RE: Porsche 911 Carrera S vs Audi R8 RWS: PH Video!

RE: Porsche 911 Carrera S vs Audi R8 RWS: PH Video!

Monday 6th May

Porsche 911 Carrera S vs Audi R8 RWS: PH Video!

The new 911 CS is a £93k car, which edges it into nearly-new supercar territory...



I don’t really need to tell you this video is a proper Porsche 911 (992) geek-out, because the moment I mention the slightly dissatisfying action of the electric window switch at the three-minute mark, that much should become clear. The objective here was to get underneath the skin of the new 911 on roads we know well. To really interrogate it. Every time Porsche’s rear-engined sports car regenerates people like me ask the same hackneyed question: does it still feel like a 911?

Not wanting to break with tradition that’s exactly the question I pose in this vid. Because while it mightn’t be a particularly imaginative thing to ask, I do think it’s a necessary thing to ask, more so at a time when the 911 is getting bigger, heavier, more sophisticated and - outwardly at least - quite unlike those very compact and fizzy sports cars that built the 911 legend.

I also wanted to address the sheer cost of the thing, because if a single 911 Carrera S leaves a UK showroom with a five-figure sum on its sales invoice, I’ll be amazed. With a list price of Β£93,000 the Carrera S is now in practice a Β£100,000 car, which to me is supercar money. That’s why the 992 goes up against a nearly-new Audi R8 (perhaps β€˜junior supercar’ is a better description) at the tail end of this film. If you’re paying supercar money, you want a supercar experience, don’t you?

Thank you for watching. This is the first in a series of videos that I’ll be making for PH along with videographer Harry Rudd. Anything that’s good about this video is down to him. Hope you enjoy it. And don't forget to subscribe to be the first to see our new videos!


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Original Poster:

751 posts

190 months

Saturday 4th May
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Personally I don't think the R8 has aged well. It now looks a very oddly shaped/proportioned car. Fantastic engine though!

redroadster

1,018 posts

179 months

Saturday 4th May
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Porsche are most profitable car company in world for a reason ,fools keep paying more and more for cars .

justin220

4,219 posts

151 months

Saturday 4th May
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Good video, although would have been good to include a McLaren/Ferrari/Lamborghini type car at the same budget. 911 is difficult to beat as an all rounder but personally wouldn't be spending my £100k on a R8 if I was looking for a supercar experience

dvshannow

967 posts

83 months

Saturday 4th May
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redroadster said:
Porsche are most profitable car company in world for a reason ,fools keep paying more and more for cars .
Uh huh.... and why do they keep doing that?

Nubiann

7 posts

6 months

Saturday 4th May
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Just get the feeling your conclusion is a little conforming to stereotype. Universally the R8 has been credited with being the best supercar to live with and use everyday but add to this your affirmation that the R8 is the most exciting of the two on a cross country blast, surely it should have informed your final choice. So I'm puzzled by the reason for choosing the somewhat anonymous 911, it does appear a bit me too and lame. The RWS will no doubt become a classic due to its relative rarity. You suggest the Porsche has to be pushed to its limits to get the excitement factor from it, to me you are describing a 911 that is inferior to the RWS in every area. Last weekend I was out having Sunday lunch in a very affluent market town in South Wales. There were 4 Porsches parked prominently in the space of 100 metres yet the head turner and I mean everyone, watched as an immaculate Gen 1 R8 burbled slowly up the street stopped outside a local store with a cash point. An unassuming guy, classily unaware that his beautiful ride was getting so much attention, got his cash, re fired the V8 and burbled slowly away out of town. You could hear the universal sighs of approval. R8 all R8's seem to get more admiring glances than Porsche's it's not the only reason I'd choose the R8 but I must admit its on the list. So R8 RWS for me hands down and that's not me being brave

Edited by Nubiann on Saturday 4th May 09:55

Wills2

16,156 posts

122 months

Saturday 4th May
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The 911 for me every time.


Raygun

2,894 posts

67 months

Saturday 4th May
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dvshannow said:
redroadster said:
Porsche are most profitable car company in world for a reason ,fools keep paying more and more for cars .
Uh huh.... and why do they keep doing that?
Bit of a cult thing going on?

C.MW

179 posts

16 months

Saturday 4th May
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These cars are nothing without a sense of occasion however good their practicality or refinement may be. I wouldn't put my own hard-earned cash on either one of them but the audi seems better at blending everyday usability with excitement.

Edited by C.MW on Saturday 4th May 10:46

Terminator X

8,058 posts

151 months

Saturday 4th May
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What happened at 12:37 in the R8 wink

TX.

wab172uk

1,453 posts

174 months

Saturday 4th May
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Having owned the previous gen R8, I'd go 911 this time. Only not the new 992 ..... yet

I'm more inclined to get a 991 GTS, then wait a good few years till the 992 GTS get's onto the second hand market.

Nerdherder

1,637 posts

44 months

Saturday 4th May
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Terminator X said:
What happened at 12:37 in the R8 wink

TX.
Lol.

V10 R8 for me please out of these two. If I’d have the money it would be an older 911 GT3 for the fun drives.

av185

9,544 posts

74 months

Saturday 4th May
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redroadster said:
Porsche are most profitable car company in world for a reason ,fools keep paying more and more for cars .
Yep the very same fools who benefit from Porsche being the least depreciating if not appreciating ££ cars. rolleyes

Mike1963

10 posts

52 months

Saturday 4th May
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People love to hate 911's - I'm on my 5th - but I've been lucky enough to drive most things and I've been through Aston (2), Ferrari (2) and I've test driven most of the obvious competitors. Today I'm lucky enough to have an F12 and a Gen 1 GT3. The gen 1 gt3 is in a different league to the F12 and "it just works". Porsches might be annoying to non-owners - but they are just brilliant.

Recently I drove a cooking 996 and it was also great fun.

If you want to get a road sports car and have 30k - get a 911 if you've 150k, err, get a 911.

fernando the frog

288 posts

15 months

Saturday 4th May
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redroadster said:
Porsche are most profitable car company in world for a reason ,fools keep paying more and more for cars .
ever heard of inflation?

V8mate

42,873 posts

136 months

Saturday 4th May
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Really enjoyed watching that. Very good presenter.

Glad to hear that PH will be doing more video reviews thumbup

C.MW

179 posts

16 months

Saturday 4th May
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Mike1963 said:
People love to hate 911's - I'm on my 5th - but I've been lucky enough to drive most things and I've been through Aston (2), Ferrari (2) and I've test driven most of the obvious competitors. Today I'm lucky enough to have an F12 and a Gen 1 GT3. The gen 1 gt3 is in a different league to the F12 and "it just works". Porsches might be annoying to non-owners - but they are just brilliant.

Recently I drove a cooking 996 and it was also great fun.

If you want to get a road sports car and have 30k - get a 911 if you've 150k, err, get a 911.
The 911 chassis may be more capable and eventually produce better numbers but there is no denying the theatre only a big normally aspirated engine can offer, and it's not like the R8 is miles behind handling wise.

I see it this way: the 911, despite being inherently quirky with its RR layout, has somehow managed to become the Golf of performance cars. I think that's exactly what Porsche engineers intended it to be, and could be seen as quite a feat depending on how you look at it.

Just not to me. There is nothing about the 911 that gets my pulses racing, especially now that all variants except the gt ones have gone turbo charged. It's funny I say this as I've never been a fan of Audi, but it does look (and sound) like the more special one of the two in this particular comparison.

av185

9,544 posts

74 months

Saturday 4th May
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Audi probably has the more interesting engine but that's about all there is in its favour.

Biggest cons with the Aud are its dated basically cheapo TT looks, poor economy, usual inert Audi steering, overpriced and horrific depreciation.

Oh and it's not a supercar either.

The 992 wins.

bozzy.

222 posts

25 months

Saturday 4th May
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Great video, but it just seems to highlight the problem of cars becoming too capable for the roads. The dynamic ability of cars has increased massively in the past 20 years however the speed limit hasn’t. In fact it’s now lower in many places. I’ve been a car/bike enthusiast since being a small child and lusted after 911’s, Lotus’ etc. Now, if I were lucky enough to have £90k to drop on a new 911, I wonder if I’d actually be left feeling a little bit disappointed?

Desert Dragon

500 posts

31 months

Saturday 4th May
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Very predictable. Yawn sleep

big_rob_sydney

2,372 posts

141 months

Saturday 4th May
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I'm not feeling the 911. Too common for one. Getting to be a real lard arse for another. And the price? I'd much rather the Alpine, or even a Lotus as a driving experience.

I feel like Porsche have lost the plot by moving the 911 so far into the "fat car" category, and opening up a niche below for what the 911 used to be.

I mean, lets face it; the 911's biggest competition funnily enough is probably a sister car.