RE: Aston to attempt Valkyrie Nurburgring record

RE: Aston to attempt Valkyrie Nurburgring record

Thursday 20th June 2019

Aston to attempt Valkyrie Nurburgring record?

Andy Palmer says a lap "is important to the prowess of a supercar" - in China, of all places...



Remember when eight-minutes-something was damn fast for a road car at the Nurburgring? Not any longer. Now even something in the low sevens won't raise many eyebrows; a lap solidly in the sixes is the only way to attract real attention. And that could be all set to change again, if an Aston Valkyrie laps the Nordschleife...

In an interview with Carsales over Le Mans weekend, Aston CEO Andy Palmer said a 'ring lap wasn't that important, but that "in some markets, I'm thinking China strangely, a time around the Nurburgring is important to the prowess of a supercar." So while the Valkyrie doesn't have lap time supremacy as a primary development goal, Palmer reckoned that "we'll probably end up setting a time." Which is rather exciting, given all that we know about the upcoming hypercar.


Perhaps best of all, Aston will not go about its lap in the conventional fashion, ensuring exclusive use of the track and waiting for optimum conditions: "I'm thinking maybe we'll do something cool - like turning up to an open session, something crazy like that", said Palmer. Even at a car park that familiar with seeing exotic cars, a Valkyrie would be some arrival.

So just how fast could it go? Christian Horner suggested the Porsche 919 Evo's phenomenal 5:19.5 could be under threat, a barmy idea but presumably not outside the realms of possibility given the power, weight and aerodynamics. Really, anything less than six minutes would be an achievement beyond what many considered previously possible for road cars. But then, as we're very quickly learning, the Valkyrie isn't exactly like any other road cars.



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RumbleOfThunder

Original Poster:

3,560 posts

204 months

Thursday 20th June 2019
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"So just how fast could it go? Christian Horner suggested the Porsche 919 Evo's phenomenal 5:19.5 could be under threat, a barmy idea but presumably not outside the realms of possibility given the power, weight and aerodynamics".

Christian is a lying bd. laugh

jonby

5,357 posts

158 months

Thursday 20th June 2019
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Of course all this talk of track times depends partly on which version they are talking about

There will be at least 4 versions of Valkyrie that we already know of - the 'standard' road car, the standard road car with the optional track only aero pack fitted, the track only AMR Pro and then the WEC (Le Mans) race car.

The track pack alone is stated to give 8% better lap times, which would take a lap time of say 6 minutes 20 seconds for the standard car to 5 minutes 50 seconds for the track pack equipped car. In turn the AMR Pro could then be challenging that 919 time. Obviously we've no idea what the standard car is capable of but it would surely shave 20 seconds off the GT2RS Manthey time ?



Edited by jonby on Thursday 20th June 16:29

phil4

1,217 posts

239 months

Thursday 20th June 2019
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Honestly, think CH is just trying to help sales/image.

Something which was designed without "lap time supremacy as a primary development goal", to be road legal, and to sell for a few million vs a race car, that has almost it's only goal as lap time supremacy, was beefed up from the racing regs so not even race legal, isn't road legal and not made to a budget/cost in even vaguely the same ballpark.

Won't happen.

RacerMike

4,213 posts

212 months

Thursday 20th June 2019
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RumbleOfThunder said:
"So just how fast could it go? Christian Horner suggested the Porsche 919 Evo's phenomenal 5:19.5 could be under threat, a barmy idea but presumably not outside the realms of possibility given the power, weight and aerodynamics".

Christian is a lying bd. laugh
From what I understand about the car, it's actually possible he's not! They're talking about 5G under braking and genuine F1/LMP1 levels of downforce on trace. Barmy and utterly pointless to all but a very very small number of owners as most will not have anywhere near the ability to get more than 10% of the performance out of the thing!

B17NNS

18,506 posts

248 months

Thursday 20th June 2019
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For Palmer to say a 'ring lap isn't that important is pure folly. Relevant to the real world? Of course not. Crucial for the Valkyrie. Absolutely.

It wasn't long ago that Aston were showing off their simulator where journalists (PH included) were lapping Spa a whole 25 seconds quicker in the Valkyrie compared to 'generic' supercars.

Valkyrie is going to be a true reset point for this part of the market

If the car is to live up to Aston's hype only total domination at the Nurburgring will do.

DickyC

49,830 posts

199 months

Thursday 20th June 2019
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jonby said:
Of course all this talk of track times depends partly on which version they are talking about

There will be at least 4 versions of Valkyrie that we already know of...
Don't tell me I've ordered the base model.

Sake.

RumbleOfThunder

Original Poster:

3,560 posts

204 months

Thursday 20th June 2019
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RacerMike said:
RumbleOfThunder said:
"So just how fast could it go? Christian Horner suggested the Porsche 919 Evo's phenomenal 5:19.5 could be under threat, a barmy idea but presumably not outside the realms of possibility given the power, weight and aerodynamics".

Christian is a lying bd. laugh
From what I understand about the car, it's actually possible he's not! They're talking about 5G under braking and genuine F1/LMP1 levels of downforce on trace. Barmy and utterly pointless to all but a very very small number of owners as most will not have anywhere near the ability to get more than 10% of the performance out of the thing!
Yeah I've seen their bluster before, but I'm not buying it. It won't be on LMP1 pace, nevermind the Evo model which I gather runs 1100+ hp. The aero won't generate anywhere near the level of downforce required and will still be running road tyres, as far as I'm aware. I suspect it will be a bit quicker than a GT3 spec car purely because of power but still slower than LMP2.

Gandahar

9,600 posts

129 months

Thursday 20th June 2019
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Well it won't get anywhere near the Porsche time on any sort of road or track day tyre no matter how many g it can generate.

On normal rubber a low 6 min time would still be epic.


WCZ

10,544 posts

195 months

Thursday 20th June 2019
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either way the SVJ's time is going to get absolutely murdered

Nerdherder

1,773 posts

98 months

Thursday 20th June 2019
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The Crack Fox said:
I am growing to hate anything Nurburgring-related.

Do something original. Impress me. Go on.
I put a motorpunk sticker on my Alfa GTV. Impressive huh!

Nerdherder

1,773 posts

98 months

Thursday 20th June 2019
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DickyC said:
jonby said:
Of course all this talk of track times depends partly on which version they are talking about

There will be at least 4 versions of Valkyrie that we already know of...
Don't tell me I've ordered the base model.

Sake.
Poor sod. laugh

Terminator X

15,118 posts

205 months

Thursday 20th June 2019
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phil4 said:
Honestly, think CH is just trying to help sales/image.

Something which was designed without "lap time supremacy as a primary development goal", to be road legal, and to sell for a few million vs a race car, that has almost it's only goal as lap time supremacy, was beefed up from the racing regs so not even race legal, isn't road legal and not made to a budget/cost in even vaguely the same ballpark.

Won't happen.
Do you think it needs some help re sales wink

TX.

The Vambo

6,664 posts

142 months

Thursday 20th June 2019
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The Crack Fox said:
I am growing to hate anything Nurburgring-related.
Yeah, I go around clicking on things I hate too.

jonby

5,357 posts

158 months

Thursday 20th June 2019
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DickyC said:
jonby said:
Of course all this talk of track times depends partly on which version they are talking about

There will be at least 4 versions of Valkyrie that we already know of...
Don't tell me I've ordered the base model.

Sake.
how will you show your face ?

markcoznottz

7,155 posts

225 months

Thursday 20th June 2019
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What tyres is it going to be supplied with? What's the deal with the ride height on that photo? Presumably that's a. Generic press photo with zero suspension travel .

DickyC

49,830 posts

199 months

Thursday 20th June 2019
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jonby said:
how will you show your face ?
Will you drive? I'll try and look like a reluctant passenger.

anonymous-user

55 months

Thursday 20th June 2019
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PHarticle said:
Perhaps best of all, Aston will not go about its lap in the conventional fashion, ensuring exclusive use of the track and waiting for optimum conditions: "I'm thinking maybe we'll do something cool - like turning up to an open session, something crazy like that", said Palmer.
Let me get this right, they intend to try to set a N/ring lap record during an open session?

Not only is that ridiculously dangerous for all concerned (fancy doing >300kph and finding someone "dawdling along" at just 250 kph blocking the fast line. no? me neither....) but it's also impossible, because to set a lap record you must go round EVERY corner on the circuit at maximum possible speed, something that is simply not possible with an open track, where cars (and drivers...) of all performances are running. Trust me, the 11th time you have to abort your "record lap" because you just spent 100 yards sideways on the grass and have knocked off the front off the car on the barriers trying to avoid a slower car gets really pretty annoying.......

subirg

718 posts

277 months

Thursday 20th June 2019
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Given that the WEC hypercar lapmtime predictions are a good 15 seconds down on today’s LMP1 cars and that the 919 EVO was a deristricted LMP1 car, I don’t see how this is going to get anywhere close to 5min 19s. Dreaming.

JD

2,779 posts

229 months

Thursday 20th June 2019
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Any signs of the prototype yet?

EyeHeartSpellin

668 posts

84 months

Thursday 20th June 2019
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Genuine question: what are the true differences between the Evo and Valkeriye? Is it really impossible for the lap time to be close or is this a bit of hype because AM know from simulations they can do it?

P.s totally agree it would need a closed track regardless.