Wife has been done for 50 in a 30....

[paulrockliffe]

Graveworm said:

Thanks makes sense, just still smacks of unfairness in terms of punishment and deterrent.

Why? Surely if you earn £100 and week a fine of £100 has much more impact, is a stronger punishment and more of a deterrent than if you earn £100,000 a week.

My natural instinct is to agree with you, but as soon as I think about it it makes a lot of sense.

[Graveworm]

paulrockliffe said:

Why? Surely if you earn £100 and week a fine of £100 has much more impact, is a stronger punishment and more of a deterrent than if you earn £100,000 a week.

My natural instinct is to agree with you, but as soon as I think about it it makes a lot of sense.

Exactly but if you earn 100,000 you only pay 1000 or 2500 on a motorway if you earn 100 you pay 120. I think there has be some limit but way higher than the current cap. Maybe the same 1.5x etc of wages but up to the same maximum of 2.5k OR the market value of the car they were driving whichever is the higher.

[Red 4]

JimSuperSix said:

Nobody has dragged out the old "if the speedo was reading 50 she was probably doing at least 55" yet? What's going on PH? That's almost double the speed limit, where are all the usual righteous anger posters??

I'm disappointed with this thread.

Nobody will say it because it isn't true.

Speedometers over-read which is the opposite of what you are saying.

The OP's wife drives an i3 though, don't forget.
For the uninitiated the i3 has managed to harness the power of a Saturn rocket and condense it into a lithium battery powered small hatchback.

[Graveworm]

Pothole said:

Graveworm said:

I was saying the opposite. In the same way bus lanes have pretty much become for buses, taxis, cycles and the well off.

Huh?

If you are willing to pay (Or get your secretary to pay) £35-65 a pop, you can drive with aplomb down bus lanes since they became subject to PCNs. On my old commute, I would watch the same group of cars do exactly that every morning.

Edited by Graveworm on Thursday 13th December 19:39

[agtlaw]

watchnut said:

Did they not give you the chance to plead guilty, pay the fine, take the points then?

Or have you opted to contest, to go to court hence delay?

If only recently received the NOP then as far as I understand they have not complied with the NOP guidelines and you may have case dismissed (but I may be wrong)

It isn’t a contested case. Court proceedings have commenced because 50/30 is too fast for a fixed penalty. Proceedings must be issued within 6 months of the index offence. Btw, it’s a NIP (or NOIP) rather than a NOP.

[anonymous-user]

Graveworm said:

Pothole said:

Graveworm said:

I was saying the opposite. In the same way bus lanes have pretty much become for buses, taxis, cycles and the well off.

Huh?

If you are willing to pay (Or get your secretary to pay) £35-65 a pop, you can drive with aplomb down bus lanes since they became subject to PCNs. On my old commute, I would watch the same group of cars do exactly that every morning.

Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 13th December 19:39

Sure you would.

In all honesty, you do spout an absolute pile of steaming horsest.

Did your school finish early for Xmas?

[Graveworm]

REALIST123 said:

Sure you would.

In all honesty, you do spout an absolute pile of steaming horsest.

Did your school finish early for Xmas?

Thanks for the feedback. Not sure I understand why you don't agree or believe me. Are you saying this doesn't happen? Use an FOI to find out how many cars have had over 100 bus lane penalties in London the answer may surprise you.

Edited by Graveworm on Friday 14th December 09:33

[Pothole]

Graveworm said:

Thanks for the feedback. Not sure I understand why you don't agree or believe me. Are you saying this doesn't happen? Use an FOI to find out how many cars have had over 100 bus lane penalties in London the answer may surprise you.

Edited by Graveworm on Friday 14th December 09:33

If you've done it already, stop being a nob and share the information. FOIA requests which are merely repeating a previous request are even more of waste of time than most new ones.

[Graveworm]

Pothole said:

If you've done it already, stop being a nob and share the information. FOIA requests which are merely repeating a previous request are even more of waste of time than most new ones.

I haven't done it, I would post it if I had. Not sure if that makes me a "Nob" or even a knob.
I happen to know because I asked the question as to why they weren't enforcing the section of that road (A3025) in passing of someone at TFL - based on what I saw most mornings. They got back to me to say, they do but some are effectively happy to pay several times a week and it was worse on other roads.
It's got little to do with this topic it came because I made an analogy to show that flat or small fines are not a deterrent for all. Being pistonheads I then had to explain what I meant, then I was called a liar by one poster. I tried to give them a way to find out if I was lying, if they were interested. Then I was called a nob, ironically by someone who doesn't know what the word means.

[Chr1sch]

watchnut said:

Hi OP,

if the offence happened in June, when did she get the notice of intended prosecution? (NOP)

that normally has to be received within 2 weeks.

Did they not give you the chance to plead guilty, pay the fine, take the points then?

Or have you opted to contest, to go to court hence delay?

If only recently received the NOP then as far as I understand they have not complied with the NOP guidelines and you may have case dismissed (but I may be wrong)

The fact she was doing 50 in a 30 is neither here or there, she was speeding . It is likely she often speeding, but this time got caught, maybe take it on the chin, and keep below the limits so will not have to worry about being "caught". None of us like to be caught, but we can hardly complain when we are. This is not a dig at your wife, but just be grateful it was not you....you would never here the end of it!!

let us know what the result is

good luck to her, one can never second guess a magistrates court

Thanks for the considered response mate,

In answer to your question, she got a letter almost instantly (literally 48hrs later) notifying her that she will be prosecuted.

She then received the letter to go to court or just plead guilty and submit reasoning/plead for leniency etc etc only last week.

Lets see what happens, I simply asked the question to try and gauge what people thought the punishment might be.

[Chr1sch]

Red 4 said:

JimSuperSix said:

Nobody has dragged out the old "if the speedo was reading 50 she was probably doing at least 55" yet? What's going on PH? That's almost double the speed limit, where are all the usual righteous anger posters??

I'm disappointed with this thread.

Nobody will say it because it isn't true.

Speedometers over-read which is the opposite of what you are saying.

The OP's wife drives an i3 though, don't forget.
For the uninitiated the i3 has managed to harness the power of a Saturn rocket and condense it into a lithium battery powered small hatchback.

oh pipe down, i was merely implying it was easily done, its not as fast as many sports cars, but it is undeniably potent once up and rolling (until around 80)...for example, according to Evo magazine.... from 50mph to 74.5mph (120km/h) in just 4.9 seconds - only 0.6 seconds slower than the DCT-equipped BMW M4)

[popeyewhite]

Red 4 said:

For the uninitiated the i3 has managed to harness the power of a Saturn rocket and condense it into a lithium battery powered small hatchback.

Actually some lithium batteries generate a lot of power, albeit for a short time. Some are quite dangerous, so your rocket analogy is blunderingly accurate.

[Red 4]

Chr1sch said:

oh pipe down, i was merely implying it was easily done, its not as fast as many sports cars, but it is undeniably potent once up and rolling (until around 80)...for example, according to Evo magazine.... from 50mph to 74.5mph (120km/h) in just 4.9 seconds - only 0.6 seconds slower than the DCT-equipped BMW M4)

I disagree.

50 in a 30 is not a momentary lapse. Added to the fact your wife was already in a 30 MPH limit and appears to have been speeding up (too early) for the 60 MPH limit - unless, of course, she happily blatted through the 30 limit with carefree abandon.

It is irrelevant what the performance figures of the car are.

I suspect the Mags will think the same.

Edited by Red 4 on Friday 14th December 13:23

[Pothole]

Chr1sch said:

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Lets see what happens, I simply asked the question to try and gauge what people thought the punishment might be.

I'm genuinely interested as to why. Lots of people post this kind of thing and I honestly don't really understand. Is there something you would do differently if you thought the punishment was one way or the other or is it just curiosity?

[popeyewhite]

Pothole said:

I'm genuinely interested as to why. Lots of people post this kind of thing

A huge shock I know but you'll find they are normal people who are concerned about the outcome of some minor infraction. You and Red 4 should go and post your Christmas cards, or something.

[Pothole]

popeyewhite said:

A huge shock I know but you'll find they are normal people who are concerned about the outcome of some minor infraction. You and Red 4 should go and post your Christmas cards, or something.

I don't remember asking you.

[popeyewhite]

Pothole said:

I don't remember asking you.

Yawn.

[Red 4]

popeyewhite said:

A huge shock I know but you'll find they are normal people who are concerned about the outcome of some minor infraction. You and Red 4 should go and post your Christmas cards, or something.

Well, it's a fair point - but do you think Pistonheads is the best place for the answers ?

Sentencing guidelines for most things are available online if you choose to look (rather than asking a bunch of randoms on a car forum).

As for the Christmas cards. Humbug.

I much prefer reading the lame excuses on here ... Electric car in mitigation ?
That's a cracker.
I wouldn't mention it.

Edited by Red 4 on Friday 14th December 16:07

[Chr1sch]

Red 4 said:

popeyewhite said:

A huge shock I know but you'll find they are normal people who are concerned about the outcome of some minor infraction. You and Red 4 should go and post your Christmas cards, or something.

Well, it's a fair point - but do you think Pistonheads is the best place for the answers ?

Sentencing guidelines for most things are available online if you choose to look (rather than asking a bunch of randoms on a car forum).

As for the Christmas cards. Humbug.

I much prefer reading the lame excuses on here ... Electric car in mitigation ?
That's a cracker.
I wouldn't mention it.

Edited by Red 4 on Friday 14th December 16:07

Gents I wasn't asking for legal advice, or someone to sign in blood as to the final bill. However, as a website full of 1000's of petrolheads, who lets face it, mostly probably enjoy a spirited drive, are statistically quite likely to have been caught at some point.

Sadly I am not a multi millionaire and i would like to at least get a sense of whether im looking at footing a bill for 100's or 1000's....one has to budget you know.

[Chr1sch]

Red 4 said:

popeyewhite said:

A huge shock I know but you'll find they are normal people who are concerned about the outcome of some minor infraction. You and Red 4 should go and post your Christmas cards, or something.

I much prefer reading the lame excuses on here ... Electric car in mitigation ?
That's a cracker.
I wouldn't mention it.

Edited by Red 4 on Friday 14th December 16:07

Jesus wept, i didnt say nor would we put electric car as a mitigating circumstance, just as something as a petrol head i have observed how comically quick it is in real-world situations such as this. (i.e. in my Golf it would have dropped 2 gears and made lots of noise to do the same, where as the i3, with no drama at all, just goes off like a stabbed rat)