RE: Mercedes-Benz A45 AMG: Spotted

RE: Mercedes-Benz A45 AMG: Spotted

Saturday 5th January

Mercedes-Benz A45 AMG: Spotted

With a 400hp replacement due soon, could now be the time for the original A45 to shine?



Flipping 'eck, Tucker! It seems like only yesterday that we sat here in short trousers enthusing about road car engines that could hit the magic 100hp per litre mark. We would rhapsodise in words poetic about the technological wonders that emerged from the factories of Honda and Ferrari and the like, salivating wildly over the S2000 or 360 CS or whatever. And what made them seem so otherworldly to us at the time was that most, if not all, of these highly tuned honeys were naturally aspirated, remember.

Motorbike engines were even better, of course, and reached such dizzying heights even earlier, largely due to them being unshackled from some of the inevitable emissions and longevity constraints. But it was the rise in popularity of forced induction that really upped the ante, with 100hp per litre then becoming increasingly common in road car engines. Now, you can have your twin-turboed 5.0 V8 Koenigsegg Agera RS with 232hp per litre, for example. However, if you like the idea of a highly tuned engine but want a more practical and affordable proposition, you could always try a Mercedes-Benz hatchback.


When the A45 AMG was launched in 2014 it blitzed its way to the top of the hot hatch horsepower tree with an output of 360hp, all from a relatively weeny 2.0-litre turbocharged four-pot. Subsequent revisions (to keep it one step ahead of Audi's RS3, mostly) saw that power rise to 376hp at a 6,000rpm, and if you think it might be deficient on the torque front think again: it also produced 332lb ft at just 2,250rpm.

That also worked out at 188hp per litre, at the time something rather mind-boggling for a production four-cylinder engine, especially one in a five-door hatchback.Β On the road it was, not surprisingly, staggeringly quick, with 0 to 62mph coming up in just 4.6 seconds. Its power was accessible, too, and it sent its oomph to all four wheels via a seven-speed dual-clutch automatic transmission and a 4Matic four-wheel drive system. It was normally front-wheel drive, apportioning power - up to a maximum of 50 per cent - to the rear wheels only once the fronts began to lose traction. It had grip, go and gumption, but it was heavy and as stiff as a board and some felt it lacked character: its engine note was especially disappointing.


It was expensive, too, but such is its notoriety it continues to hold on to its value rather well. However, it's now possible to get one for under another magic barrier, the Β£30k one, as witnessed by this example we found in the classifieds. This 2015 car is up for Β£27,500, has just 16,000 miles on the clock and comes with a full service history. It also features a year's MOT and a six-month warranty, too. Expensive still, admittedly, but it's earned its place in the hot hatch hall of fame, and as a curious alternative to a Golf GTI or Focus RS it could be worth a punt.


SPECIFICATION - MERCEDES-BENZ A45 AMG

Engine: 1,991cc, 4-cyl turbo
Transmission: 7-speed dual-clutch auto, four-wheel drive
Power (hp): 360@6,000rpm
Torque (lb ft): 332@2,500rpm
MPG: 40.9
CO2: 162g/km
First registered: 2015
Recorded mileage: 16,000
Price new: Β£41,875
Yours for: Β£27,500

See the original advert here.

Mark Pearson

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Ahbefive

Original Poster:

11,657 posts

120 months

Saturday 5th January
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It's a shame these weren't available with a manual gearbox but then I suppose Mercedes have always been mainly automatic and also it would impact performance which seems to be a big factor these days.

They seem to be holding their value quite well.

Otispunkmeyer

9,946 posts

103 months

Saturday 5th January
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This looks so much better without the wing and the other more aggressively styled aero bits they tack on. This almost looks like any other A180d... except when you put your foot down something actually happens!

big_rob_sydney

2,391 posts

142 months

Saturday 5th January
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Like the idea of these (and the rs3) as a successor to the rally rep segment. They're too expensive though to truly follow in their footsteps, as the rally reps were also the "working mans" supercar, whereas these are at a price point well above those previous cars.

If I remember correctly, the original Impreza turbo was something like £20k? And while we can all play the inflation game, these particular cars are around double the price, whereas the salary of a working man has not doubled, surely?

wab172uk

1,479 posts

175 months

Saturday 5th January
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Bland without al the wings and Tings. Tacky with.

A/S/RS3's all look better IMHO.

cerb4.5lee

13,030 posts

128 months

Saturday 5th January
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I bet these are an absolute weapon with a remap. They're quick in standard guise.

wab172uk

1,479 posts

175 months

Saturday 5th January
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big_rob_sydney said:
Like the idea of these (and the rs3) as a successor to the rally rep segment. They're too expensive though to truly follow in their footsteps, as the rally reps were also the "working mans" supercar, whereas these are at a price point well above those previous cars.

If I remember correctly, the original Impreza turbo was something like £20k? And while we can all play the inflation game, these particular cars are around double the price, whereas the salary of a working man has not doubled, surely?
Ah but we can all live in financial debt thanks to PCP !!!!!



Alex_225

3,647 posts

149 months

Saturday 5th January
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Otispunkmeyer said:
This looks so much better without the wing and the other more aggressively styled aero bits they tack on. This almost looks like any other A180d... except when you put your foot down something actually happens!
I have to agree, this particular model is very nice and pleasantly subtle. Then again I'm torn with the idea that it's maybe too subtle? I wouldn't drive an A45 with the big wing as it's just a bit to Fast & Furious for my liking.

I suspect if you de-badged this, like you say Otis this wouldn't stand out over the average 180 yet would surprise a few people. smile

st4

1,359 posts

81 months

Saturday 5th January
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big_rob_sydney said:
Like the idea of these (and the rs3) as a successor to the rally rep segment. They're too expensive though to truly follow in their footsteps, as the rally reps were also the "working mans" supercar, whereas these are at a price point well above those previous cars.

If I remember correctly, the original Impreza turbo was something like £20k? And while we can all play the inflation game, these particular cars are around double the price, whereas the salary of a working man has not doubled, surely?
All true but with inflation an Impreza would be like £30k and this is more. But it's more refined blah blah and finance rates are lower now so on a monthly cost inflation adjusted it might not so different as a monthly outlay as all that.

Still, not sure how reliable these are. A newer Golf R with dealer warranty would be a safer better and a new/nearly Honda Type R civic much more fun and more reliable again than this old Mercedes

richs2891

793 posts

201 months

Saturday 5th January
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I think it looks better for not having the wings and aero pack on, though I guess the aero pack appeals to a certain group.
I would definitely de badge it rear and sides, leave the exhausts dirty, and hopefully have a A45 that would not fear to leave parked up every day

Edited by richs2891 on Saturday 5th January 11:26

Oz83

401 posts

87 months

Saturday 5th January
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big_rob_sydney said:
Like the idea of these (and the rs3) as a successor to the rally rep segment. They're too expensive though to truly follow in their footsteps, as the rally reps were also the "working mans" supercar, whereas these are at a price point well above those previous cars.

If I remember correctly, the original Impreza turbo was something like £20k? And while we can all play the inflation game, these particular cars are around double the price, whereas the salary of a working man has not doubled, surely?
I understand what you are saying but these cars really aren't like for like when compared to the old rally reps. I mean, they had interiors made from margerine tubs, a cd player if you were lucky, and had the mpg of a HGV.

And when you consider performance, an Impreza Turbo 2000 had around 210bhp if I remember correctly. You had to pay a lot more than £20k for a WRX STi for 280bhp and they were usually imported. To get a car with similar power you would have been looking at an EVO FQ360. I just checked and they were £33k back in 2006 (that's equivalent to £46k now).

I'm a massive fan of the Impeza and Evos of old, but I think we are truly spolied by the new breed of hot hatches.

Edited by Oz83 on Saturday 5th January 11:41

Trophy-GTA

91 posts

46 months

Saturday 5th January
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Wait until the new one is released then these will probably start to drop in value.

st4

1,359 posts

81 months

Saturday 5th January
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petrolhead4 said:
I know from experience how brutal these cars are, but the old A45 just doesn't do it for me. It still kind of looks like a B class where an elephant has sat on it's roof, and the massive difference between the front and rear overhangs just make it look a little odd from the side profile.
No transverse mount car will have the elegent proportions of a car with a long ways engine. Short front overhang can only come from a long ways engine.

BFleming

1,553 posts

91 months

Saturday 5th January
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I spent almost 3 weeks in Berlin in 2018, and all you hear/see at night is 'tuned' A45's being driven by complete fkwits. They have a horrendous image, and are a complete magnet for the police (they actually still have real on-street police presence in Germany, unlike the UK).
Has anyone taken one on track I wonder? If so, comments please.

Edited by BFleming on Saturday 5th January 12:43

st4

1,359 posts

81 months

Saturday 5th January
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petrolhead4 said:
Much better than the AMG!



Agree. One of the all time greats

HM-2

4,682 posts

117 months

Saturday 5th January
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Alex_225 said:
Otispunkmeyer said:
This looks so much better without the wing and the other more aggressively styled aero bits they tack on. This almost looks like any other A180d... except when you put your foot down something actually happens!
I have to agree, this particular model is very nice and pleasantly subtle. Then again I'm torn with the idea that it's maybe too subtle? I wouldn't drive an A45 with the big wing as it's just a bit to Fast & Furious for my liking
Personally, I'd want the Aero kit but without the wing. Don't think you can do that, so in the choice between lairy and boring, I'd probably (and very nearly did) go boring.

Really, really wanted to love the pre-FL car I tested last year. But I didn't gel with it on the road, particularly the dimwitted gearbox. Later ones supposed to be much better in that regard.

The killer for me was a) the spec of the car I was looking at (AMG exhaust, 19" wheels and Logic 7 but no nav, parking sensors or heated seats) and the abysmal customer service I received. Being left in the waiting room for nearly half an hour whilst the salesboy prints out lease deals for cars I'm not actually looking at, despite me telling him I wouldn't be buying through PCP, was pretty shocking.

Burwood

14,166 posts

194 months

Saturday 5th January
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What’s will all if them having such low miles. I’d be checking that very closely. Too expensive if you as me, for an old car

st4

1,359 posts

81 months

Saturday 5th January
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HM-2 said:
Personally, I'd want the Aero kit but without the wing. Don't think you can do that, so in the choice between lairy and boring, I'd probably (and very nearly did) go boring.

Really, really wanted to love the pre-FL car I tested last year. But I didn't gel with it on the road, particularly the dimwitted gearbox. Later ones supposed to be much better in that regard.

The killer for me was a) the spec of the car I was looking at (AMG exhaust, 19" wheels and Logic 7 but no nav, parking sensors or heated seats) and the abysmal customer service I received. Being left in the waiting room for nearly half an hour whilst the salesboy prints out lease deals for cars I'm not actually looking at, despite me telling him I wouldn't be buying through PCP, was pretty shocking.
Mercedes are hire cars for hire car pilots these days. I had a not too dissimilar experience enquiring about a new E class specifications and trim to be quoted monthly figures based around an annual mileage the salesman picked out their head

CS Garth

2,102 posts

53 months

Saturday 5th January
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My dirty little secret is I really like the GLA45.

When they come down to 15k in 2-3 years I’m going to be all over one like a tramp on chips

Brooking10

7,337 posts

89 months

Saturday 5th January
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st4 said:
Mercedes are hire cars for hire car pilots these days. I had a not too dissimilar experience enquiring about a new E class specifications and trim to be quoted monthly figures based around an annual mileage the salesman picked out their head
Does that change how they drive ?

Surely you just said @no thanks I’ll pay cash ?”

As for the A45, cracking little car albeit no looker. Agree with all the points raised re the aero kit, necessary but evil.

tril

221 posts

22 months

Saturday 5th January
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CS Garth said:
My dirty little secret is I really like the GLA45.

When they come down to 15k in 2-3 years I’m going to be all over one like a tramp on chips
The GLA45 is without a doubt the better buy. The A45 is so stiff it's almost undrivable on UK roads. GLA gives you a more usable and practical package and I think it looks better.

However regardless of which one you buy, you can't escape the bad interior, gearbox and characterless engine. RS3 is a much better car.