RE: TVR production likely delayed by factory setback

RE: TVR production likely delayed by factory setback

Monday 3rd December

TVR production likely delayed by factory setback

Revitalized firm is part owned by the Welsh government. Guess which bit the strings are attached to...



An oversight in the way that EU regulations are applied has been blamed for delays in the refurbishment of TVR's Ebbw Vale production facility. Deliveries of the first batch of 500 new Griffiths were supposed to begin in the new year, however the blunder seems to have led to significant delays, potentially pushing the car's arrival back to next summer or even beyond.

Wales receives more EU funding than virtually any other part of the United Kingdom, and with the Welsh government having purchased a three per cent stake in the sports car manufacturer - as well as provided it with a £2,000,000 loan - TVR has been left exposed to additional EU regulations surrounding state funding of private companies.

One such rule stipulates that the contract to renovate its dilapidated Ebbw Vale factory must be put out to tender across the entirety of the EU, a process which Autocar reckons won't be complete until January at the earliest. The technicality seems to have caught TVR by surprise and, should that timeframe prove correct, would make timely deliveries of its new 500hp supercar virtually impossible.

A possibility remains that some work could begin in another facility on the site - which requires less updating - as soon as March. Although Edgar also revealed that only 75 per cent of the parts for the Griffith have so far been sourced, meaning that even if the factory were ready today, TVR may still not be set to begin production just yet...

 

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Roono

Original Poster:

40 posts

95 months

Monday 3rd December
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They probably have to use the joys of OJEU tendering.

https://www.ojeu.eu/whatistheojeu.aspx

RacerMike

2,070 posts

147 months

Monday 3rd December
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If only 75% of the components have been sourced, they're miles away from a saleable car anyway. Even if all 100% of it was sourced, they'd need a minimum of 18 months to develop the car into something that works properly, and given the complete lack of their presence at any industry development locations, I'd suggest they haven't even started development yet.

I look forward to their return, but it's possible the owners are starting to realise that it's a long old road from concept to production these days.

Fetchez la vache

5,094 posts

150 months

Monday 3rd December
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Lets hope that gopping front is amongst the 25% of parts they're yet to source then...
Plenty of time to find another.

Cold

5,666 posts

26 months

Monday 3rd December
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Strange they're having factory problems. Can't they just construct a crude frame then glue the outer walls on?

Earthdweller

838 posts

62 months

Monday 3rd December
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I believe there’s an empty factory in Blackpool !
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J4CKO

25,723 posts

136 months

Monday 3rd December
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Its amazing, fast SUV comes out and its moan moan moan, convertible SUV largely aimed at ladies arrives, moan moan moan. Ev comes out that does 0-60 in under two seconds, that will never do !

A new car by the brand that is the very foundation of PistonHeads is on the horizon with a big V8, manual gearbox, RWD, all the basic ingredients and its more moaning with a dash of added scepticism and a bit of what seems like thinly veiled vitriol, which seems a bit weird.

Am sure they will get it to market, it may take a bit longer but lets perhaps get behind them ?








wab172uk

1,115 posts

163 months

Monday 3rd December
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Load of bks

Bet Germany or France would just ignore the ruling, allow internal tendering and get it built.

Delayed factory, delayed parts sourcing, and delayed production = annoyed customers.

In todays fickle world of `must have the latest toy` some of those customers will demand their deposits back, and purchase something else..

It's got the makings of another doomed British built cottage industry car maker. If it does get off the ground, someone must remind them to keep the same car design for the next 30 years.

Oilchange

5,181 posts

196 months

Monday 3rd December
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J4CKO said:
Its amazing, fast SUV comes out and its moan moan moan, convertible SUV largely aimed at ladies arrives, moan moan moan. Ev comes out that does 0-60 in under two seconds, that will never do !

A new car by the brand that is the very foundation of PistonHeads is on the horizon with a big V8, manual gearbox, RWD, all the basic ingredients and its more moaning with a dash of added scepticism and a bit of what seems like thinly veiled vitriol, which seems a bit weird.

Am sure they will get it to market, it may take a bit longer but lets perhaps get behind them ?



Here, here!

HorneyMX5

4,283 posts

86 months

Monday 3rd December
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Cold said:
Strange they're having factory problems. Can't they just construct a crude frame then glue the outer walls on?
Have a clap and a laugh

Post of the day.

biggles330d

119 posts

86 months

Monday 3rd December
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European State Aid rules aren't exactly something new, they've been around for years as part of being in the EU. The same rules that are there to make sure that various nations around the EU can't just prop up their homegrown industries with a bung of local taxpayers money but have to give the whole market the opportunity to bid for and win work in a fair and competitive manner to get the best value from taxpayers money.

Strikes me as a bit of a weird one for the Welsh Government not to have got their heads around this. Fair enough that TVR might not be as familiar as it generally doesn't apply when a private company is making its own investments, only when government/public money is being invested in things.

From what I've heard of the Welsh Government though I shouldn't be surprised. Competence isn't a word naturally associated with them.

VEX

4,230 posts

182 months

Monday 3rd December
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Earthdweller said:
I believe there’s an empty factory in Blackpool !
Unfortunately there isnt.

Its a Gym, an IceRink and a pile of rubble to park on, to name a few of the things currently there.

V.

Ekona

1,542 posts

138 months

Monday 3rd December
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TVR, having issues with getting things built?

Surely not.

E31Shrew

5,824 posts

128 months

Monday 3rd December
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Probably be quicker to leave it until March 29th next year...

GranCab

1,267 posts

82 months

Monday 3rd December
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Deliveries in 2020 at the earliest is my guess ... if ever.

The only thing TVR will make next year will be press releases.

MDifficult

464 posts

121 months

Monday 3rd December
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On the plus side, the delay in the arrival of the new TVR also surely means a delay in the global financial downturn and subsequent bursting of the sports-car bubble that will inevitably coincide with the launch. laugh




Earthdweller

838 posts

62 months

Monday 3rd December
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VEX said:
Earthdweller said:
I believe there’s an empty factory in Blackpool !
Unfortunately there isnt.

Its a Gym, an IceRink and a pile of rubble to park on, to name a few of the things currently there.

V.
I know ., I was joking smile

But they should have gone back to the fylde . At least the god awful welsh govt wouldn’t have Ballsed it up

smilo996

1,449 posts

106 months

Monday 3rd December
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All the EU’s fault seems like a very lame excuse.
If Wales receives so much funding from the EU then it is entirely their fault.
Shame for TVR because thiswill invite the usual moaning about it never be oming a reality.

If there are still a lot of parts to be sourced then this is as likely to cause the delay anyway.
Well first time that he has built a car and with a new team, it is not going to be plain sailing.

Took Tesla 10 years to build their own car.

Ares

7,491 posts

56 months

Monday 3rd December
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Really hope this isn't the first toll of a death knell for TVR.

I'm quite sure TVR owners/order-placers are prepared for hiccups along the ownership journey....but before the car, or even the factory is even built is a little concerning.

shalmaneser

3,462 posts

131 months

Monday 3rd December
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J4CKO said:
Its amazing, fast SUV comes out and its moan moan moan, convertible SUV largely aimed at ladies arrives, moan moan moan. Ev comes out that does 0-60 in under two seconds, that will never do !

A new car by the brand that is the very foundation of PistonHeads is on the horizon with a big V8, manual gearbox, RWD, all the basic ingredients and its more moaning with a dash of added scepticism and a bit of what seems like thinly veiled vitriol, which seems a bit weird.

Am sure they will get it to market, it may take a bit longer but lets perhaps get behind them ?
Yeah but the Venn diagram of those people has very little overlap.

Don't think of PH as a single entity!

clarkey

1,168 posts

220 months

Monday 3rd December
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I would write the tender document in Welsh and insist on Welsh language replies, that would discourage responses from the rest of Europe and is entirely legal.