

Thursday 1st November 2018
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RacerMike said:
Got to be honest.....I'm struggling to understand what about that picture suggests it's a V6 Hybrid.
It certainly wont be a V6; if it's a six-pot it'll be an inline-6.

I do agree though, this does seem very speculative based on not very much.

Triumph Man

8,691 posts

168 months

Thursday 1st November 2018
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Shiv_P said:
Diluting their sports car IMO. Like Jag diluted the F type with that 4 banger
I would argue otherwise, the straight 6 is a very gentlemanly and classical engine configuration, and I don't think it will be worse for it. I agree with your comment about the F type's 4 cylinder though.

cossey

149 posts

189 months

Thursday 1st November 2018
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RacerMike said:
Got to be honest.....I'm struggling to understand what about that picture suggests it's a V6 Hybrid. The level of speculation/lack of understanding of spy shots recently seems to be going through the roof on here.

For info, if it was a hybrid it would need to have yellow stickers in the windows to identify it has a HV system on board. All proving grounds require this.
53 engine is 48V mild hybrid not high voltage so no sticker?

Nerdherder

1,773 posts

97 months

Thursday 1st November 2018
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anonymous said:
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Purchasing tax on a car is high here in NL, bsed on engine capacity and emission level:
Cayman GTS base fee €107.300
911 base fee €121.900

The price difference is not big enough yet to plump the 4 cylinder in the 911 to my idea.


Triumph Man

8,691 posts

168 months

Thursday 1st November 2018
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Nerdherder said:
anonymous said:
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Purchasing tax on a car is high here in NL, bsed on engine capacity and emission level:
Cayman GTS base fee €107.300
911 base fee €121.900

The price difference is not big enough yet to plump the 4 cylinder in the 911 to my idea.
They could call it the 912!!!!!

donteatpeople

831 posts

274 months

Thursday 1st November 2018
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cossey said:
RacerMike said:
Got to be honest.....I'm struggling to understand what about that picture suggests it's a V6 Hybrid. The level of speculation/lack of understanding of spy shots recently seems to be going through the roof on here.

For info, if it was a hybrid it would need to have yellow stickers in the windows to identify it has a HV system on board. All proving grounds require this.
53 engine is 48V mild hybrid not high voltage so no sticker?
Another option is that the pictures were taken in a public road/area where you wouldn't need to play by proving ground rules anyway.

RacerMike

4,205 posts

211 months

Thursday 1st November 2018
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donteatpeople said:
cossey said:
RacerMike said:
Got to be honest.....I'm struggling to understand what about that picture suggests it's a V6 Hybrid. The level of speculation/lack of understanding of spy shots recently seems to be going through the roof on here.

For info, if it was a hybrid it would need to have yellow stickers in the windows to identify it has a HV system on board. All proving grounds require this.
53 engine is 48V mild hybrid not high voltage so no sticker?
Another option is that the pictures were taken in a public road/area where you wouldn't need to play by proving ground rules anyway.
Looks like the Nurburgring test centre to me, and I Pool requires stickers too. Either way, even Mercs own rules for test cars would need a hybrid/EV sticker too.

The 48V comment is possible, but generally most proving grounds would still want it identified as there is still some risk of electric shock. Certainly more than there is for a 12v system.

More likely this is literally just the facelift bumpers and new exhaust filter to comply with WLTP being tested. The number of tail pipes couldn't be less relevant. It's an entirely stylistic choice these days, and I don't believe Merc identify their products via tail pipe design. The A45 has 4 square tailpipes for example....the same as an E63...

Onehp

1,617 posts

283 months

Thursday 1st November 2018
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anonymous said:
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It is turbocharged but:
- not so much, i.e. engine torque is not entirely dependant on boost
- short route water cooled IC
- with the 48V system follows an electrically driven supercharger that basically removes any throttle lag
- AMG know how to make a turbocharged engine sound very good and almost like an NA

All together, this sounds like a potentially very nice combo...

greghm

440 posts

101 months

Thursday 1st November 2018
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yuck

Onehp

1,617 posts

283 months

Thursday 1st November 2018
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anonymous said:
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Do, or do not?

akashzimzimma

182 posts

77 months

Thursday 1st November 2018
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RacerMike said:
Got to be honest.....I'm struggling to understand what about that picture suggests it's a V6 Hybrid. The level of speculation/lack of understanding of spy shots recently seems to be going through the roof on here.

For info, if it was a hybrid it would need to have yellow stickers in the windows to identify it has a HV system on board. All proving grounds require this.
Not a V6 hybrid, the new In - Line 6 as used in all 53 AMG models. The round exhaust tips are a clue.

BFleming

3,606 posts

143 months

Friday 2nd November 2018
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A few publications from Germany have commented that the round exhaust tips denote a non-V8 motor. They say it'll be a 3.0 straight six with a turbocharger and mild hybrid assistance, and could will effectively replace the 4.0 V8 as the entry level model. So 362bhp (AMG GT 43) or 429bhp (AMG GT 55), with more power to follow.

Onehp

1,617 posts

283 months

Friday 2nd November 2018
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Besides a long lens, at least in this kind of application, hearing the car once will be enough for an expert to know at least the cylinder count in this prototype. Which is almost everybody hanging about there. So more than just the visual exhaust tips. Of course we don't know the market plans, and those that do cannot confirm it, only perhaps hint at it. Anyhow some speculation is good fun, don't take it too seriously...