RE: MG 3 racing car under development

RE: MG 3 racing car under development

Friday 14th December 2018

MG 3 racing car under development

MG's passed the responsibility of stripping and modding a 3 for track use to its interns...



Let's be frank, MG's presence in motorsport far outweighs its significance in the UK new car market. This is a company that celebrated the sale of 4,446 cars in Britain in six months earlier this year - a figure the Ford Fiesta sells in a fortnight - yet it fields cars in the BTCC, has teased the idea of a WRC return and has a racing championship dedicated exclusively to its models, called the MG Cup. Now, it's adding a new model to the series' ranks by developing a competition version of the 3 hatchback.

We like the sound of this because, well, racing cars are cool. And this one should be cheap. Developed with the MG Car Club for the MG Cup racing series, the cost to put a racing 3 on the grid is intended to be no more than £5,000. MG says it'll also be far cheaper to run than its classic competition models, like the Metro, which also compete in the low-cost MG Cup, and it should be ready to hit the track ahead of next year's season.


With no MG manufacturing in the UK anymore, the firm's turned to its interns - seriously - to carry out the development work. Presumably (and hopefully) these are engineering interns, rather than those focused on marketing or catering. Although the work being carried out shouldn't be too taxing, because MG Cup regulations restrict modifications to the fitment of Gaz springs and a freer breathing Scorpion exhaust system. There are also bucket seats and a roll cage in the stripped interior, obviously, but the oily bits remain unchanged.

That leaves the car with a naturally aspirated 1.5-litre four-cylinder engine and five-speed manual gearbox, a pairing that is - compared to the far more modern stuff in the 3's hatchback competitors - a bit rudimentary. Still, the simplicity of this setup should at least make maintenance fairly easy. And they power a decent base chassis, because the 3 is actually a pretty good handling car in road trim.


Could this signal more motor racing for MG? Adam Sloman of the MG Car Club sounds like he'd be up for supporting it. He said: "Motorsport is a huge part of MG and the Club's heritage, and we are very much invested in bringing new cars, drivers and young competitors to our grids in the future." Heck, the presence of more MG competition models might even encourage a few more road car sales...

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dunnoreally

Original Poster:

964 posts

108 months

Thursday 13th December 2018
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Their motorsport programme doesn't change the sorry state of the MG brand. As Rich Porter put it once "they don’t make sports cars anymore. They make grey hatchbacks."

I really wish the Nanjing Automobile Group would just give the dross they sell here whatever its proper Chinese badge is and let MG die. It's suffered enough. That'd probably lose them the very few sales they have here, though.

rallycross

12,793 posts

237 months

Thursday 13th December 2018
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Considering these are virtually un-salable and just sat on dealer forecourts without anyone even opening the doors maybe this is one way to get rid of a few of them - a one make race series for a car no one wants to buy and even less people want to race!

I'd rather have an MG metro FFS (yes the crappy old one with 4 whiny gears and a thirst for oil than one of these).

Edited by rallycross on Thursday 13th December 19:18

kambites

67,574 posts

221 months

Thursday 13th December 2018
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dunnoreally said:
Their motorsport programme doesn't change the sorry state of the MG brand. As Rich Porter put it once "they don’t make sports cars anymore. They make grey hatchbacks."

I really wish the Nanjing Automobile Group would just give the dross they sell here whatever its proper Chinese badge is and let MG die. It's suffered enough. That'd probably lose them the very few sales they have here, though.
They don't use the MG brand to sell cars here, they use it to sell cars in China where a European brand (any European brand) carries distinct cachet.

To be fair, 99% of the people who dismiss the modern cars have almost certainly never driven one. They have, if not class leading, at least class-competitive dynamics which gives them a USP of sorts amongst the buget brands.

HorneyMX5

5,309 posts

150 months

Thursday 13th December 2018
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A guy local to me Sprints and hill climbs his MG3 and seems to have great fun doing it. MGs are a staple of grass roots motorsports with MGFs, TFs, ZRs, ZSs, Midgets, Bs and Cs always out competing.

davepoth

29,395 posts

199 months

Friday 14th December 2018
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dunnoreally said:
Their motorsport programme doesn't change the sorry state of the MG brand. As Rich Porter put it once "they don’t make sports cars anymore. They make grey hatchbacks."

I really wish the Nanjing Automobile Group would just give the dross they sell here whatever its proper Chinese badge is and let MG die. It's suffered enough. That'd probably lose them the very few sales they have here, though.






There's an argument to say that the sports cars have been a sideline to the manufacture of grey hatchbacks for quite a while.

Frankly I'm pleasantly surprised that Nanjing are putting in this much effort. Evidently they feel that keeping a British identity for MG is important to them, no matter how piddly the operation happens to be.

That said, the cars they're making are coming on fast, and I think they'll be class competitive within a decade - in that respect putting a few blokes in a shed with an angle grinder seems like a sensible investment.

dunnoreally

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964 posts

108 months

Friday 14th December 2018
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davepoth said:
Evidently they feel that keeping a British identity for MG is important to them,
I'm not really buying it. If they cared about British identity, they wouldn't have closed Longbridge. Union jack decals on everything they sell here isn't caring, it's cynicism. Perhaps their choice of workforce for this project shows they're starting to think they could do more with the brand, but it could easily be just as cynical. Interns are cheap.

I take your point about the sideline in grey hatchbacks, but all the Z-cars, Metros, Magnettes etc etc were somewhat sported up versions of the base models. Even the least sporty stuff (like an automatic ZT diesel, say) was always sharing a range with more driver-focused variants and some kind of roadster. This is no longer the case.

I'll put it this way: suppose that Porsche went into new ownership and, within years, the Boxster, Cayman and 911 were all gone and Porsche now exclusively did SUVs and the Panamera. I'll wager lots of people would be annoyed, and no race series would change that. Isn't this pretty much MG's situation as per today?


...I care a bit about this. Can you tell?

Rumblestripe

2,939 posts

162 months

Friday 14th December 2018
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Perhaps if they ran this series as a destruction derby I might be interested.

Saw one the other day on the road, only noticed it because I was stuck in traffic behind it and noticed the octagon badge. To call it bland would be flattery.

jnoiles

78 posts

156 months

Friday 14th December 2018
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Wait, is that £5k all in? Including the car?

2xChevrons

3,190 posts

80 months

Friday 14th December 2018
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dunnoreally said:
I'm not really buying it. If they cared about British identity, they wouldn't have closed Longbridge. Union jack decals on everything they sell here isn't caring, it's cynicism. Perhaps their choice of workforce for this project shows they're starting to think they could do more with the brand, but it could easily be just as cynical. Interns are cheap.

I take your point about the sideline in grey hatchbacks, but all the Z-cars, Metros, Magnettes etc etc were somewhat sported up versions of the base models. Even the least sporty stuff (like an automatic ZT diesel, say) was always sharing a range with more driver-focused variants and some kind of roadster. This is no longer the case.

I'll put it this way: suppose that Porsche went into new ownership and, within years, the Boxster, Cayman and 911 were all gone and Porsche now exclusively did SUVs and the Panamera. I'll wager lots of people would be annoyed, and no race series would change that. Isn't this pretty much MG's situation as per today?


...I care a bit about this. Can you tell?
It depends on how much you think two-seater sports cars alone are important to MG's heritage as a marque. This is a badge that was created to be put on tuned-up Morris Oxfords and had saloon and tourer models in its range continuously between 1924 and 1971, then a range of warm/hot hatchbacks between 1981 and 1989, then another range of hatches/saloons between 2001 and 2005, then the current SAIC-developed range.

Porsche's entire existence and value is predicated on the 356 and 911 and it didn't make anything that wasn't a sports or GT car until the 21st century. Which is a very different kettle of fish to MG, with its long history of badge-engineering ordinary saloons/hatches into fun cars with a sporty-ish bent.

I've driven the MG3 and the MG6 and for all their many problems they have excellent road manners and handling and are genuinely fun to drive - everything you could expect of an MG, really.

dunnoreally

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Friday 14th December 2018
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2xChevrons said:
It depends on how much you think two-seater sports cars alone are important to MG's heritage as a marque.
Errr... very? I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who thinks so. I'd argue that it was the roadsters which cemented the brand into most people's consciousness, which both secured a lot of MGs export market (after US soldiers picked up a taste for them after the war and started importing them), and that it was the roadsters that allowed a lot of the badge engineered stuff to exist, through association. For that matter, I'd argue the fact the roadsters are the only reason most people consider the modern cars either. Which, ultimately, is what irks me.

.....Is what I was going to say, but then I read about the sub-£30,000 sports car we're apparently getting, which recontextualises everything, and now I feel a bit silly. Oh well. https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motor-shows-sha...




stavers

252 posts

146 months

Monday 17th December 2018
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dunnoreally said:
I really wish the Nanjing Automobile Group would just give the dross they sell here whatever its proper Chinese badge is and let MG die. It's suffered enough. That'd probably lose them the very few sales they have here, though.
It's now (and has been for nearly a decade) SAIC Motors who, I believe, were instructed to buyout NAC. And I understand what you're saying but these cars are sold as MG in China. SAIC Motors have two "own" brands - MG & Roewe.

I know the sales volumes are not massive but MG is the fastest growing OEM sales wise in the UK. Will be interesting to see if that carries on next year.

kambites

67,574 posts

221 months

Monday 17th December 2018
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Taking off the UK-market blinkers and looking at global sales figures, MG are on target to sell over a third of a million cars this year. OK that's a fraction of what the big companies sell, but it's twice what they sold last year which in turn was twice what they sold the year before. Now much of that is down to the Chinese market growing at an enormous rate but still they're clearly doing something right.

They sell (and do a degree of development on) cars here to bolster their claims to be a historic British marque in order to generate sales in China, not to actually attempt to make a profit out of the UK market.

Edited by kambites on Monday 17th December 09:26