RE: British Columbia: PH Dream Drive

RE: British Columbia: PH Dream Drive

Sunday 30th December 2018

British Columbia: PH Dream Drive

Why have just one Christmas Dream Drive from across the Atlantic when we could have two? Cue the RV...



Name: Ben Lowden
Where: British Columbia, Canada
Car used: Winnebago, Minnie Winnie

The route:
You can fly almost anywhere in the world these days for around £500 return. My partner and I wanted to go on a big adventure this year but with so many countries to choose from, the decision was a real struggle. Yet, for as long as I can remember, I've always wanted to go to America. So naturally, we booked a trip to Canada.

I can't quite place where my inspiration to hire a recreational vehicle (or RV, to those in the know) for two weeks came from; it certainly wasn't Breaking Bad. Yet for more than a year I'd been dreaming of a trip in a Winnebago and going on a bear hunt. With my camera, I hasten to add. Affectionately named Minnie Winnie, our RV transported us 2,315km across British Columbia from Vancouver to the Rockies and back again.


After what felt like days of research and planning, we booked our RV with Happy Holidays, who couldn't have been more helpful when it came to advice for our trip. There are some fantastic sites to use for route planning, and ours was based on a 1,950km route on hellobc.com.

With 12 days to drive the suggested 7-10 day route, we were in no rush and averaged around two hours driving a day when needed, but none at all on others. We picked up Minnie Winnie from Happy Holidays just outside of Vancouver and took the Sea-to-Sky highway (99) north to Whistler. They have the best road names in Canada; my favourite that we drove on has to be 'The road of Golden Dreams'. Sure beats the M25.

The route was largely planned around sightseeing spots, with overnight stops at campgrounds. Contrary to what you might read in some places, you cannot just park up anywhere you like overnight in an RV, so you'll need to plan where you're going to stay. Even being off-peak most campgrounds were busy, so it would be essential to book if you're travelling in the summer.

After our first night in the popular ski town of Whistler, we carried on to Clearwater, an unspoiled area filled with breathtaking waterfalls. After a spot of white water rafting we headed up the Clearwater Valley Road, basically built by the Canadians purely for us tourists to enjoy the local scenery.


It was at this point that we had our first rather odd sighting. Driving up to Helmcken Falls, we passed a rather large group of people at the side of the road. Focusing on driving, my partner Jo glanced across and commented it was a bit odd they were all staring at some cows. Thinking nothing of it, we carried on as we were. It wasn't until we were coming back down the road, with yet another group of onlookers, that we realised the cows were in fact bears. Little brown grizzly bear cubs to be precise. Seeing bears in the wild unexpectedly is simply incredible and hard to describe; I was subconsciously waiting for David Attenborough to pipe up over the radio and give us a running commentary as if we were watching Planet Earth.

From Clearwater, we continued to head north into the Mount Robson Provincial Park, crossing into the province of Alberta. At sea level, Vancouver was a very mild 15-16 degrees but the further we climbed, the colder it became with temperatures well below freezing at night. After reaching our most northern point at Jasper, we started to head southeast on the Icefields Parkway; touted by many as the most jawdropping road in all of Canada. They're quite right.

Following a stop off for a trip up a glacier we followed the Parkway all the way down to Lake Louise, when it started to snow. The plan at this point was to head to Banff, but due to the forecast of temperatures dropping below -10 and 40cm of snow, we cut our stay in Alberta short and took the Trans-Canada Highway west to Revelstoke and back into BC. We had planned to spend three days in the area but we actually managed to see everything with just one, so we were able to add a trip to the Okanagan wine region with the days we saved.

Temperatures steadily rose as we headed south on the Okanagan Highway towards Kelowna, where we were grateful to not need to sleep in jumpers and beanies anymore. We picked up the Coquihalla Highway which led us to Bridal Falls, ahead of our final leg back to Vancouver.


Why it's a dream drive:
We are blessed with many fantastic driving roads in the UK, but as they're so accessible, it's easy to take them for granted. Getting on a plane and flying nearly 5,000 miles to drive through the most vast and picturesque country I've ever visited is what makes it an epic adventure and a dream drive. We drove through desolate dusty canyons, hundreds of miles of rich colourful trees to the tops of mountains surrounded by snow. The best way I can describe it is like Scotland on steroids. The skies, lakes and trees were so colourful they looked like they had been photoshopped.

I'm not going to pretend the roads are exciting there, though. Whilst there was definitely part of me that would have preferred to be in a Mustang or a Challenger, we never really came across any twisty roads when I felt I was really missing out. You make the trip for the beauty and landscape, rather than incredible driving roads. In fact, it's hard to imagine how anyone can have an accident there given that the roads are mostly long straights and probably twice the width of our A-roads. Yet every now and again there would be a huge decorated memorial in the verge as a reminder to never take yours eyes off the road.

My only criticism of Canada, if it really can be one, is that it's too bloody big. It was great to explore as a tourist, but to live there must be frustrating that it takes so long to get anywhere. We chatted to a local at one of the lakes we visited who had travelled four hours to get there, and that was considered a short journey. It was her 'local'. The land mass is more than 40 times the size of the UK, yet its population is nearly half. We even drove into another time zone, to put it into perspective.


Highlights and lowlights:
I'm a typical awkward Brit who makes a vague attempt at trying to learn some of the local language when I go abroad, but who fails miserably at speaking it. So it was quite a novelty to go so far away, but still be able to speak English. The first two days in Vancouver were mesmerising with huge trucks, Mustangs, Challengers and Camaros everywhere. Even if you couldn't see one, you could hear the echo of a V8 rumbling in the distance.

Another perk was that we didn't see a single speed camera on the entire trip. Either that, or they're well disguised. Not that it mattered, as I was hauling around a 4.5 tonne RV with a very, very thirsty 6.2-litre V8. An average of 11mpg and a 610-litre tank thirsty, I'll add. I've driven big vans before, but this thing was a whole other level. I have a new found respect for HGV and bus drivers after the stress of getting used to the weight over the course of the first day.

On the subject of HGV drivers, many of them drive like lunatics in Canada. I'm not really used to holding people up, however I was religiously sticking to the speed limits; still, lorries would come flying past as if we were standing still, even in the snow. And they make our lorries over here look like Tonka toys.


Sights, stop-offs and diversions:
Time of year to travel is a biggie, as RV hire is nearly three times as much in the summer than that of the shoulder seasons, either early spring or late autumn. We opted for the latter, to make the most of the cheaper hire rates, quieter tourism and to maximise on the vibrant autumnal colours and the snow beginning to fall onto the mountains. Without a doubt, we picked the best time to travel with rich hues of green, yellow and orange everywhere we went. Apparently it can rain just as much in June as it can in September, and we had just one wet day out of the 14 we spent in Canada.

You can't travel to Vancouver and not spend time wandering its streets, so we spent our first two days exploring the quaint coastal city whilst we acclimatised and got over our jet lag. If you've ever heard the rumour that Canadians are the friendliest people you'll ever meet, it's true.

If you like lakes, waterfalls, mountains and breathtaking scenery on an epic scale, then this is the trip for you. As long as you don't mind the prospect of bumping into a bear when you're out for a walk. Places you just absolutely have to visit (in order) are Whistler, Joffre Lakes, Clearwater, Moul Falls, Spahat Falls, Helmcken Falls, Mount Robson, Kinney Lake, Jasper, Athabasca Falls, Icefields Parkway, Peyto Lake, Lake Louise, Moraine Lake, Okanagan Valley and the Othello tunnels.


We arrived at the majority of our campgrounds in the dark, to be told to watch out for the bears that had been spotted earlier in the day or week. Luckily for me, I was driving the RV. Unluckily for Jo, she had to get out in the dark and back me into our space and try not to get distracted by the rustling in the bushes. Turns out we were also there during elk mating season, so we got to witness a fight between two stags as they wandered around our campground in Jasper. Another Planet Earth moment.

We met some incredible people along the way and made memories to last a lifetime. If you've ever thought of doing a similar trip, I can wholeheartedly say just get on and book it; you won't regret it.

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MacG

Original Poster:

318 posts

265 months

Sunday 30th December 2018
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Great write-up of a trip I would love to make. I am familiar with the area having visited friends in Vancouver and Whistler (and driven the old Sea to Sky Highway in a Mustang), but never gone on a proper road trip. This has now bumped up the list of must-do holidays.

mustdash

360 posts

128 months

Sunday 30th December 2018
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Great write up.

I did this sort of trip about 10 years ago. Started off in Vancouver, hired a car (Lincoln Continental Town Car - nicknamed 'Abe'). Drove the Trans-Canada Highway from Vancouver. Stopped off in Kamloops, then on to Lake Louise, Banff and Calgary before heading North to spend some time in Edmonton, before flying back to Van. In 2012 I then spent 5 months living in Jasper but toured around a little bit and drove the Icefields Parkway a couple of times. The whole place is absolutely stunning and I would love to go back!

Burwood

18,709 posts

246 months

Sunday 30th December 2018
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Nice idea in theory but I couldn’t imagine a worse driving experience. It must be hateful to drive. And no mention of rental. I’m guessing 200 usd/day. Great trip if you can manage the ball ache drive. Your passengers are enjoying the views whilst you tr not to kill everyone smile

BenLowden

6,035 posts

177 months

PH Marketing Bloke

Sunday 30th December 2018
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Burwood said:
Nice idea in theory but I couldn’t imagine a worse driving experience. It must be hateful to drive. And no mention of rental. I’m guessing 200 usd/day. Great trip if you can manage the ball ache drive. Your passengers are enjoying the views whilst you tr not to kill everyone smile
I'll admit the first day was pretty terrifying getting used to it, but it was great after that and a pretty relaxing way to motor around. Hotels were pretty expensive over there (we paid £150/pn in Vancouver for a 3* Holiday Inn) whereas the RV was $70/pd, so around £40 and campgrounds were around £15/20, so a hell of a lot cheaper than hiring a car and staying in hotels.

Plus it gives you the flexibility of being able to adjust your trip (as we did) and have a toilet everywhere you go hehe Appreciate it wouldn't be for everyone, but it was brilliant for us and I wouldn't hesitate to do it again.

JMF894

5,504 posts

155 months

Sunday 30th December 2018
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I'm doing pretty much exactly this in July with the family but in reverse. Starting in Calgary anf finishing in Vancouver. I'm lucky enough to have been a couple of times previously as my mum is Canadian and gramps lived in Osoyoos. Amazing place and I would heartily recomend it to anyone.

As for comments on the drive being dull, I couldn't disagree more with all the incredible scenery. Driving a huge RV in that enviroment is an event.

Burwood

18,709 posts

246 months

Sunday 30th December 2018
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I’d very much like to take the kids to BC. Looks great. My daughter just requested a ‘bear attack’. Hmmm

MikeGalos

261 posts

284 months

Sunday 30th December 2018
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Doing the Sea to Sky in a big vehicle is a bit of a terrifying waste since I can't imagine you were able to take your eyes off the road long enough to see just how spectacular a view you were missing while desperately trying not to plummet into Howe Sound.

QBee

20,984 posts

144 months

Sunday 30th December 2018
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I am with you on the joys of camper-vanning.
I tried it in the UK, just to see what it was like, this September, and was smitten.

It isn't a driving holiday in your favourite V8, that's for sure - put that idea out of your mind.
But for us, as a couple, it had a number of unexpected joys.

First, yes, you go everywhere at a very steady speed, but it is less stressful, the high driving position is more relaxing, and the passenger arrives with nerves intact. We merely watched the frustration in the German lane and smiled at each other, knowingly.

Second, as you mentioned, having your own facilities on board took stress out of the journey, we didn't need to find service areas and it also meant that my wife could simply go for a snooze when she wanted to.

Third, the randomness of it is wonderful, which i never thought I would say, being a person who normally needs to know where he is going.

The day we hired it, we were going to Wales for six days.
We picked it up late afternoon and decided to load up that evening, but set off in the morning.
By 10pm we had changed our minds, and when the morning came we were heading to Devon, but not Cornwall.
I phoned ahead and made sure that a caravan site had space for us on the edge of Dartmoor, but frankly I needn't have bothered, as it was in school term time. The rest of the holiday we simply made it up as we went along. And we went to Cornwall.

And on the way home we broke the journey at a pub in the Cotswolds, with its own restaurant and caravan site attached - best of both worlds.

Next for us is a very long tour, seeing all the areas of Europe we have never seen, but after that? Well, Canada sounds like fun.....

poing

8,743 posts

200 months

Sunday 30th December 2018
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Looks great, good write up. I'll miss these if the forum goes.

I've considered something similar a few times but can't decide on the best mode of transport.

The big RV looks great and is on the list. It's by far and away the most sensible choice.
A motorbike is slightly ahead of it but first I'd need to pass my test and get some experience.
A classic American like an old Mustang or similar would be my ideal method but I suspect most of the romance of that is in my head with reality not being so kind.

At no point have I considered the same trip in a modern car.

GibsonSG

276 posts

111 months

Sunday 30th December 2018
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Great article and brought back memories of our RV trip from Calgary to Vancouver in 2009. I can concur with all that Ben has written - in addition our kids would have been 9 and 6 at that time and they really enjoyed the trip.

Yes, it’s not a traditional road trip of the type I love to do each year, but it was really evocative in its own way and I thoroughly enjoyed driving “our” RV after a couple of days of familiarisation.

unpc

2,835 posts

213 months

Sunday 30th December 2018
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Did a lengthy RV trip around the American South West in a massive thing with a 7 litre V10 petrol engine and was one of the best holidays I've ever had. The view out of the garage door sized windscreen (which incidentally I smashed) was epic. It's a great way to travel. Thankfully I took the full insurance.

BEN139

48 posts

153 months

Sunday 30th December 2018
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We drove this exact route in 2016in a rental Dodge Charger although we went on to Glacier National Park, US and dropped the car off in Calgary.... I echo the comments the country is vast but breatakingly stunning.
One thing I wish we had planned into the trip was longer in Vancouver to explore Vancouver Island and Tofino.

Cold

15,247 posts

90 months

Sunday 30th December 2018
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That's a lovely part of the world. One of my favourite areas.

rossub

4,444 posts

190 months

Sunday 30th December 2018
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When I went in 2008, there was very little difference between hotel cost and RV hire. So it was a Ford Edge for us and about 16 hotels biggrin

They have their benefits (own toilet certainly), but lugging something that size absolutely everywhere is definitely a drawback.

Why does every bugger that goes to these places see bears? Best we saw in 3 1/2 weeks were bloody chipmunks!

JimbobVFR

2,682 posts

144 months

Sunday 30th December 2018
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Cold said:
That's a lovely part of the world. One of my favourite areas.
Mine too. My dad's lucky enough to live in Port Moody which is a suburb of Vancouver.

We finally managed to make it over there for the first time last year, we had a few weeks in Vancouver at my dad's and then took a trip south to Washington State and Portland in my dad's Winnebago (with a 7.0 V10) to see the solar eclipse. The size of the vehicle isn't the problem you'd think as the roads are very different, even quiet back roads are wider than most A roads over here, no wonder my step mum is a little nervous about driving a hire car in Yorkshire when they visit us.

fttm

3,686 posts

135 months

Sunday 30th December 2018
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My neck of the woods so to speak , you summed it up well .Not sure when you visited but there seems a distinct lack of the white stuff in your photos , taken around Kelowna ?
Distances are vast , although driving time is generally measured in hours rather than miles/kms due to the lack of other traffic . Truck traffic on Hway1/Coq can be iffy , most of the trucks are on a scheduled run between Calgary and Vancouver and any semi with a Surrey BC plate needs a wide birth as their driving standards are woeful .
Anyhow , glad you enjoyed the trip ,it's a beautiful part of the world in many ways .

Dal3D

1,177 posts

151 months

Sunday 30th December 2018
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Great write up and strangely what I've been researching for the last few weeks!

Thanks for the hints and tips on what to see - Think we're going to do a one way Vancouver > Calgary trip with an SUV of some kind and stay in hotels to be more "nimble" as well as getting off the beaten track to do the odd day of proper hiking. The OH is into her photography too so more than enough for her to get her lens into.

When did you go? September? We're planning the 2nd and 3rd week of September - what as the temperature like?

Thanks again for the write up beer

BlackPrince

1,271 posts

169 months

Sunday 30th December 2018
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JMF894 said:
I'm doing pretty much exactly this in July with the family but in reverse. Starting in Calgary anf finishing in Vancouver. I'm lucky enough to have been a couple of times previously as my mum is Canadian and gramps lived in Osoyoos. Amazing place and I would heartily recomend it to anyone.

As for comments on the drive being dull, I couldn't disagree more with all the incredible scenery. Driving a huge RV in that enviroment is an event.
I live in Calgary - msg if you'd like to grab a beer (first one's on me, rest is on you wink ) and chat cars or need any local roads tips

BlackPrince

1,271 posts

169 months

Sunday 30th December 2018
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I did Calgary -> Van roundtrip last year (I just moved to Calgary a few years ago).

Was absolutely epic and I'd advise anyone to rent the fastest car you can afford. I did it in my Subaru NotImpreza STI and though its not a particularly fast road, having the extra power to overtake is handy otherwise you get stuck behind a slow moving truck for miles. Its probably the most beautiful road I've ever been on and well worth the trip

BenLowden

6,035 posts

177 months

PH Marketing Bloke

Sunday 30th December 2018
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poing said:
Looks great, good write up. I'll miss these if the forum goes.

I've considered something similar a few times but can't decide on the best mode of transport.
Thanks for all the kind comments. I can assure you though, the forums aren't going anywhere anytime soon!

A couple of you have raised concerns over driving around in a massive RV but really, you get used to it quickly. Plus the roads there are so huge, you never feel like you're close to traffic travelling in the other direction. In fact, we met an amazing 70-year old lady who drove a 30' motorhome solo who mocked our mere 23'!

Dal3D said:
Great write up and strangely what I've been researching for the last few weeks!

Thanks for the hints and tips on what to see - Think we're going to do a one way Vancouver > Calgary trip with an SUV of some kind and stay in hotels to be more "nimble" as well as getting off the beaten track to do the odd day of proper hiking. The OH is into her photography too so more than enough for her to get her lens into.

When did you go? September? We're planning the 2nd and 3rd week of September - what as the temperature like?

Thanks again for the write up beer
Excellent. As above, as the roads were so huge we were never restricted by the RV, we could get everywhere we wanted to as all the car parks we visited had more than enough space to park up.

We went for the last week in September and first week of October. Vancouver was mid teens at sea level, but the higher we climbed the colder it was. It was only around 1/2 degrees during the day around the Lake Louise area and dropped to -4/5 at night.

As a keen photographer myself, you can see it doesn't get much better! If there's one place I would say you absolutely have to go, it's Clearwater. All of the waterfalls are perfect for photography, plus that's where we saw the bears smile