RE: Mini Cooper S JCW (R56): Spotted

RE: Mini Cooper S JCW (R56): Spotted

Tuesday 13th November 2018

Mini Cooper S JCW (R56): Spotted

Everyone knows supercharged Minis cheap, but don't forget the turbo ones are getting there as well...



While the automotive world is still trying to wrap its collective head around the idea that the original 'new Mini' is now swiftly approaching its 18th birthday, the second generation version - or R56, if you know Minis - has rather passed unnoticed. It was first introduced in 2006, and given how rapidly the automotive landscape has move since then, there's probably something quite endearing about the Mini generation that seems somewhat forgotten about.

Think of it this way: it's going to be more grown up and liveable than an original R53 Mini, while also way better looking, lighter and sharper to drive than the current car. A JCW like this car has more power (211hp) than a new Fiesta ST, Polo GTI or Renaultsport Clio, with reviews from a few years back describing it as having "eager, tenacious, rough-and-tumble, scruff-of-the-neck charm." How often are new cars criticised, even the supposedly feisty hot hatches, for being a bit meek and forgettable? Here is a car built less than a decade ago that's brimming with up-and-at-'em energy that any small car, current Minis included, will struggle to match.


Ah yes, you're going to say: "but that's the Mini with the Prince engine and its dodgy timing chain tensioners". And you'd be absolutely right, because it is. However, this particular R56 JCW is special for having its timing chain and tensioner replaced - sadly there isn't any more information on where this was done or when, but addressing probably this generation's most significant flaw must be a plus point.

But then you might also say: "Eight grand for a 2009 Mini? That's madness; I could have a Fiesta ST for that money!" Again, you'd be right, because £8,180 buys this 2014 Fiesta ST with 45,000 miles on it. That said, Minis are renowned for their tough residuals, retaining money when many less prestigious cars might not. The very cheapest JCW of any kind on PH currently is £6.5k, for example. The hope therefore being that their rarity and desirability will mean you get more of that £8k back when you come to sell. The Fiesta ST, great car though it is, will surely only continue to get cheaper.

This particular car appeals too because, in the myriad of Mini options, it's come out looking quite good. Oh sure, the lemon cheesecake interior inserts won't be to all tastes, but the Challenge wheels, black stripes on off-white paint and red calipers look pretty smart from here. Certainly it's very easy to imagine worse specifications out there.


Don't forget, either, that if this isn't for you as standard, then there are going to be all manner of modifying options out there too. It could be made into a track car, a show car or whatever else you desire given the scope of new Mini modifying. This engine once held a record for the highest specific output in a production motor, too, before the Peugeot RCZ R made 270hp from just 1,598cc - so if you're feeling brave...

Bear in mind, finally, that there are half a dozen Mini GP2s for sale on PH - with which this car shares a decent amount - at twice the price and its case looks a lot stronger. The fast Mini is never going to be for everyone, but then neither should it be dismissed out of hand by enthusiasts either. As the brand appears to cater more and more for the lifestyle side of things, don't be surprised to find these impish hot hatches become ever more in demand.


SPECIFICATION - MINI COOPER S JCW (R56)

Engine: 1,598cc, 4-cyl turbo
Transmission: 6-speed manual, front-wheel drive
Power (hp): 211@6,000rpm
Torque (lb ft): 206@1,950rpm
MPG: 40.9
CO2: 164g/km
First registered: 2009
Recorded mileage: 68,000
Price new: £20,995 (2008)
Yours for: £7,999

See the original advert here.

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skidskid

Original Poster:

284 posts

142 months

Tuesday 13th November 2018
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I picked up an R56 JCW a couple of weeks ago and its great! I paid similar money for a 50K miles car in all black with all options ticked and it feels worth the price even though its an old car.

Its fast enough, makes all the right noises with the sport button pressed and is really fun to drive. Its feels like it wants to be driven for a laugh and actually handles quite well. My VX220 is a great car but its very serious and demands your full concentration, the mini feels like its eager and egging you on to enjoy it all the time.

You need to find one with the right service history because of the issues mentioned (mine came from a Mini dealer so has a good warranty and mini assist for a year) but other than that my only issue is playing music from your phone through the stereo is a pain.

Edited by skidskid on Tuesday 13th November 08:33

M3_Simon_Fr

49 posts

85 months

Tuesday 13th November 2018
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This is the only car I got new, and also the only car I had so many problems with:

- Tensioner (of course)
- Complete replacement of the sunroof
- "Lost" engine mount
- Gearbox issues

I was lucky though: didn't need to replace the HP pump (but my father had to, in his R56).

In one word: wonderful to drive, crappy to own.

M3_Simon_Fr

49 posts

85 months

Tuesday 13th November 2018
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Oh and the stereo was absolutely awful too, even after fitting Focal speakers all round.

McFarnsworth

284 posts

150 months

Tuesday 13th November 2018
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I'd go for a late R53 every single time.
They also have their issues, but none quite as severe as the R56
They're also more fun to drive and have more character.

AmosMoses

4,042 posts

166 months

Tuesday 13th November 2018
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Friend of a friend has one of these, £6k deep in repairs for the 5 years he has had it...

I really like them, but the engine is never praised for reliability!

Brainpox

4,057 posts

152 months

Tuesday 13th November 2018
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I got a GP2 a fortnight ago and it's brilliant, don't miss my previous car (M2) one bit. You don't need to go to GP level to get a great car but no rear seats is pretty fun.

skidskid said:
other than that my only issue is playing music from your phone through the stereo is a pain.
You've probably sorted your problem but if anyone else is wondering you can fix it with one of these: https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01KZR6S6W/ref...

Helpfully there's a USB port right next to the aux port so you can leave it permanently plugged in (I use the 12V socket if I need to plug a phone in as well).

Triumph Man

8,708 posts

169 months

Tuesday 13th November 2018
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My god the engines have a thirst for oil. My girlfriend has a Countryman Cooper S, and we were told by the specialist that it's rate of consumption is perfectly normal (~800 miles/litre), and that they all do it. I wouldn't mind so much, but the dipstick would be more use if it were made of chocolate, and has to be read hot (and how do you define how hot) and there is no low oil warning sensor. Apart from that it's fairly quick, so I imagine the smaller minis are really quite rapid

Jon_S_Rally

3,424 posts

89 months

Tuesday 13th November 2018
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These have never really appealed to me to be honest. I liked the R53, the supercharger gave it a unique character, while the turbocharged engine in this made it a bit more generic, while the looks a bit less resolved. While the Fiesta ST might depreciate quicker, I'd still struggle to take the Mini over one.

Mr-B

3,787 posts

195 months

Tuesday 13th November 2018
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"Think of it this way: it's going to be more grown up and liveable than an original R53 Mini, while also way better looking......."

Way better looking? No chance. Specsavers have a booking slot available. Every gen since the first have got uglier and uglier, this is no exception.

jonm01

817 posts

238 months

Tuesday 13th November 2018
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I had one of these when they were new, i really liked it but the tensioner issue was always at the back of your mind, like the Porsche bore scoring/RM issues, which does spoil the enjoyment.

I remember taking it in to MINI to report the rattling top end at start up and they just dismissed it with "oh, it's something you read on the internet"

I think that's what made me sell it..

skidskid

Original Poster:

284 posts

142 months

Tuesday 13th November 2018
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AmosMoses said:
Friend of a friend has one of these, £6k deep in repairs for the 5 years he has had it...

I really like them, but the engine is never praised for reliability!
You have to buy on condition and history rather than price. Check all the known faults very well, which isnt hard as they are all well documented on various forums, and its possible to get a good one. There is the potential for a money pit if you buy badly, but get a good one and it shouldnt be too bad.

I'll make sure I remember I've posted this if it ever sts itself rofl

Edited by skidskid on Tuesday 13th November 09:55

athol

325 posts

211 months

Tuesday 13th November 2018
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If you're that worried about the tensioners, you can pick one of these up at a main dealer and therefore get an extendable factory warranty with it.

This one is near me, for example, and i reckon can be bought for £9750. Yes, that's more money given the r56 I owned has both the tensioners replaced and a full clutch/flywheel as well as an aircon unit during my ownership, it's got to be worth it for the piece of mind. Extending the warranty is about £600 a year after the first year.

https://approvedusedminis.co.uk/vehicle/2018102417...

That's what I'd be doing. Buying from a small used dealership is not where to go with one of these little rockets.

I'm on my 5th Mini now, bought the first one in 2002, first of the Cooper S. It was rubbish. Bought another in 2004 and it was much better.

Now on an F56 Works Challenge 210 which is far better than all the ones that went before. All this chitter about the earlier ones handling better is dubious too IMHO. The Challenge is fantastic and much better than the R56 that went before it. More compliant ride doesn't necessarily equate to less good handling.

JLC25

572 posts

123 months

Tuesday 13th November 2018
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Worth looking for the later R56 with revisions - will be more expensive but what price is peace of mind? Even if the timing chain seems fine the engine coke up easy anyway.

Regardless, maybe a bit better as a daily than the R53 - yes it's better looking and has a supercharger, but fuel consumption is dreadful, tax is huge and a lot of them are rusting away/suffering from bad oil leaks now.

Al U

2,313 posts

132 months

Tuesday 13th November 2018
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I wouldn't take one of these if it was given to me, genuinely.

We got rid of my wife's one around this time last year and I couldn't wait to see the back of it. Ours was on optional 18" wheels, all of which cracked in the few years we had the car and required replacing. Various interior speakers failed. Engine oil consumption was high and needed frequent checking and topping up. Rattles from everywhere in the interior. Eventually the oil pump failed and it was nothing but luck that the engine wasn't lunched as it failed literally as my wife got home one day.

Mike1990

964 posts

132 months

Tuesday 13th November 2018
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I think these look fantastic in JCW guise, I’am still surprised at how well the last of line 13/63’ plates are holding up price wise. Does desirable options and spec make a big difference?

Ruffo

6 posts

66 months

Tuesday 13th November 2018
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Already had 6 owners?!

Effjay

327 posts

174 months

Tuesday 13th November 2018
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The N18 introduced in the 2010 Cooper S facelift models (later in the JCW - 2012 maybe?) solved most of the issues associated with the earlier N14 engine, which was pretty unreliable by all accounts. It also brought a bit more power for the Cooper S aswell.

I've just bought an N18 engine'd Cooper S and I absolutely love the thing, great fun to drive. Feels like a premium product on the inside too with the nav, Harman Kardon etc.

It replaced a 5.0 XKR as a temporary little toy whilst I buy a new house etc... Not sure I can see the Mini going anywhere though even when the time comes for another 'proper' car.




m88ony

337 posts

102 months

Tuesday 13th November 2018
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Had my 2012 R56 JCW for 3 years now and it's been bullet proof. Haven't had any of the speaker issues, rattles and reliability issues as mentioned above.

Just look out for one with a full service history.

It does drink oil but that is common across the full R56 range. Compared to its competition the premium build quality makes it a class leader for that time. Just enough power, good steering feedback once I had the geometry looked at, random pops on the over run and strong brakes make it a nice hot hatch for the money it commands today.

The standard run flats do make the ride annoyingly hard but again that's common across the full R56 range. Will look to a non run flat in the future.

bobbo89

5,234 posts

146 months

Tuesday 13th November 2018
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Nope, had one for less than 6 months and decided to cut my losses and flog it to a WBAC company.

Electronic steering rack went
Cam chain tensioner developed death rattle
Drank oil at a rate of 1l per 1k miles

Wish i'd done more research before buying but at the time I needed a car quickly and I really fancied one, shame as despite the above it was a nice car.

WCZ

10,545 posts

195 months

Tuesday 13th November 2018
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jcw or a tuned one is a must imo, the standard s feels really slow for some reason