RE: 2020 Porsche Panamera caught testing

RE: 2020 Porsche Panamera caught testing

Friday 3rd May 2019

2020 Porsche Panamera caught testing

A facelifted Panamera is due next year. Cue the first development mules...



Last week we were eulogising the decade-long life span of the Panamera; this week, we bring you the very first spy shots of the 'new' version, expected to go on sale next year. Such is the way with automotive life cycles - especially Porsche's, which rotate with the certainty of the earth's orbit around the sun.

Thus we know not to get too excited about the forthcoming model; the second generation, after all, is barely three years old, so we're likely talking gentle mid-life facelift rather than boat-rocking wholesale change. Still, who doesn't love another excuse to reappraise the appearance of Porsche's one and only saloon?

Certainly the earliest test mule suggests that none of the Panamera's divisiveness is going away. As ever it was, the car is about the physical limits of its maker's 911-fixated design language. Whether or not it suits a large, four-door family car is still open to lengthy and subjective interpretation. Whatever you think though, Porsche is gamely sticking with it.


It must do so now in the light of one salient fact: that soon the Panamera will not be alone thanks to the arrival of the slightly smaller and much more hushed Taycan. From what we've seen of the EV-only model, it bears more than a passing resemblance to its petrol-burning stablemate - not least because it draws from a similarly limited stockpile of Porsche styling cues - yet the manufacturer will be keen to distinguish between the two in showrooms.

For now though the most notable thing about the development car in question is that the only part to receive any camouflaging is the boot lid, which suggests that the designers have likely busied themselves with the task of bringing the new Panamera in line with the rear end of the 992. Which sounds about right, frankly.

Elsewhere you can expect much the same lineup of combustion engines and combustion engines with hybrid bits attached. The far juicier rumour circulating the internet concerns the oft-mooted two-door Panamera, which has a venerable history of appearing on drawing boards and thereafter in the imagination of motoring journalists. Whether it makes it further than either, we wait to see.





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Turbobanana

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202 months

Friday 3rd May 2019
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Nic said:
Still, who doesn't love another excuse to reappraise the appearance of Porsche's one and only saloon?
Umm, me actually. Horrible looking things to my mind. Probably drive quite well though.

RammyMP

6,786 posts

154 months

Friday 3rd May 2019
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That’s new? Are you sure? Looks the same as the old one?

CyCy

149 posts

81 months

Friday 3rd May 2019
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Really like the Sport Turismo Turbo S-E Superfkinglongname Hybrid. That wagon form factor in something with exec interiors, 700hp, full-electric mode (and a V8 when you want to be a yob), and good ride quality is so much WANT.

aazer89

542 posts

145 months

Friday 3rd May 2019
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Is it just me or is it getting uglier?

MarkM3Evoplus

808 posts

201 months

Friday 3rd May 2019
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nah, about the same ugliness as it's predecessors...

hornbaek

3,679 posts

236 months

Friday 3rd May 2019
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Agree - looks even worse.

RedWhiteMonkey

6,863 posts

183 months

Friday 3rd May 2019
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As I live very close to Zuffenhausen I'll keep an eye out for one. Those are stickers on the hatch lid?

I quite like Panameras, I'd love one as the family workhorse.

E65Ross

35,118 posts

213 months

Friday 3rd May 2019
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I might be wrong, but isn't this a test mule? In which case all the posts about the styling are a bit, well, daft?

louiebaby

10,651 posts

192 months

Friday 3rd May 2019
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RedWhiteMonkey said:
As I live very close to Zuffenhausen I'll keep an eye out for one. Those are stickers on the hatch lid?
They must be, the full width light bar across the range is new enough to not be ditched yet, surely?

The little holes in the stickers look to be the spot for something like the reversing or fog nights in the main bar.

I 8 a 4RE

351 posts

242 months

Friday 3rd May 2019
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Whoever designed that go-go-gadget spoiler deserves a high five ... in the face ... with a chair!

Ridiculousness, but I guess it's cash cows like this that allow for the creation of manuals and GT2/3 RS cars...

Turbobanana

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202 months

Friday 3rd May 2019
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E65Ross said:
I might be wrong, but isn't this a test mule? In which case all the posts about the styling are a bit, well, daft?
... is one view.

Another is that you can't polish a turd.

NJ72

183 posts

99 months

Friday 3rd May 2019
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Think about it this way, the A6 and A7 both have daft continuous lights across the back.

Porsche want you to think it's not an A7 with a pork sticker on it, so they've cunning hidden the continuous light bar across the back with a hooge sticker.

I'd ask how stupid they think consumers are, but I imagine the people who spunk money on an iPhone every year will spunk money on a new 'not-Audi' too... Despite the external appearance, which can only really be described as warped and unattractive.

E65Ross

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213 months

Friday 3rd May 2019
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NJ72 said:
Think about it this way, the A6 and A7 both have daft continuous lights across the back.

Porsche want you to think it's not an A7 with a pork sticker on it, so they've cunning hidden the continuous light bar across the back with a hooge sticker.

I'd ask how stupid they think consumers are, but I imagine the people who spunk money on an iPhone every year will spunk money on a new 'not-Audi' too... Despite the external appearance, which can only really be described as warped and unattractive.
But it doesn't have the same interior, wheels, suspension, engine/gearbox mapping etc as the Audi, does it? I think people confuse platform sharing with "the same car". If they were literally just rebadged, a Bentley Bentayga would be identical to drive as a Lamborghini Urus, and it just isn't.

JohnCarlisleApeiron

93 posts

67 months

Friday 3rd May 2019
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In the last shot. The boot hatch looks like it takes its design cues from an old BR Intercity 125. Spray it yellow and blue, squint a bit. Try not to laugh frown

JC

Panjy

162 posts

147 months

Friday 3rd May 2019
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I saw the rear and thought “ that’s quite nice “
Unfortunately i then saw the front.....

NJ72

183 posts

99 months

Friday 3rd May 2019
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E65Ross said:
But it doesn't have the same interior, wheels, suspension, engine/gearbox mapping etc as the Audi, does it? I think people confuse platform sharing with "the same car". If they were literally just rebadged, a Bentley Bentayga would be identical to drive as a Lamborghini Urus, and it just isn't.
I'm not confusing things at all. The platform is an Audi A7, which is why it shares the same general dimensions - I'm certain that it is also, despite what a lot of people will surely claim, designed with the same electronic components in mind - like the rear light bar across the back.

Shock, horror, the Panamera gets updated and the A7 follows shortly after... Next you'll be saying that the Golf and the A3 are completely different cars... I find it very unlikely.

nickfrog

21,214 posts

218 months

Friday 3rd May 2019
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Turbobanana said:
E65Ross said:
I might be wrong, but isn't this a test mule? In which case all the posts about the styling are a bit, well, daft?
... is one view.

Another is that you can't polish a turd.
And another maybe that looks are subjective.

Mosdef

1,741 posts

228 months

Friday 3rd May 2019
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NJ72 said:
I'm not confusing things at all. The platform is an Audi A7, which is why it shares the same general dimensions - I'm certain that it is also, despite what a lot of people will surely claim, designed with the same electronic components in mind - like the rear light bar across the back.

Shock, horror, the Panamera gets updated and the A7 follows shortly after... Next you'll be saying that the Golf and the A3 are completely different cars... I find it very unlikely.
I’m pretty sure the platform is the recent VAG MSB platform, which I think is the basis for the new Continental GT, possibly the Bentayga, the Urus, the Audi A8 as well as the Panamera (all fairly similar dimensions). I don’t know whether it does the Audi A6 or A7 but suspect there’s plenty of component sharing going on, albeit tuning, trimming, driving characteristics etc will all vary significantly.

I very much doubt the rear light bar styling/set up of the Panamera and A7 are shared in any way. Lights are pretty easy to deal with at minimal (if any) cost. It’s just LEDs that need to be plugged in after all and the body panels aren’t even shared.

I don’t think anyone would dispute the close connection between an A3 and a Golf and there probably is a similar relationship between the A7 and Panamera but suspect they feel less connected than the Golf and A3 because the set ups will be quite distinct.


Edited by Mosdef on Friday 3rd May 21:28

PomBstard

6,791 posts

243 months

Friday 3rd May 2019
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Whilst the front styling might be divisive, I like that Porsche have continued with the smooth front despite having a decent engine under the bonnet. I’m sure it’s a huge headache for cooling but its a good change from the massive horrible snouts that now blight Audi, BMW and others.


fatboy b

9,500 posts

217 months

Friday 3rd May 2019
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Another gruelling day in the Porsche design studio hehe