Star Wars IX: The Rise of Skywalker
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AshVX220 said:
And as the poster you replied to mentioned the dialogue etc, there was the apparent famous moment when Harrison ford told GL - "you can write this s
t George, but you can't say it" (or words to that effect).
I've read that David Mamet sits in the back of the theatre with his eyes closed to absorb the cadences of his words. t George, but you can't say it" (or words to that effect).If George Lucas did the same I assume they'd have to wake him up after a couple of minutes.
I read a book about the making of the original and Mark Hamill had to plead with him to drop some truly hair raising dialogue.
Saw the new movie recently and enjoyed it - went in expecting a typical "star wars" movie and wasn't disappointed. Although the critique that I would offer is that as with many hollywood movies these days it just felt "rushed".
Liea's death was rushed through, Chewy's death was rushed, 3PO's death was rushed. And then at no point during many of hollywood's movies does the film just sit back and allow the viewer to soak in to the environment. This is an important aspect of sci-fi movies for me. To feel "off-world" and somewhere else the movie should give more time towards settling in to another environment. The only other 'recent' movie that did this was Avatar a good few years ago.
But anyways, still enjoyed the movie as my expectations levels were not asking for anything spectacular - although I hope I'll get to see a spectacular immersive movie again sometime soon. (Wonder if its just the current batch of hollywood editors that feel they need to cram movies in to the smallest time slots, or whether the producers/directors are a bit disconnected with sci-fi fans?)
Thought Daisy's acting was spot on and convincing, much better than the first one she was in - and the story did take a few turns in to new directions. But I do think the narrative that "the dark side" will once again rise with a massive fleet of rather weakly defended spaceships to be destroyed by a group of riff-raff sporadic freelancers has run its course.
Liea's death was rushed through, Chewy's death was rushed, 3PO's death was rushed. And then at no point during many of hollywood's movies does the film just sit back and allow the viewer to soak in to the environment. This is an important aspect of sci-fi movies for me. To feel "off-world" and somewhere else the movie should give more time towards settling in to another environment. The only other 'recent' movie that did this was Avatar a good few years ago.
But anyways, still enjoyed the movie as my expectations levels were not asking for anything spectacular - although I hope I'll get to see a spectacular immersive movie again sometime soon. (Wonder if its just the current batch of hollywood editors that feel they need to cram movies in to the smallest time slots, or whether the producers/directors are a bit disconnected with sci-fi fans?)
Thought Daisy's acting was spot on and convincing, much better than the first one she was in - and the story did take a few turns in to new directions. But I do think the narrative that "the dark side" will once again rise with a massive fleet of rather weakly defended spaceships to be destroyed by a group of riff-raff sporadic freelancers has run its course.
bloomen said:
I've read that David Mamet sits in the back of the theatre with his eyes closed to absorb the cadences of his words.
If George Lucas did the same I assume they'd have to wake him up after a couple of minutes.
I read a book about the making of the original and Mark Hamill had to plead with him to drop some truly hair raising dialogue.
There is also the claim that after they had shot it the movie was saved in the editing. If George Lucas did the same I assume they'd have to wake him up after a couple of minutes.
I read a book about the making of the original and Mark Hamill had to plead with him to drop some truly hair raising dialogue.
Not to put down Lucas as he was a very creative and visionary film maker, but he should have recognised his limitations. He forgot them and then the prequels were the result.
JagLover said:
Not to put down Lucas as he was a very creative and visionary film maker, but he should have recognised his limitations. He forgot them and then the prequels were the result.
The first was largely a shocker. The second had some enjoyable bits if you close your eyes elsewhere. The third got properly into its stride and was pretty satisfying. Interesting to see what the reaction would be had those come out in the age of social media hysteria.
bloomen said:
The first was largely a shocker. The second had some enjoyable bits if you close your eyes elsewhere. The third got properly into its stride and was pretty satisfying.
Interesting to see what the reaction would be had those come out in the age of social media hysteria.
I broadly agree. The Phantom Menace was a bit boring, although I quite liked Liam Neeson, Darth Maul and the Pod Race. Jar Jar wasn't that annoying in actual fact, and the dialogue wasn't quite as bad as the next two films.Interesting to see what the reaction would be had those come out in the age of social media hysteria.
Attack of the Clones had decent action, quite a few exciting scenes especially the eponymous clones and Anakin admitting to killing the sand persons. Really really terrible dialogue, zero chemistry between actors, although Christopher Lee is mysteriously brilliant and lifts the few scenes he is in.
Revenge of the Sith is basically a continuation of the previous film, but with more dark side. The order 66 bit, slaughtering younglings and the killing of the Trade Federation is rather good, mainly because there isn't much dialogue. Yoda is still an irritant and has forgotten how he is supposed to talk. The battle between Obi Wan and Darth Vader is fine if you ignore the dialogue and the Big Nooooo! when Darth Vader thinks he has killed Mrs V makes me cringe.
Halb said:
warch said:
...the Big Nooooo! when Darth Vader thinks he has killed Mrs V makes me cringe.
ooof!Lucas has also inserted a 'nooooooo' or something into RotJ when Vader throws the Emperor down the shaft,
Went to see it with my wife this afternoon.
We both saw the original film in the cinema.
She reckons it's the best SW film since the original trilogy.
I'm less sure.
I very much agree with the comments about it feeling like a computer game. Lots lf great action, but not a lot of plot development or characterisation.
My son saw it recently too and he and I both thought the Ren Rey kiss was unlikely, it just didn't fit the characters' dynamic,we felt
It also felt like a lot of MCU films. Dozens of characters shoehorned in for a line or two, why?
On the positive side, it didn't flag and Harrison Ford stole the whole film for me, totally imposing Solo's character in a way none of the newer characters ever do (or even get a chance to).
On balance, I quite enjoyed it, but I won't be rushing to see it again.
M
We both saw the original film in the cinema.
She reckons it's the best SW film since the original trilogy.
I'm less sure.
I very much agree with the comments about it feeling like a computer game. Lots lf great action, but not a lot of plot development or characterisation.
My son saw it recently too and he and I both thought the Ren Rey kiss was unlikely, it just didn't fit the characters' dynamic,we felt
It also felt like a lot of MCU films. Dozens of characters shoehorned in for a line or two, why?
On the positive side, it didn't flag and Harrison Ford stole the whole film for me, totally imposing Solo's character in a way none of the newer characters ever do (or even get a chance to).
On balance, I quite enjoyed it, but I won't be rushing to see it again.
M
marcosgt said:
On balance, I quite enjoyed it, but I won't be rushing to see it again.
M
I think this is the key difference for me. I’ve seen all of the first trilogy multiple times. I’ve seen two of the second trilogy two or three times (couldn’t rewatch TROTS). M
I’ve seen the final trilogy and sort of enjoyed each episode, despite acknowledging the huge plot holes and flaws, but wouldn’t watch any of them again.
For me it felt like I was watching a Star Wars movie again but that was mostly down to Ian McDairmid (sp)
The last Jedi left such a mess that it might have worked better if TROS was over two parts. Things I didn’t like - the fake killing of chewie. Telegraphed from a mile away that he wasn’t really dead as it wasn’t a “big” enough or noble demise, and the whole Rey healing through the force wasn’t necessary. What should have happened is Leia was the one to speak to and heal a wounded and defeated Ben which brings him back to the light, and like Luke expires all her energy. Planet killing ships weren’t necessary, and they blew up the wrong planet, should have been the festival one for more impact, plus the biggest armada ever seen turning up at the end was just naff, along with how easily Palpatine died.
JJ Did the best he could with the mess Rian and Disney left him with. It’s such a shame he never got the entire trilogy. Although it would have been a rehash of the OT, imagine Snoke being in the emperors place. Not as iconic I admit, but much cleaner
The last Jedi left such a mess that it might have worked better if TROS was over two parts. Things I didn’t like - the fake killing of chewie. Telegraphed from a mile away that he wasn’t really dead as it wasn’t a “big” enough or noble demise, and the whole Rey healing through the force wasn’t necessary. What should have happened is Leia was the one to speak to and heal a wounded and defeated Ben which brings him back to the light, and like Luke expires all her energy. Planet killing ships weren’t necessary, and they blew up the wrong planet, should have been the festival one for more impact, plus the biggest armada ever seen turning up at the end was just naff, along with how easily Palpatine died.
JJ Did the best he could with the mess Rian and Disney left him with. It’s such a shame he never got the entire trilogy. Although it would have been a rehash of the OT, imagine Snoke being in the emperors place. Not as iconic I admit, but much cleaner
DSC OFF said:
...the end was just naff, along with how easily Palpatine died.
I thought that was really funny/pathetic.-KIll me now so I can enter you and win!
-No!
seconds later kills him which is exactly what he wanted!
I thought if her eyes glow at the end and she cackles, that would have been 1,000 times better than what we got, would have been pretty cool!
Halb said:
I thought that was really funny/pathetic.
-KIll me now so I can enter you and win!
-No!
seconds later kills him which is exactly what he wanted!
I thought if her eyes glow at the end and she cackles, that would have been 1,000 times better than what we got, would have been pretty cool!
I wanted Rey to turn too, it would have made so much sense for the story, but this is Disney, and they wouldn’t dare risk such an edgy direction with their cash cow and the force is female message. I can hear Maude Flanders in Kennedy’s office screaming “won’t somebody think of the children” regarding the message it would send. But then no, Rey is good, turns bad, then is redeemed but not without a serious consequence...that’s a decent message to kids if they would have just been braver -KIll me now so I can enter you and win!
-No!
seconds later kills him which is exactly what he wanted!
I thought if her eyes glow at the end and she cackles, that would have been 1,000 times better than what we got, would have been pretty cool!
DSC OFF said:
Rey is good, turns bad, then is redeemed but not without a serious consequence...that’s a decent message to kids if they would have just been braver
What, exactly like Kylo Ren/Ben Solo did you mean?The super-powered Star Destroyers, clone Emperor and transferal of life force stuff were all laid out in a canon story written in the early 1990s and referred to by George Lucas as one of his favourite stories, until he did a reverse ferret when he wrote his prequel trilogy and decided it obliviated Darth Vader's redemption in Return of the Jedi. IIRC though the Emperor died in the original version because Han Solo shot him.
warch said:
What, exactly like Kylo Ren/Ben Solo did you mean?
The super-powered Star Destroyers, clone Emperor and transferal of life force stuff were all laid out in a canon story written in the early 1990s and referred to by George Lucas as one of his favourite stories, until he did a reverse ferret when he wrote his prequel trilogy and decided it obliviated Darth Vader's redemption in Return of the Jedi. IIRC though the Emperor died in the original version because Han Solo shot him.
Aware of how Lucas had it going down but avoiding the sequels was one of his better decisions. Kylo is introduced as a bad guy, Rey doesn’t really go on much of a journey. I think the Trilogy would have been better if the second film ended on a bleak note with the resistance facing the prospect of both Ren & Rey being dark side users The super-powered Star Destroyers, clone Emperor and transferal of life force stuff were all laid out in a canon story written in the early 1990s and referred to by George Lucas as one of his favourite stories, until he did a reverse ferret when he wrote his prequel trilogy and decided it obliviated Darth Vader's redemption in Return of the Jedi. IIRC though the Emperor died in the original version because Han Solo shot him.
DSC OFF said:
Rey doesn’t really go on much of a journey. I think the Trilogy would have been better if the second film ended on a bleak note with the resistance facing the prospect of both Ren & Rey being dark side users
I like your way of thinking. It would've been a massive additional kick in the bks for the Resistance too, nearly wiped out, marooned on Crait and unable to break out of the cave they were trapped in.I think the Star Wars lore is wedded to the idea of balance between the two sides of the force so you can't have all dark side sadly. I thought before the new film came out that they might kill all the Jedi/Sith off, on the basis that they are collectively a massive pain in the arse and that the universe is better off without them. Probably a bit of a stretch too far, they are the poster boys/girls for the film series.
warch said:
I thought before the new film came out that they might kill all the Jedi/Sith off, on the basis that they are collectively a massive pain in the arse and that the universe is better off without them.
NIce idea.The Last Jedi is mostly an embarrassment, but for me it had one scene which felt like Star Wars and felt new and exciting, the bit where Rylo and Ren consider joining up and leaving the empire and the rebels alone (I did wonder at the time, and posted so here, that it felt like it was directed by someone other than Rian, it had a different tone to the rest of then film), it felt pretty amazing...an then it was ditched instantly, and like everything else in the film and in the 3rd one, something was teased and then wiped away in seconds because they didn't want to follow through with it. THat's one of the main troubles with thee films. They'll be forgotten in ten years, forget 40.
finally saw this yesterday - waited ages for cinemas to clear so people wouldnt annoy me and some tt sat 3 seats away in a cinema of 4 people and eat his own bodyweight in popcorn and crisps. I moved half way.
so was disappointed. the first half especially was all over the place and 30 mins in I was a bit bored tbh. the bloke eating next to me might have put me off the first half.
Have no compulsion to watch bits again like i did with the last one which I thought was the best yet.
Still had a cry when han solo appeared and a bit at the end as for me its an end of an era.
so a few good bits but on the whole a bit of a wasted opportunity and many holes in the plot. may have been my mood though i ffing hate the cinema. well people..
t sat 3 seats away in a cinema of 4 people and eat his own bodyweight in popcorn and crisps. I moved half way.so was disappointed. the first half especially was all over the place and 30 mins in I was a bit bored tbh. the bloke eating next to me might have put me off the first half.
Have no compulsion to watch bits again like i did with the last one which I thought was the best yet.
Still had a cry when han solo appeared and a bit at the end as for me its an end of an era.
so a few good bits but on the whole a bit of a wasted opportunity and many holes in the plot. may have been my mood though i ffing hate the cinema. well people..
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