RE: Defender at the Nurburgring!

RE: Defender at the Nurburgring!

Thursday 28th March

Land Rover Defender tests with inline-six: Video!

Is JLR developing a high-powered petrol version of the upcoming Defender? This spy footage suggests it is...



UPDATE - 28.03.2019

New footage of a Land Rover Defender charging around the Nurburgring suggests JLR is developing a sporting variant that will use its new turbocharged six-cylinder engine. Although largely obscured by the loud tyre noise produced by its wide rubber, the smooth tone of a petrol six can be heard from within the bowels of this test car, which we must say, is being driven in a manner not usually assigned to Defenders.

The new 3.0-litre inline-six, which supersedes JLR’s V6 of the same capacity, has already been introduced via the Range Rover Sport HST, where it produces 400hp. We know the unit will be tuned to suit different applications, so, if it does find its way into a Defender, it wouldn’t necessarily be as potent. But it does back ongoing speculation that JLR will launch a quick(er) Defender to appease demand for such a variant.

The company may well have been buoyed by the success of its Defender Works V8, which sold out in just four weeks at the start of 2018. But while that final version of the old Defender was still very much a rugged machine true to the early cars, the upcoming 2020 car will be based upon JLR’s new aluminium Modular Longitudinal Architecture (MLA), meaning it will be an entirely different proposition and one better prepared for a powerful engine.

The effects of the MLA’s setup are clear in the way the spied development off-roader appears comfortable being flung around the mini Karussell, its independent rear suspension doing a good job of keeping the boxy body upright. It also points to a stiffened suspension setup to join those large diameter alloys. That’s not to suggest an inline-six Defender would necessarily be a full-blown road-biased version in the vein of an SVR; the thickness of the tyre walls hinting at an unimpeded off-road ability.

Few of us would doubt the sales potential of a hot Defender, but would its introduction harm the model’s reputation amongst enthusiasts? Let us know what you think below. 

ORIGINAL STORY - 19.03.2019


When even a murky picture of a Defender interior can generate pages and pages of comments, images of the car lapping the Nurburgring should fill the forum to bursting point. Prepare your best responses...

There are so many question - why probably being the main one. The closest an old Defender will have got to a lap of the 'ring would have been pulling a car from the gravel at Aremberg, so to see the new car there deliberately doing a lap is something of a surprise. Or is it? The Defender's road manners will have to be improved this time around, and arguably there isn't a much better place to sign off dynamic behaviour in extremis than the Nordschleife. Naturally the road routes in the UK will be a priority for testing, but road cars are tested on this circuit so frequently for a reason - because so much challenge is packed into such a relatively short amount of distance and time.

Further interest comes from working out just what this Defender is. Previous development mules have sported smaller wheels (including one on the rear), which this one has ditched in favour of lower profile tyres and bigger rims. Note too a new exhaust arrangement; before two pipes have been paired to the side, whereas now they exit separately. Could this be a sportier petrol model, where those we've already seen have been diesel? It'll be a shock to the die-hard fans to see a Defender with any kind of focus beyond scaling every mountain and fording every stream, but there can be no denying the demands of modern customers.


Otherwise, it's the silhouette that's become familiar over the past few months, boxy and blocky in the best Defender tradition. While there's still plenty of cladding to disguise the true Defender details underneath, it would seem the basic proportions are nailed on - the overhangs are short, the wheels pushed right out to the corners, and the curves that have come to characterise recent Land Rover design conspicuous by their absence. Furthermore, while it's not exactly at home on the track, heaving about on its springs quite markedly, there's no doubting it'll be a heck of a lot more composed (and faster) than any previous Defender you care to mention.

So that's the latest in the new Defender story: it has been around the Nordschleife at least once. With it still believed to be a 2020 car, expect more surprises to follow - a run at Santa Pod, perhaps - over the next few months. It's getting closer!

Matt Bird




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PeteArcher

Original Poster:

1 posts

10 months

Tuesday 19th March
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Wow.

romac

68 posts

86 months

Tuesday 19th March
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Oh yes! Promises well for the replacement mud-plugger! rolleyes It's a Defender Jim, but not as we know it.

manracer

798 posts

37 months

Tuesday 19th March
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this article will trigger so many....

krisdelta

3,844 posts

141 months

Tuesday 19th March
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Well it doesn't look very agricultural - are they abandoning the farmers to the Jimny? I hope the final product is as moorish to look at as the outgoing model.

CharlieAlphaMike

297 posts

45 months

Tuesday 19th March
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Must buy some popcorn for this thread blablamoanroflwhistlepartycoffeesoapbox

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warch

1,261 posts

94 months

Tuesday 19th March
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Defender 90s always had quite neat off road manners when the suspension wasn't worn, you could chuck them around quite nicely on a country road. All the weight was quite low down (aluminium superstructure) so you didn't get much body roll. They do motorsport too, usually rallying and hill rallying.

richs2891

745 posts

193 months

Tuesday 19th March
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Lol its probably the upcoming Defender Sport in the pics

BFleming

950 posts

83 months

Tuesday 19th March
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Publicity only at the Nurburgring; actual eval & testing will be completed much closer to home. Now, where's home again? biggrin

300bhp/ton

36,239 posts

130 months

Tuesday 19th March
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Interesting video about the new Defender here:
https://youtu.be/Y3kK04fvDRQ

Miserablegit

411 posts

49 months

Tuesday 19th March
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Doesn't bode well...25 different bodystyles of EvokeSportDicoverySportDefender and they all look the same (bar FFRR and Velar)...

I think the issue is that prior to the run-out LR were only selling about 20,000 Defenders so LR have (possibly) quite correctly, given up on that market and are trying to carve another area out.

The Td5 was agricultural but was fine - I stil use mine for runs up to Scotland and it performs faultlessly. Didn't upgrade it as the newer ford engines were less refined and weren't built for off-road from day one.
I had high hopes for the new defender but I'm secretly quite happy as it's one less reason to replace what I've got.

I do feel sorry for the businesses who used to convert defenders for lift/crane work etc as I doubt the new platform will be as configurable/ cheap.


simonbamg

232 posts

63 months

Tuesday 19th March
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we need lap times

Bladedancer

968 posts

136 months

Tuesday 19th March
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Why?

Defender was a real offroader and you usually go test those on cross country tracks and not on the 'ring.
Unless next Defender will be yet another SUV from LR lineup?

Hurricane52

121 posts

63 months

Tuesday 19th March
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warch said:
Defender 90s always had quite neat off road manners when the suspension wasn't worn, you could chuck them around quite nicely on a country road. All the weight was quite low down (aluminium superstructure) so you didn't get much body roll. They do motorsport too, usually rallying and hill rallying.
An engineer chap I met did his apprenticeship at Landrover I think in the late sixties early seventies when they had a circuit in the factory backyard. Before the bodywork was stapled and riveted on, they had to test drive the bare chassis with a rudimentary seat. He said being kids at the time, the challenge was to try and tip one over, but no-one could.

Cold

6,506 posts

30 months

Tuesday 19th March
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300bhp/ton said:
Interesting video about the new Defender here:
https://youtu.be/Y3kK04fvDRQ
Got bored of that nonsense very early on. He seems most happy when welding up things with leaf springs while setting the dwell angle on his car's points.
Anything else is far too progressive and modern for him.

mrbarnett

298 posts

33 months

Tuesday 19th March
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So it's the new Freelander, then?

ian_cab28

183 posts

157 months

Tuesday 19th March
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This is going to be the car the discovery 5 should have been... sharp/ angular decent on road with capability off it.

It is a plastic treadplate pastiche of the old defender no parallels at all to the old modular farmer / safari vehicle, the grenadier is going to fill that gap. LR will have yet another variant of a sub range rover , they are hooked on the high margin low volume lux SUV market & don't have the balls or the engineering brains to be truly radical and reinvent the defender for the 2020's.

If you want a disco 5 with a heritage vibe to the
Old defender this is it. Otherwise don't get too excited waiting for reveal.

Nerdherder

547 posts

37 months

Tuesday 19th March
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Not my cupa probably, the new Defender, but we'll see.

P.s. A bit of fan art unfortunately, but with the demise of the defender I think Suzuki really ought to do THIS:


donkmeister

1,505 posts

40 months

Tuesday 19th March
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If a standard Defender is now posting 'ring times, I can't wait to see what Bowler can do with it.

r.g.

535 posts

152 months

Tuesday 19th March
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As said above:

PUBLICITY.

gifdy

1,843 posts

181 months

Tuesday 19th March
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Looks like a Discovery 3/4. Discovery 5 looks like moving into Range Rover territory. The new Projekt Grenadier looks like an inspired move, slotting in at the bottom of the LR/RR poncy scale where the Defender used to sit.