Volkswagen ID pre orders open May 8th
Discussion
SOL111 said:
This. Or incredibly slow.
One of the great things about EVs is that there is really no correlation between performance and efficiency (as long as you don't use the performance, obviously). I'll certainly be very impressed if VW can beat the Kona/Niro in terms of power-train ability per unit cost, but on the other hand I'm not sure they really need to yet because they can still fall back on the "German engineering quality" myth and their excellent perceived quality. Plus the far eastern offerings are all going to be suffering from massive under-supply for the near future anyway; ultimately it seems that at the moment anyone can sell as many EVs as they can source the batteries for.
Right now the Niro is definitely top the list for our most likely next family car but the ID might knock it off if VW get it right. Either way I'm hoping to get another five years out of our Octavia to give used prices a chance to settle down a bit.
Edited by kambites on Thursday 14th March 09:42
I tend to agree. If we were to take two £35k cars and one wore a Kia badge and the other a VW badge then assuming we have not accidentally selected our sample group of 100 buyers from a high end care-home but from the wider public group of typical purchasers of £35k cars, we all kind of know which car is going to win out. A little bit of rage difference or funding difference is not going to compete at that level of the market against the badge.
kambites said:
SOL111 said:
This. Or incredibly slow.
One of the great things about EVs is that there is really no correlation between performance and efficiency (as long as you don't use the performance, obviously). I'll certainly be very impressed if VW can beat the Kona/Niro in terms of power-train ability per unit cost, but on the other hand I'm not sure they really need to yet because they can still fall back on the "German engineering quality" myth and their excellent perceived quality. Plus the far eastern offerings are all going to be suffering from massive under-supply for the near future anyway; ultimately it seems that at the moment anyone can sell as many EVs as they can source the batteries for.
Right now the Niro is definitely top the list for our most likely next family car but the ID might knock it off if VW get it right. Either way I'm hoping to get another five years out of our Octavia to give used prices a chance to settle down a bit.
Edited by kambites on Thursday 14th March 09:42
When I said slow I meant that VW would make it deliberately slow so that people couldn't use the performance and sap the power. BMW have kind of done this with the i3. I imagine that wider tyres have reduced efficiency but I never use anything but sport mode as it's there. I tend to floor it everywhere.
Personally I'd still go for a Niro as it looks to be a cracking car. I don't get the VW thing though so would go for the warranty and high levels of kit. I may be wrong but don't think VW will get close.
If Skoda brought one out it'd be a different matter but don't think we'll see one for a while.
essayer said:
Too expensive
The Kona, Niro, Soul are all crossovers really
There’s nothing “small SUV” (Kodiaq, Tiguan, 3008, X3 etc) that’s a BEV, unless you step up to an I-Pace/Model X and £70k+
- seems a curious omission given the popularity of the small SUV class nowadays
So Sir is after the BMW IX3 when it comes out?The Kona, Niro, Soul are all crossovers really
There’s nothing “small SUV” (Kodiaq, Tiguan, 3008, X3 etc) that’s a BEV, unless you step up to an I-Pace/Model X and £70k+
- seems a curious omission given the popularity of the small SUV class nowadays
kambites said:
Will it be any cheaper than the i-Pace?
Allegedly around £58k, so I guess by a smidge. Poster was complaining about £70k prices... so I thought maybe £58k might be more in his budget.I don't see a small (if you can ever call one small) SUV BEV coming out at a sub £50k pricepoint for a while. Unless Tesla Model Y.
Yeah I think there's a few things working in VW favour for the ID. It's a custom platform for an EV and they're making all the right noises about packaging - RWD, Golf road space with the interior space of a Passat etc. As I mentioned in a previous comments, they're also desperate for good PR after Dieselgate and are pumping a lot of money into the project.
It all depends on the product and the price/range but I think the signs are looking really good. Currently I've got deposits down for a Tesla Model 3 and a Kona which is due in a couple of months. Still not sure which way I'll go, but the VW ID is definitely on the list.
It all depends on the product and the price/range but I think the signs are looking really good. Currently I've got deposits down for a Tesla Model 3 and a Kona which is due in a couple of months. Still not sure which way I'll go, but the VW ID is definitely on the list.
A big advantage is that they will be able to offer reasonable lease deals and frankly with EVs during this period of the market I think leasing and farming out all the value risk is a good thing. Dealership ubiquity should also mean it’s easy to throw the thing back to have niggles fixed.
It’s still an expensive car and you’ve really got to want an EV to be willing to pay £35k for a product whose most redeeming feature is that it’s a Golf on the outside but a Passat in the inside when you could save £10k on your upfront lease costs by just buying a Golf or a Passat depending on what size you want.
It’s still an expensive car and you’ve really got to want an EV to be willing to pay £35k for a product whose most redeeming feature is that it’s a Golf on the outside but a Passat in the inside when you could save £10k on your upfront lease costs by just buying a Golf or a Passat depending on what size you want.
It'll be interesting to see what sort of lease deals are available. Right now EV residuals are crazily strong but there's obviously no guarantee that will continue and indeed every reason to believe it will not once the battery supply issue is resolved. I guess VAG know as well as anyone when that tipping point is likely to come; I think the lease deals they offer will be a fascinating insight into how they expect supply and demand to balance out over the next few years.
kambites said:
It'll be interesting to see what sort of lease deals are available. Right now EV residuals are crazily strong but there's obviously no guarantee that will continue and indeed every reason to believe it will not once the battery supply issue is resolved. I guess VAG know as well as anyone when that tipping point is likely to come; I think the lease deals they offer will be a fascinating insight into how they expect supply and demand to balance out over the next few years.
I wouldn’t want to be the person charged with calculating the lease deals if there wasn’t a big margin in the price, that’s for sure. I imagine that Klaus is currently sitting at VAG Bank pondering two thoughts, the first being which arm to use when throwing the dart to arrive at a number and the second being how to ensure Hans gets the blame if it’s wrong. On paper, once volumes appear and settle, as you’d expect an EV to live longer than an ICE in the hands of a consumer numpty and to cost less to run, residuals should be better and so lease deals far more competitive than ICE. But if it’s all about a tech w
kfest then residuals in cars which aren’t the latest gadget could plummet. Who knows but I’m just glad I’m not Hans.
I assume this is the default ID.3 thread.
I ordered one but will cancel if Autocar is correct. The First Edition is offered with 3 trim levels. 'The UK will only be offered First-Plus' and given First-Max has the augmented reality head up display i will pass. It's a must have for me. Completely lacks the cool factor.
I ordered one but will cancel if Autocar is correct. The First Edition is offered with 3 trim levels. 'The UK will only be offered First-Plus' and given First-Max has the augmented reality head up display i will pass. It's a must have for me. Completely lacks the cool factor.
Burwood said:
I assume this is the default ID.3 thread.
I ordered one but will cancel if Autocar is correct. The First Edition is offered with 3 trim levels. 'The UK will only be offered First-Plus' and given First-Max has the augmented reality head up display i will pass. It's a must have for me. Completely lacks the cool factor.
Yeah I'm in the same boat. Pretty disappointed if we only get the mid spec. Hopefully there's plenty of time for VW to change their mind..I ordered one but will cancel if Autocar is correct. The First Edition is offered with 3 trim levels. 'The UK will only be offered First-Plus' and given First-Max has the augmented reality head up display i will pass. It's a must have for me. Completely lacks the cool factor.
Tophatron said:
Yeah I'm in the same boat. Pretty disappointed if we only get the mid spec. Hopefully there's plenty of time for VW to change their mind..
The spec thing is a bit bizarre. If you're flush enough to drop cash on a new premium car, you'll probably want a nice panorama roof and a HUD...(I pre-ordered in case a stork drops a bag of money on me in the next year)
untruth said:
Tophatron said:
Yeah I'm in the same boat. Pretty disappointed if we only get the mid spec. Hopefully there's plenty of time for VW to change their mind..
The spec thing is a bit bizarre. If you're flush enough to drop cash on a new premium car, you'll probably want a nice panorama roof and a HUD...(I pre-ordered in case a stork drops a bag of money on me in the next year)
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