RE: McLaren Grand Tourer: Geneva 2019

RE: McLaren Grand Tourer: Geneva 2019

Tuesday 7th May

McLaren GT name confirmed ahead of reveal

Woking steals royal baby's thunder; announces its offspring's name first



UPDATE - 07.05.19
A very brief press release from McLaren means a very brief update from PH for you this Tuesday afternoon. That's because the name of McLaren's new GT has been officially unveiled to be... McLaren GT. So now you know.

Positioned alongside the Sports Series and Super Series as a standalone model, the car is promised to set new standards in the world of performance grand tourers. We'll have full details when the GT is officially launched on May 15th and, until then, you can read everything that we know already below.




UPDATE - 26.04.2019

McLaren's upcoming Grand Tourer has been spotted once more, this time being spied on the public road rather than in staged press photos. There are no further details, obviously, though the new images do provide a clearer view of the car from more angles than we've previously been offered. As such they represent the best look we're likely to get before the standalone model is fully unveiled next month, so feast your eyes and let us know what you make of it...



Images: S. Baldauf/S.B. Medien



UPDATE - 03.04.2019

In the run up to the reveal of McLaren’s Grand Tourer this May, the Woking brand has put out more images of its development car – but this time it’s lost cladding and wears only a shrink-wrapped camouflage. It means for the first time we’re able to see the form of the car's skin, which appears to mix 570S, Longtail and Speedtail features, probably to emphasise a combination of some of their performance traits.

McLaren has pledged that this standalone model – it won’t be part of any of the brand’s existing Series – will set new standards in the world of performance grand tourers. As part of its efforts to achieve this, the test car has been sent on a 1000-mile road trip from McLaren’s continental development base near Barcelona back to its Surrey home with two occupants on board, who’ve brimmed it with luggage.


This is all in the name of endurance and refinement testing and not just an employee jolly up, although it does sound rather fun. The occupants will be in constant communication with HQ, evaluating the Grand Tourer’s vitals and also reporting back on their conditions – McLaren’s long-distance performance machine can’t be giving anyone sore backs, can it? Particularly when interested buyers are said to be existing customers who have praised the 570GT’s touring abilities.

Woking has remained tight-lipped on the finer details, but we’re expecting the motor held midship of the Grand Tourer to be the firm’s Ricardo-built twin-turbo 4.0 V8, offering performance comfortably beyond that of its 570GT. The look suggests we could be looking at 720S-aping numbers in a more forgiving package; perhaps it could be aided by hybrid power to ensure this. Expect more info to trickle out of Woking soon…


ORIGINAL STORY - 05.03.2019


Excluding the Longtails (because they're limited), there's an argument to say that the 570GT is the best Sports Series McLaren. It loses little to the S dynamically (and that can be restored with a handling pack), while offering some welcome added style, luxury and sense of occasion.

It's not been lost on customers either, apparently, the majority of whom are conquest buyers from other manufacturers who haven't had any McLarens previously. How does that relate to this? Because those customers who have a GT have told McLaren that they love the car, but quite like the idea of something even faster and with its own distinct style - hence the 'McLaren of Grand Tourers'.

That really is the name for now, a full title set to follow in due course. Teased only with a video at the Geneva show, it will be the fourth car in McLaren's Track25 business plan (where 18 new cars are coming before 2025) and isn't part of the existing Sports, Super or Ultimate Series families. CEO Mike Flewitt said to expect "competition levels of performance with continent-crossing capability, wrapped in a beautiful lightweight body."

The line at present is that this car will "redefine the rules of grand touring", implying a car along Speedtail lines where refinement and comfort are the priorities, albeit still with plentiful performance. It's said this McLaren will be the most usable mid-engined car yet, too.

The new GT's silhouette, even disguised in a testing video, is something to behold; of course it's difficult to be sure for now, but it seems both wider and lower than even a 720S. One to investigate further once the hype dies down. But McLaren certainly isn't resting on its laurels, that's for certain - more as we have it!

Matt Bird

 

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Gecko1978

Original Poster:

2,293 posts

98 months

Tuesday 5th March
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McLaren seem to be using the porsche business model or many variations on a theme and frankly why not customers like buying a model rather than having to pick endless options to get car you want. They still cater for the later with MSO too. For me I see this as a chance one day to own a real super car for less than say 60k (if the 540 depreciated that much over 10 years).

I wish them all the best with this.

NJJ

158 posts

21 months

Tuesday 5th March
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So where will this fit in with amongst the current range? Confused.

If it is pitched at the same level as 720S or lower than that would make for interesting reading but if it is another unobtainable option like Speedtail or Senna my interest tends to drop off.

E65Ross

22,417 posts

153 months

Tuesday 5th March
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I hope they do well in this market, but I am not so sure they will be able to produce a proper GT as good as, say a Bentley CGT, or at the upper ends of the market, Rolls Royce Wraith. Although I guess if they're going after the Aston Martin DB11 I guess it could work. Suppose it depends on where on the spectrum of "GT" you want your car....luxury or more sporting?

CM954

501 posts

126 months

Tuesday 5th March
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Why is it driving on the right?

E65Ross

22,417 posts

153 months

Tuesday 5th March
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CM954 said:
Why is it driving on the right?
Dual carriageway?
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Vee12V

782 posts

101 months

Tuesday 5th March
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Let me guess. That bloody twin turbo V8 again?

GranCab

1,447 posts

87 months

Tuesday 5th March
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The engine is in the wrong place for a GT.

Maldini35

2,000 posts

129 months

Tuesday 5th March
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GranCab said:
The engine is in the wrong place for a GT.
That’s one of the old rules I guess

Hence the massive NEW RULES written down the side of the car.



LaurasOtherHalf

14,812 posts

137 months

Tuesday 5th March
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GTs need large luggage space or small seats for the kids, I suspect this'll have neither.

What it will have, is the same engine, gearbox and monocell as everything else they make with a few subtle tweaks that no one will be able to tell the difference between.

Maldini35

2,000 posts

129 months

Tuesday 5th March
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LaurasOtherHalf said:
GTs need large luggage space or small seats for the kids, I suspect this'll have neither.
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Agreed - a GT needs one or the other.
Will be interesting to see if it does.

GranCab

1,447 posts

87 months

Tuesday 5th March
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"New rules" aren't necessarily better ... McLaren are currently trying to create different types of vehicle with one basic design and their marketing department is trying a bit too hard here.

A GT car should have a more relaxed / upright driving position, a useable boot for luggage etc. etc.


pycraft

92 posts

125 months

Tuesday 5th March
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I love that Dua Lipa is an early customer for this car, but thought it was a bit tacky that she wanted her song titles down the side.

Maldini35

2,000 posts

129 months

Tuesday 5th March
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GranCab said:
"New rules" aren't necessarily better ... McLaren are currently trying to create different types of vehicle with one basic design and their marketing department is trying a bit too hard here.

A GT car should have a more relaxed / upright driving position, a useable boot for luggage etc. etc.
I agree - let’s wait and see.
Hard to tell much from a heavily camouflaged test car.
Unless you know more?

smilo996

1,492 posts

111 months

Tuesday 5th March
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So will this be an iteration of the Speedtail or an extended 570 et al. Fossil fuel only or pinching some hybrid as well.
Should be interesting to hear about.
Looks a bit more appealing than the speedtail.

Gameface

8,380 posts

18 months

Tuesday 5th March
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Their engine is certainly quiet enough for a GT.

Alfa numeric

2,945 posts

120 months

Tuesday 5th March
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The article said:
CEO Mike Flewitt said to expect "competition levels of performance with continent-crossing capability, wrapped in a beautiful lightweight body.".
Continent crossing ability? I've got the perfect name for it.

Europa.

HighwayStar

2,273 posts

85 months

Tuesday 5th March
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Maldini35 said:
GranCab said:
"New rules" aren't necessarily better ... McLaren are currently trying to create different types of vehicle with one basic design and their marketing department is trying a bit too hard here.

A GT car should have a more relaxed / upright driving position, a useable boot for luggage etc. etc.
I agree - let’s wait and see.
Hard to tell much from a heavily camouflaged test car.
Unless you know more?
Why wait and see? PHers always know more. What it should cost, what they should’ve done, where they’ve gone wrong... all without even laying eyes on whatever manufacturers creation wink

JohnCarlisleApeiron

15 posts

7 months

Tuesday 5th March
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E65Ross said:
CM954 said:
Why is it driving on the right?
Dual carriageway?
Easier to over take the photographer in the GT, than the other way around.

Brooking10

4,672 posts

82 months

Tuesday 5th March
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HighwayStar said:
Maldini35 said:
GranCab said:
"New rules" aren't necessarily better ... McLaren are currently trying to create different types of vehicle with one basic design and their marketing department is trying a bit too hard here.

A GT car should have a more relaxed / upright driving position, a useable boot for luggage etc. etc.
I agree - let’s wait and see.
Hard to tell much from a heavily camouflaged test car.
Unless you know more?
Why wait and see? PHers always know more. What it should cost, what they should’ve done, where they’ve gone wrong... all without even laying eyes on whatever manufacturers creation wink
yes

GranCab

1,447 posts

87 months

Tuesday 5th March
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Maldini35 said:
GranCab said:
"New rules" aren't necessarily better ... McLaren are currently trying to create different types of vehicle with one basic design and their marketing department is trying a bit too hard here.

A GT car should have a more relaxed / upright driving position, a useable boot for luggage etc. etc.
I agree - let’s wait and see.
Hard to tell much from a heavily camouflaged test car.
Unless you know more?
I'm sure it will be quiet and comfortable ... most McLarens are.

It might be camouflaged but it's fairly obvious (to those of us blessed with eyesight...) that it is low and wide - not my idea of a GT car.

Edited by GranCab on Tuesday 5th March 13:54