RE: Shelby GT40 anniversary | Showpiece of the Week

RE: Shelby GT40 anniversary | Showpiece of the Week

Monday 27th May

Shelby GT40 anniversary | Showpiece of the Week

Le Mans is but a few weeks away - what better way to get there?



Don't panic - this piece won't insult your intelligence with yet another regaling of the GT40 story. You know the history, the reason for being, the outstanding success and the enviable legacy. You'll know that's been harnessed by Ford in the 21st century with two sensational supercars, and you'll also know the GT40 is perhaps one of the most replica'd vehicles in the entire world - with some a lot better done than others.

This car is not a GT40. Rather it's a Shelby GT40 Le Mans Edition, one of 20 cars built by Shelby in America three years ago to mark 50 years since the first GT40 victory at La Sarthe. That Shelby bit is of course crucially important, meaning this car could use a continuation chassis, built on the original GT40's steel monocoque. Beyond some welcome concessions to modernity - Bilstein dampers, H&R springs, Wilwood brakes and air conditioning - this is an exact recreation of Bruce McLaren's 1966 car. Which is pretty cool. Handily for buyers based in the UK, that even extends to this being right-hand drive, with that evocative shifter nestled between seat and door.


For those unwilling to carry their 'Shelby American Issued Manufacturer's Statement of Origin for 1966', there are clues that this GT40 isn't just any recreation. There are Shelby 50th Anniversary badges, plaques and sill covers, with an unerringly faithful interior evocation - see the Moto Lita wheel, Smiths' dials and the riveted seats.

Short of paying many millions of pounds for an original, then, this Shelby car is as close as you'll get to an authentic GT40 experience in 2019. Indeed, it could well be better to drive than an original with those hardware upgrades. Let's not forget, either, that this is a 7.0-litre, V8, mind-engined, rear-wheel drive manual sports car - this is surely going to deliver the sort of visceral thrills, overwhelming excitement and, to be frank, bullish intimidation that just won't be found in anything much newer. You'll be let off for not going full Kenny Brack on a track day, although total sensory overload is all but guaranteed.


And it's a GT40, built by Carroll Shelby's company. Probably the most famous Ford ever produced (there's a discussion for another day), one of the best known Le Mans winners in history and a car whose popularity shows no signs of waning - there really is nothing like a GT40. It was desirable 10 years ago, it'll be desirable 10 years in the future and for as long as cars are allowed; there are precious few other things on four wheels with the timeless appeal, unique motorsport status and instant recognisability of a GT40.

That this car will deliver that experience with some considerable authenticity, for a price a fraction of an original, makes it an immensely intriguing prospect. Amazing it remains on delivery mileage, so it's effectively still a brand new one of the 20 produced (it's number four, in case you were wondering). On track, on road or - dare it be said - in a collection, the Shelby GT40 would fit and reward just superbly. And while £600k is hardly some bargain basement replica price, there's a legitimacy to a Shelby car that no others will have - and which is very rare to come across. Don't forget, either, that £550k is what a 911 GT3 RS could cost - no contest, really, is there?

See the full advert here.







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Nerdherder

Original Poster:

698 posts

39 months

Monday 27th May
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DAYUMN. Quite a lot of want going on here.

P.s; “replica’d“?

swisstoni

7,692 posts

221 months

Monday 27th May
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Someone’s on a percentage.

griffchris

142 posts

212 months

Monday 27th May
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This is a Superformance GT40 with some Shelby plaques glued on. You can buy a new one, UK registered and IVA'd, for around £160k (with a 12 month wait admittedly) so that's quite some mark-up.

Augustus Windsock

1,693 posts

97 months

Monday 27th May
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griffchris said:
This is a Superformance GT40 with some Shelby plaques glued on. You can buy a new one, UK registered and IVA'd, for around £160k (with a 12 month wait admittedly) so that's quite some mark-up.
I’m sorry, where does the article say it’s a Superformance car?
The article and advert clearly say it’s a Shelby.
If it were the Superformance version then yes it would be £150k or whatever but unless I’ve read it incorrectly, it isn’t.
I’m sure that in the real world there would be little difference between them (and don’t Superformance trumpet the fact that “more than 85% of all the component parts are interchangeable with the original cars', including the entire ' monocoque' ...”?) but THE difference is that this is a Shelby continuation, which means a lot to certain people.
Me? I’d be more than happy with the Superformance car (in fact there’s a white Daytona Coupe somewhere near me, which I see sporadically but have never got to talk to the owner)

bloomen

2,494 posts

101 months

Monday 27th May
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Augustus Windsock said:
I’m sorry, where does the article say it’s a Superformance car?
The article and advert clearly say it’s a Shelby.
https://www.topgear.com/car-news/shelby-and-superformances-replica-gt40-and-you-need-it-now#1

https://www.topspeed.com/cars/ford/2016-superforma...

"We’re very excited to release this special edition GT40 celebrating the 50th Anniversary of the Le Mans victory," said Superformance CEO, Lance Stander. "Having known Carroll Shelby personally, we know how proud he was of this victory and can’t think of a better way to commemorate it."

There ya go. Just saved you £450,000.
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Sandpit Steve

174 posts

16 months

Monday 27th May
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bloomen said:
Augustus Windsock said:
I’m sorry, where does the article say it’s a Superformance car?
The article and advert clearly say it’s a Shelby.
https://www.topgear.com/car-news/shelby-and-superformances-replica-gt40-and-you-need-it-now#1

https://www.topspeed.com/cars/ford/2016-superforma...

"We’re very excited to release this special edition GT40 celebrating the 50th Anniversary of the Le Mans victory," said Superformance CEO, Lance Stander. "Having known Carroll Shelby personally, we know how proud he was of this victory and can’t think of a better way to commemorate it."

There ya go. Just saved you £450,000.
So the £450k difference is basically for the ‘continuation’ VIN, which presumably allows entry into certain competitions and events?

AlecT

117 posts

151 months

Monday 27th May
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Also, unless it is a typo, this car has the wrong engine, the ad says a Ford 428 which is a standard engine as fitted to the Ford Galaxy and other passenger cars, the Le Mans winning cars had a Ford 427 side oiler, while of similar FE architecture it was quite different and very much a race engine.
The Shelby Cobras early in production also used the 427 but towards the end went on to the 428 to save money.

bloomen

2,494 posts

101 months

Monday 27th May
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Sandpit Steve said:
So the £450k difference is basically for the ‘continuation’ VIN, which presumably allows entry into certain competitions and events?
Looks it, but it also appears other Superformance models qualify as continuation cars too.

https://superformance.com/factory-models/gt40-tool...

Dunno whether they're cheaper than that one.


Adeyfisher

51 posts

75 months

Monday 27th May
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bloomen said:
Augustus Windsock said:
I’m sorry, where does the article say it’s a Superformance car?
The article and advert clearly say it’s a Shelby.
https://www.topgear.com/car-news/shelby-and-superformances-replica-gt40-and-you-need-it-now#1

https://www.topspeed.com/cars/ford/2016-superforma...

"We’re very excited to release this special edition GT40 celebrating the 50th Anniversary of the Le Mans victory," said Superformance CEO, Lance Stander. "Having known Carroll Shelby personally, we know how proud he was of this victory and can’t think of a better way to commemorate it."

There ya go. Just saved you £450,000.
I am somewhat shocked by this.

Nowhere in the advert for this car does it say Superformance built it, just Shelby references. It does not say it was built by Shelby (Although PH do) but they definitely make it look like they had a lot more to do with the build than just supplying a continuation VIN, plaques and floor mats.

This is without a doubt, one of the best quality kit cars you can buy, but no way worth the extra 450k just for 'Continuation' status.

Augustus Windsock

1,693 posts

97 months

Monday 27th May
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bloomen said:
Augustus Windsock said:
I’m sorry, where does the article say it’s a Superformance car?
The article and advert clearly say it’s a Shelby.
https://www.topgear.com/car-news/shelby-and-superformances-replica-gt40-and-you-need-it-now#1

https://www.topspeed.com/cars/ford/2016-superforma...

"We’re very excited to release this special edition GT40 celebrating the 50th Anniversary of the Le Mans victory," said Superformance CEO, Lance Stander. "Having known Carroll Shelby personally, we know how proud he was of this victory and can’t think of a better way to commemorate it."

There ya go. Just saved you £450,000.
Well, bugger my old boots!
Thank you for the clarification, you made it clearer than the article did!!
As an aside, it was mentioned by a subsequent poster that it seems a premium for a continuation
I may be wrong but didn’t the AC Cobra continuation cars do pretty much the same with the CSX4000 series?

Condi

8,021 posts

113 months

Monday 27th May
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How can a modern car be homolgated for series racing?

bloomen

2,494 posts

101 months

Monday 27th May
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Condi said:
How can a modern car be homolgated for series racing?
I was under the impression there are plenty of replicas out there racing against originals. As long as the spec is the same it passes muster. And even an 'original' car may not have an original bit left in it.

http://cartechstuff.blogspot.com/2014/06/fia-histo...

aeropilot

18,028 posts

169 months

Monday 27th May
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AlecT said:
Also, unless it is a typo, this car has the wrong engine, the ad says a Ford 428 which is a standard engine as fitted to the Ford Galaxy and other passenger cars, the Le Mans winning cars had a Ford 427 side oiler, while of similar FE architecture it was quite different and very much a race engine.
The Shelby Cobras early in production also used the 427 but towards the end went on to the 428 to save money.
When you buy a Superformance car, you don't get the engine, you specify which engine you want to fit, and it's built for that engine, but you the customer ha to supply and fit that engine.
Therefore, engine choice is up to the original customer order, hence why this car has a 428 (and with incorrect Shelby valve covers) rather than a 427, or even one of the all-alloy 427FE side-oilers that many of the owners did specify.

Sandpit Steve

174 posts

16 months

Tuesday 28th May
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bloomen said:
Sandpit Steve said:
So the £450k difference is basically for the ‘continuation’ VIN, which presumably allows entry into certain competitions and events?
Looks it, but it also appears other Superformance models qualify as continuation cars too.

https://superformance.com/factory-models/gt40-tool...

Dunno whether they're cheaper than that one.
Hmm, not too sure where the massive price discrepancy goes then. If my lottery numbers come up I’ll take the £150k one and throw most of the other £450k at Singer for one of their old new 911s.