RE: 2019 Toyota Supra review: PH Video!

RE: 2019 Toyota Supra review: PH Video!

Sunday 19th May

2019 Toyota Supra review: PH Video!

We've been waiting 17 years for this. Let's see if it was worth it...



On the face of it, Toyota does not have much riding on the Supra. The Japanese brand is the sixth largest company in the world. It builds over 10m cars a year. The success or failure of a comparatively low volume rear-drive sports car is not going to dramatically affect the balance sheet one way or another. Toyota will go on being the world's biggest carmaker regardless.

But that is surely not the way Akio Toyoda sees it. The firm's current president is an avid and proven car enthusiast. This is the man, after all, who ensured that the LF-A was built. The man who has previously entered races under pseudonyms. For him, Supra means much more than sales volume and marketing leverage. It is about what Toyota can be.

Of course we've driven the car already. Several times. But it pays to see it now in the metal - alive and kicking - and in the context of the four generations that have preceded it. Yes, it is the product of a partnership, and that partnership has required compromise - all production cars do. But it does not limit Toyota's ambitions nor its best intentions. The Supra is back, and we can't wait to see where it and its maker goes from here.

 

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Bright Halo

Original Poster:

735 posts

177 months

Saturday 18th May
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Looks really good.
As for wanting a more hard edged driving experience, as PHers I am sure we all agree but the vast majority of the target audience IMO won’t want that so Toyota have probably done a very good job with the tools they had I.e a BMW.


Itsallicanafford

1,969 posts

101 months

Saturday 18th May
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My criteria is a sports car is something comfortable enough to drive to spa, but focused enough for a day on track (for a mid level track day fan)

The Supra sounds absolutely spot on.

200Plus Club

6,039 posts

220 months

Saturday 18th May
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Terribly ugly rear end but looks a fabulous drivers car. Maybe the paint colour doesn't help but it's not visually pleasing from certain angles.
Cue a host of tuner cars with more "uumph" and factory specials?

Helicopter123

5,856 posts

98 months

Saturday 18th May
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Good looking car but a little expensive.

shantybeater

820 posts

111 months

Saturday 18th May
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utterly hideous from all angles. Lets hope BMW make a Z4 Coupe because that thing looks miles better.
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belleair302

6,082 posts

149 months

Saturday 18th May
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It does look good from the outside, not sure as mentioned about the pure BMW transplant interior however. No doubt it will be reliable and everything will work. For this money I would want switchable suspension, a better brake package and possibly less interior 'technology'. However for a global car this is where companies are going with more and more shared platforms and components. I believe the tuners are already improving these so wait six months and lets see what comes from Japan, the USA and Germany regarding aftermarket trickery. How many of these will be on track, few. How many used daily, many more across the world, and this is what Toyota are about, global sales.

sdiggle

74 posts

32 months

Saturday 18th May
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Too expensive.
Less power than the BMW equiv.
No manual option.
I'll pass.

Imafreeman

101 posts

166 months

Saturday 18th May
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I so much wanted to like the new Supra but it's so close to the Z4 on which it's based that it just feels like it's not a Toyota.
A new interior could have made the difference.
If I wanted a Z4 I'd buy a Z4. Shame frown

cerb4.5lee

11,670 posts

122 months

Saturday 18th May
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Enjoyed the video and it summed the car up very well and much how I would expect the car to be like to drive. My thoughts were echoed around the need for a manual gearbox, although I would hazard a guess that most buyers will prefer the auto though.

I am really warming to the wacky shape too and it is pretty striking I think.

Vergis

455 posts

184 months

Saturday 18th May
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Needs 100 bhp more, longer wheel base and lower roof line and it I think it would be great to look at and drive !

(Im sure BMW demanded the shorter wheel base for the z4 rather then Toyota and that dictated the roofline and the rest.

Gandahar

6,576 posts

70 months

Saturday 18th May
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There is a nice counterpoint between Dan and this Supra.

Dan started off here at PH I recall and then moved to Evo and now freelance. His written and video work is great; not too in your face and gives you all the details. Improvement with time. The Supra?

Maybe they should have called it Dan. Or Dan -san ? The baggage it has got with that name has not helped it at all, Toyota has completely misjudged the market by calling it that rather than a new name.

The 2nd elephant in the room ( and we have a small pack of pachyderms at this point) is that it is a BMW car fettled to Toyota brief.

Compare that to a humble GRMN Yaris. Whilst every other car in that class goes with the ubiquitous 2 litre turbo car and is just a photocopy of the next one, the Toyota did a small car Supra chosing a supercharged 1.8. It's like that unusual flavoured ice cream you eat on the beach. IT IS JAPANESE. biggrin

How about this with a Japanese highly tunable engine --



Imagine that with a tuned 700-900bhp engine. Now that is a Supra.

What's the point of doing a concept if you are then going to pay homage to the bean counters and not do a new 21st C Supra as a halo car.

Having said all that, and given Toyota a bashing, this car is still very good. It just needs tuning, as was always the case with the Supra, now just not the engine.

Cracking car, needs to be lighter and wait for the manual gearbox to come out .....

Edited by Gandahar on Saturday 18th May 10:28

popeyewhite

9,849 posts

62 months

Saturday 18th May
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'Supra' conjures up memories of legendary tuned cars and lairy bodykits, this one looks and is (apparently) a little tame. Just another car now, really. Could whoever the young chap is that presented the video stop waving his arms about during the intro please? Looks like he's conducting an orchestra.

T1berious

1,149 posts

97 months

Saturday 18th May
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As a petrolhead I wanted to love this car but like Dan and others have said it feels like it's waiting to be unleashed. I'm pretty sure a diet, better brakes and an extra 50 bhp would make it feel more worthy of the Supra mantra.

As echoed earlier, those are pretty big shoes to fill and this is a car that back in the took the fight to Porsche in a similar way that the NSX took the fight to the super car elite of it's era.

It was never going to be a car that tore the face off it's development sister car (but I wish it had and I'm a fully paid up BMW fan boy and about to get my 4th) but damn, I was rooting for it to do just that.

Still, it does have the advantage of a longer warranty etc via Toyota v BMW, maybe a good nearly new buy with 4 years left of dealer warranty?

Venisonpie

329 posts

24 months

Saturday 18th May
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It's growing on me, the shape I hated is now becoming appealing in a 2000GT sort of way. Six cylinders with a chassis serious enough for road use- like a mini GT car. Manual box and it would be ace, no need for more oomph for me.

ocrx8

738 posts

138 months

Saturday 18th May
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Like others, I’m also warming to the looks. One of the more exciting new cars in a while. I’d happily take this over a 718.

nuttywobbler

65 posts

4 months

Saturday 18th May
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I love the way it looks from the outside - I think it’s fantastic, one of the best looking cars on sale in fact.

But the rest of it does absolutely nothing for me - the fact it’s a BMW Z4 with a different body ruins it for me. Same engine as an m140 which is half the price etc. Just not special enough under the skin.

Fermit and Sexy Sarah

6,571 posts

42 months

Saturday 18th May
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It seems that it's well regarded by this video, but, IMO, it hasn't the essence of a Supra. This should be the modern day Celica at about £40k. A Supra should be Toyotas take on the Nissan GTR, at around £70k.

Also, the looks. To my mind a car like this is a heart purchase. You want to love looking at it. This is why, at some point, my money will be going on an early (2005 onwards) V8 Vantage.


J4CKO

27,522 posts

142 months

Saturday 18th May
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Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:
It seems that it's well regarded by this video, but, IMO, it hasn't the essence of a Supra. This should be the modern day Celica at about £40k. A Supra should be Toyotas take on the Nissan GTR, at around £70k.
The original Supra wasnt really a GTR competitor, it was more a GT in the mold of the 300ZX, most were big dopey 3 litre NA autos, it was ontly the TT MK4 that got anywhere near GTR territory.

Its really grown on me, I find myself wanting one for what it is, here and now, what we can actually buy, not what it could have been.

Can almost guarantee an M version of the Z4 will appear and a spicier factory version of the Supra, be interesting if they stick the S58 engine in it from the M3/M3/M2 Comp.

As the base engine int he Supra, 340 bhp and 0-60 in 4 secs or thereabouts is pretty rapid, and these are so easy to tune, £175 gets you a BlueSpark tuning box

https://www.bluesparkautomotive.com/bmw-m140i-340-...

10 mins to fit and it takes it over 400 bhp, plenty of other options and other tuning stuff.

I do wonder sometimes, on one hand there is so much doom and gloom that "they" are taking our fast cars, downsizing the engines or making us go electric, then a beefy six cylinder 340 bhp sports car gets released and it largely gets moaned about !

I will take one in Deep Blue Metallic and order the BlueSpark module, 420 bhp 2 seater sports car, I wouldn't be moaning about it.


Water Fairy

2,887 posts

97 months

Saturday 18th May
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I quite like it and for most mortals it will be plenty fast enough but it was always a compromise the moment Toyota and BMW signed next to each other on the dotted line.

A serious Supra would have been Toyota developed from start to finish imho

rare6499

257 posts

81 months

Saturday 18th May
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I really like it. The exterior has some brilliant design touches that make it look like a little supercar! You sure won’t mistake it for anything else.