RE: Why McLaren wants to start building Grand Tourers

RE: Why McLaren wants to start building Grand Tourers

Thursday 7th March 2019

Why McLaren wants to start building Grand Tourers

Mike Flewitt on that new GT, all-wheel drive and why we might see McLaren back on the grid at Le Mans



Without wishing to sound trite, Mike Flewitt is very much a PHer's CEO. He swapped his F80 M3 for an M5, he races a Lotus Elan and his previous work includes time with TWR and Rolls-Royce. He clearly knows business as well, McLaren aiming at a ninth consecutive year of record sales, the new Longtails introduced to rave reviews and the Track25 plan continuing apace.

Given our surroundings when we sit down for a brief chat at the Geneva Motor Show, it makes sense to begin the conversation with new products; particularly the as-yet-unnamed Gran Tourer, having been revealed 24 hours prior as the fourth car in Track25's 18-model onslaught. Why has it happened? Two reasons, Flewitt says: "One, if you go all the way back to 12C and 650, we were producing a car that in a sense was trying to do everything. And as we've evolved, in addition to our mainstream cars like the 720, we've then introduced the LTs - much more focussed cars. But there is still a considerable demand for cars that aren't actually track cars, that are more road orientated." So it's the same level of focus, employed in a different remit; a junior Speedtail if you will. Flewitt sees the relationship between the 600LT and the Senna as like that between this new GT and the Speedtail.

While still a two-seater, we're told to expect more space for passengers and luggage, more luxury and comfort than we've seen in a McLaren, a new infotainment system (accompanied by a wry smile that suggests he understands the current shortcomings as well as anyone) and a price in the region of £165k - splitting the Sports and Super Series. Buyers should still expect a McLaren experience, though: "We're not moving away from the things we think define McLaren, but we are putting McLaren in a different position in the market." So it'll still be the lightest and sportiest car in its segment (with the best power-to-weight ratio, apparently), but occupying a different niche to usual, one Flewitt describes as "maybe not as intuitive a portion as McLaren building supercars." Hence giving it a new name and not pigeonholing it in a series, to better communicate the car's intentions - this is not a McLaren we're used to.


As for what the segment actually is, Flewitt says the Continental GT is "one of the defining cars of the sector", and also mentions the 911 Turbo and the 8 Series at a slightly lower price point. The McLaren, however, is said to be pitched more at the sports car end of the GT segment, "more like the 60s grand tourers, which were more sports car orientated than big luxury coupes." Sounds rather like McLaren's own M6GT of the time, then (you read it here first if that is the name...) We're not far off knowing it, either, the final sign-off drive taking place on March 14th, with cars going into production in a matter of months and deliveries in July or August.

So what about McLaren in motorsport? Both Mike and wife Mia race extensively, the former making no secret of his passion for four-wheeled competition. When the new WEC Hypercar rules are brought up, he says there's "definitely a desire" for McLaren to investigate the possibility, especially with Zak Brown (his equivalent at McLaren Racing) keen to expand the motorsport empire. "I'd like to see us do WEC... we're talking about it. If the regulations are there, such that the tech is relevant to our road cars, and the cars look like our road cars, or are derivatives of our road cars... The prototypes didn't really interest me, but if you go back to GT1 I adored that, like most of us did. So if we could go back to a world like that then I'd be very excited about that."

As for what the future holds for McLaren road cars, there's plenty more of note. Asked about how long hydraulic steering can stay in McLarens - because it's one of the best bits of the cars - Flewitt responds immediately and effusively: "I hope forever!" While EPAS was typically introduced for efficiency savings, the McLaren mantra under his leadership has always been to drive weight out rather than "corrupt our steering", which is music to PH's ears certainly. At present McLaren is working on a solution with suppliers that can hopefully retain the hydraulic assistance while permitting an electric intervention where required (as part of the legislation around active safety). Flewitt describes the steering as "one of the real pleasures" of driving the LT McLarens in particular, so is keen to retain it.


So the steering looks set to stay, but a solely rear-drive line up doesn't. While there will be no mechanical four-wheel drive McLaren, Flewitt reckons an electrically driven front axle could have benefits as hybrid tech advances further and regain improves. Not only does it keep them abreast of the competition in the supercar acceleration arms race, it also makes McLarens more attractive in markets with inclement weather. "I can see us getting there", he says of four-wheel drive.

Finally, with the incredible Koenigsegg Jesko shown at Geneva, and so much of the McLaren F1 mystique surely in its long-held position as the fastest car in the world, it seems worth bringing up speed records and the race to 300mph. "No" comes the simple response to whether there's interest in doing 300mph, Flewitt keen to emphasise the usability of McLaren's new fastest car - the Speedtail. It can do 250mph but it can also cruise to the opera, all without changing a thing. What a way to spend the day that sounds.

Clearly, then, there's a lot to be kept occupied by at McLaren Automotive currently - as an aside, MSO's work has tripled in the past two years - and Flewitt will be responsible for keeping sales high once the record years inevitably stop. Given the calibre of the cars being produced, and his ideas for further advancing them, there seems no reason to doubt its continued success.


 

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GranCab

Original Poster:

2,902 posts

146 months

Thursday 7th March 2019
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Let's hope it's more of a real GT than the 570GT..

I had my name down on a 570GT, a couple of years ago, to replace my Maserati Granturismo but when I found out it was just a 570S with a different roof and softer suspension ... (and an engine that sounded like a 4 pot hot hatch) I cancelled my interest.

wab172uk

2,005 posts

227 months

Thursday 7th March 2019
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Surely a proper GT has a front engine and a big boot? Porsche Panamera type car.

£50 McLarens GT car will be the same carbon tub as the rest of it's cars. Mid engine like the rest of it's cars. And it'll have (surprise surprise) the same 3.8 Twin Turbo V8 engine is whatever state of tune

GhellopeSir

70 posts

80 months

Thursday 7th March 2019
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Reason 1. Cash
Reason 2. Money

f1ten

2,161 posts

153 months

Thursday 7th March 2019
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I’m intrigued as to what this model will be but as above guess engine and chassis will be familiar

ghost83

5,478 posts

190 months

Thursday 7th March 2019
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A gt should seat 4 and waft across Europe whilst carrying luggage! If it can’t do that it’s not a gt!

Bentley cgt Porsche Panamera estate or Ferrari ff/gtc Lusso fits the bill

I wouldn’t buy it even if I had the money

Matty3

1,178 posts

84 months

Thursday 7th March 2019
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ghost83 said:
A gt should seat 4 and waft across Europe whilst carrying luggage! If it can’t do that it’s not a gt!

Bentley cgt Porsche Panamera estate or Ferrari ff/gtc Lusso fits the bill

I wouldn’t buy it even if I had the money
Then you won't be buying it then smile and get your caps sorted wink




ghost83

5,478 posts

190 months

Thursday 7th March 2019
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Matty3 said:
Then you won't be buying it then smile and get your caps sorted wink
Caps?

GranCab

Original Poster:

2,902 posts

146 months

Thursday 7th March 2019
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Capitals... as in Capital Letters ...

o0Bee0o

4 posts

110 months

Friday 8th March 2019
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'McLaren back on the grid at Le Mans' - and back of the grid in F1!

Joking aside, McLaren's journey, from 2009-present, to become a leading sportscar manufacturer has been astonishing. You can honestly see them entering any segment of the sportscar market and making a success of it!

DeejRC

5,797 posts

82 months

Friday 8th March 2019
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GT's have traditionally seated 2 not 4, had 2 doors and been Berlinettas. Bentleys have always been the exception to the rule.
Ferrari GTs have always been 2 seaters with a luggage rack. Their 4 seat cars were lux transport were never conceived as GT motors.
GTs have been both front and mid engined.

E65Ross

35,080 posts

212 months

Friday 8th March 2019
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The Chiron is also a stunningly capable GT car IMO, yet only has 2 seats.

Cheib

23,250 posts

175 months

Friday 8th March 2019
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DeejRC said:
GT's have traditionally seated 2 not 4, had 2 doors and been Berlinettas. Bentleys have always been the exception to the rule.
Ferrari GTs have always been 2 seaters with a luggage rack. Their 4 seat cars were lux transport were never conceived as GT motors.
GTs have been both front and mid engined.
Yup. You’d be hoping it’s an F12/Superfast equivalent. Not sure I see that though as it’s a massive change in architecture and would be expensive to do. Current cars are all variations on a theme...I.e. mid-engined.

sparta6

3,698 posts

100 months

Friday 8th March 2019
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DeejRC said:
GT's have traditionally seated 2 not 4, had 2 doors and been Berlinettas. Bentleys have always been the exception to the rule.
Ferrari GTs have always been 2 seaters with a luggage rack. Their 4 seat cars were lux transport were never conceived as GT motors.
GTs have been both front and mid engined.
The 365 GTC4 was certainly a fine GT.

DeejRC

5,797 posts

82 months

Friday 8th March 2019
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And? So was the 330 and earlier iterations of the 365 before it. What’s more it was a 2+2 with bugger all headroom in the back and sod all legroom.
Any notions it could carry 4 ppl anywhere other than to the nearest Osteopathy clinic is stretching a point thinner than an anorexic chicken.
I say that entirely as someone who who has long harboured a love for the unfashionable 4 seat Donkeys and can’t believe he didn’t buy any of the 330 or 365s that were available when in the £30ks region frown

AmosMoses

4,042 posts

165 months

Friday 8th March 2019
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I'd love to see them make a front engine GT just to see what they could do, cant see it happening though.

bunyarra

310 posts

212 months

Friday 8th March 2019
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DeejRC said:
And? So was the 330 and earlier iterations of the 365 before it. What’s more it was a 2+2 with bugger all headroom in the back and sod all legroom.
Any notions it could carry 4 ppl anywhere other than to the nearest Osteopathy clinic is stretching a point thinner than an anorexic chicken.
I say that entirely as someone who who has long harboured a love for the unfashionable 4 seat Donkeys and can’t believe he didn’t buy any of the 330 or 365s that were available when in the £30ks region frown
Award for first post in PH to make me smile today smile

Yes, GT's have usually not been 4 door cars - think those are called ... saloons. GT moniker applied for marketing purposes as it made them sexier.

The 2+2 stretched the consensus on the definition of a GT but still meant only 2 real people. Not a single adult ever decided the rear of my old XKs could even be sat in yet alone tolerated for the shortest of drives.

I would argue my 570GT does fulfil most of the requirements. It's suspension in normal setting is better than by boggo Golf, takes 2 long squishy bags behind the seats with ease and a fairly respectable amount if the froot. Can drive for hours and still emerge without speed dialling the chiropractor.

Bright Halo

2,966 posts

235 months

Friday 8th March 2019
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I just wish they would launch a car that wasin the circa £50k-£60k bracket as a Alpine rival or suchlike.
I am sure they would do it very well and it is the only way I could possibly get into Mclaren ownership.

E65Ross

35,080 posts

212 months

Friday 8th March 2019
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Bright Halo said:
I just wish they would launch a car that wasin the circa £50k-£60k bracket as a Alpine rival or suchlike.
I am sure they would do it very well and it is the only way I could possibly get into Mclaren ownership.
Maybe so, but it's not the value the brand want. Same with Ferrari, Lamborghini, Bentley, Rolls Royce or any other "high end" manufacturer.

FWDRacer

3,564 posts

224 months

Friday 8th March 2019
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Whole naming convention for the models is utterly bamboozling.


E65Ross

35,080 posts

212 months

Friday 8th March 2019
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FWDRacer said:
Whole naming convention for the models is utterly bamboozling.
Really? 720S - 720hp sports car, 570S - 570hp sports car, 600LT - 600hp "long tail" version of the 570S which is more track focused, Senna - track focused top model, Speedtail - "speed" and "tail"....aero based fast car.

Not that complex.