RE: Mini reveals JCW GP prototype at N24

RE: Mini reveals JCW GP prototype at N24

Monday 4th November 2019

New Mini GP gets 306hp - and a UK price

Limited edition hot hatch will cost from £34,995 when it goes on sale early next year...



The last time we talked about the next Mini GP, it had just been presented to us in camouflaged format at N24. We learnt much about it then (see below) but Mini declined to reveal a list price for the "fastest model ever produced in the 60-year history of the brand." Now, ahead of the car's official debut at the LA show, it has - the Mini GP John Cooper Works will start at £34,995 in the UK.

Clearly that isn't an insignificant sum given the model's 'supermini' status - a Ford Fiesta ST Performance Edition starting at £26,495, for example - but it's worth remembering that a) the GP has never been cheap, and b) you're getting quite a senior machine for money. Its manufacturer has confirmed that the car will get 306hp, and we already know that it's getting a trick chassis beneath that 'aerodynamically optimised body'.

We also know that it is capable of a sub 8min Nordschleife lap time (because Mini keeps repeating it) which puts the car right in the 'quickest ever hot hatch' mix. Using the Honda Civic Type R (£31,550) and Renault Sport Megane R.S. Trophy (£31,995) as a measure, and chucking in the GP's niche and limited edition appeal, you can see how its maker arrived at the figure.

Time will tell if it's actually worth it, of course. We'll know more later this month when the new model is finally shown to the public in production format - and we'll know for sure when it's finally ready to actually drive. That we can't wait is probably a good sign...


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23.06.19...

It all makes sense, if you think about it: where better, in fact, to release new info about an upcoming performance car than the 'ring on N24 weekend? The place is jam-packed with the most dedicated of fast car fans, exactly the kind of people who really would spend lots of money on a very powerful Mini with two seats. So there is the prototype Mk3 GP, plonked outside of the Nurburgring Info Center alongside its R53 and R56 predecessors, ready to be ogled by an eager public.

With a production debut still a few months off, there are elements of the John Cooper Works GP still under wraps. However, a few minutes with engineer Jurgen Matz has revealed more than few positive details about the upcoming flagship.


Firstly, very much like the two previous GPs and rather out of keeping with Mini tradition, the third generation GP will have no dynamic configurability. One passive suspension tune, one wheel and tyre combination - Hankook Ventus S1 evos, 225-section on 18-inch wheels - one brake package and so on. Matz talks of the being able reduce weight and complexity by eliminating the various options, as well as the focus that makes possible in perfecting one set up. All encouraging news.

The reason for the Nurburgring reveal - almost reveal, rather - is to talk about the new car's additional prowess around the circuit. It's going to have more than 300hp, with Mini already claiming a lap time below eight minutes (the GP2 recorded 8:23) and with more to come. The specifics aren't yet clear, though; the Countryman and Clubman JCW have 306hp, but the hatch could well have more power again. Front- or four-wheel drive hasn't been confirmed, and neither have gearboxes - the prototype car on display did have the automatic shifter present. Furthermore, despite two seats again carrying on in GP tradition, weight hasn't been disclosed.

Matz reckons the difference from JCW to GP dynamically is as great as the leap from S to JCW, with springs, dampers and anti-roll bars all significantly stiffer. While 80 per cent of testing thus far has been on the road, that final fifth has been on track, the 'ring again used for its ability to pack so many challenges into such a relatively short space of time. Questioned on rivals, the Megane and Civic come up in conversation - very good cars to benchmark.


While still only a development car, let's hope the production GP can look as silly as this one currently does. Modest and demure has never really been the Mini way, has it? The wider tracks are cloaked in some ludicrous arch extensions, way more aggressive than either of the previous models. The rear wing is bigger, the exhausts are bigger, everything evidently pumped up to wild proportions despite the disguise. There's an argument to make about the current Mini lacking the cohesive style of the previous two, though if drives with the same sort of impish enthusiasm then there won't be too many complaints.

Mini is promising in its press material a car that "takes the extreme driving fun offered by a Mini to a whole new level", one with "outstanding sporting potential". Given there have been some encouraging signs in the F56 Mini if you've known where to look - our Works 210 long termer being the ideal example - some cautious optimism about this GP would be understandable. Especially with more than 300hp. 2020 can't come soon enough...


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DEAN7231

Original Poster:

17 posts

86 months

Saturday 22nd June 2019
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Yeah, sure to be a hoot to drive, and I can’t wait to get mine.biggrin

thelostboy

4,569 posts

225 months

Saturday 22nd June 2019
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The new Mini has got uglier and uglier with every tweak they make, but at least this balances it out by looking pretty nuts!

However, would like to see this with rear bench as a No Cost Option as I find the GP a bizarre car. The whole point of a hot hatch is it being an all rounder for the every man.

howardhughes

1,007 posts

204 months

Saturday 22nd June 2019
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I'm an owner of the first gen JCW and the shape still looks clean and modern. The GP in both 1st and second gen are spot on, this version is bloody awful. They need to take a leaf from the FIAT 500. Same floor plan over all their current models. Tastefully upgraded without going ott. MINI with their third reincarnation have lost the plot.

Edited by howardhughes on Saturday 22 June 18:07

sidesauce

2,476 posts

218 months

Saturday 22nd June 2019
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howardhughes said:
I'm an owner of the first gen JCW and the shape still looks clean and modern. The GP in both 1st and second gen are spot on, this version is bloody awful. They need to take a leaf from the FIAT 500. Same floor plan over all their current models. Tastefully upgraded without going ott. MINI with their third reincarnation however have lost the plot.
What exactly was 'the plot' you claim BMW has lost?

Was the plot to not try and improve the car and make it appeal to more people?

Or maybe to keep it the same as the first and second gen cars and not make any progress with it in terms of handling?

The Fiat 500 is tired, precisely because it's the same car it was in 2007, 12 years ago (bar the obvious new trimmings). That's NOT progress. Bentley's Continental, a car which debuted in 2003, has improved massively with the introduction of the 2018 model as the game has moved on. BMW are doing exactly the same thing with this car.

The fact that they've simplified it over other models is a very good thing.

Alias218

1,496 posts

162 months

Saturday 22nd June 2019
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All I can think about when I see this car is how much crap is going to get stuck behind those bits on the side and what a pain they will be to clean.

cerb4.5lee

30,602 posts

180 months

Saturday 22nd June 2019
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anonymous said:
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I squeezed into the back of mine yesterday with my seat in my driving position(I'm only 5'8") and it was cosy to say the least! I just wanted to see how much room my 11 year old had back there(not much!).

cerb4.5lee

30,602 posts

180 months

Saturday 22nd June 2019
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Alias218 said:
All I can think about when I see this car is how much crap is going to get stuck behind those bits on the side and what a pain they will be to clean.
I can't get over how bad and unresolved they look. The earlier GP's had a purposeful look to them and this one just shows how you can't polish a turd with the F56...its just such an ugly car/shape.

Augustus Windsock

3,369 posts

155 months

Saturday 22nd June 2019
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Sitting with splinters up my arse here, the fence being particularly rough to straddle.
I agree about the performance and focus but also that the looks have become something like the leftovers after a particularly unpleasant regurgitation of canine sustinence.
And shouldn’t this cars naming fall into line with the ladies skirts of the late 60’s/early 70’s I.e Mini, Midi and Maxi (lengths of skirts for the uninitiated or those too young to have suffered the horrors)
The first ‘new’ Mini would have been.... the Mini, the next, larger variant the Midi and this as the Maxi...

colinc2

36 posts

229 months

Saturday 22nd June 2019
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The F56 is not the prettiest I agree but for me it’s the best compromise as a daily in CooperS form with Dual clutch and as a weekend toy the JCW in Stage 2 tune is rapid and yet civilised in 6 speed Auto form . I have one of each and love them both for what they are rather than what they are not. And I am on the list for a GP3, having owned both of the previous incarnations neither of which really got to me me in the way I expected them too, but dynamically it’s going to have to be something special to top the Stage 2 JCW , visually it’s going to come down to whether the actual colour ( a grey I am led to believe) works with the arches, and price wise it has to undercut a Mulgari ICON02.

Baileyk

195 posts

64 months

Saturday 22nd June 2019
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thelostboy said:
The new Mini has got uglier and uglier with every tweak they make, but at least this balances it out by looking pretty nuts!

However, would like to see this with rear bench as a No Cost Option as I find the GP a bizarre car. The whole point of a hot hatch is it being an all rounder for the every man.
The 3rd gen is quite ugly, but the JCW version looks pretty good, shame as first 2 gens were quite funky and cool and had some obvious 1960s mini styling cues. However, this gp looks awesome and can’t wait to see the finished car.

a.michaeljones001

5 posts

72 months

Saturday 22nd June 2019
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Currently own a GP2 and I’ve had a GP1 in the past so I had a deposit down on one of these. But decided to cancel my order when was informed the cost would be £30k + ... I love the look of it but I’m not sure who it appeals to for the price?

Track day enthusiasts would just buy a light weight, or the probably faster Type R, and if it’s anything like the GP2 on fixed coil overs it’s going to be hard on the road.

SlimJim16v

5,660 posts

143 months

Saturday 22nd June 2019
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It's missing the working rear diffuser of the previous GP, so a backwards step?

Plus it's borderline ugly.

jbforce10

509 posts

175 months

Saturday 22nd June 2019
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I usually like flared wheel arches... not in this case.

florian

291 posts

274 months

Sunday 23rd June 2019
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Do these separated wheels arch panels makeany sense aerodynamically? Loks like they would cause a lot of interference drag with air flowing through that narrow gap.

LaurasOtherHalf

21,429 posts

196 months

Sunday 23rd June 2019
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The current MINI is ugly mainly because of that ridiculous front overhang, it just loses all that amazing four square stance of every previous incarnation.

In fact, I think it looks like one of those Chinese facsimile versions of a MINI.

Love the arches and aero in this though, it turns it into a proper little special or mini exotica.

Nothing could persuade me to buy back into the MINI experience after my last GP however, I swore I’d never buy another of their cars again and I tend to stick to it.

sheep86

18 posts

165 months

Sunday 23rd June 2019
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May be quick but in my opinion will not replace the rawness of the R53 GP, that is not a mini! Buy a Golf R
They're gonna have to bring out a MINI mini to take it back to the original package lol

HorneyMX5

5,309 posts

150 months

Sunday 23rd June 2019
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The F56 Mini is a challenging car to look at from some angles. Modern safety requirements have really hampered what can be done with the front end to keep it like the earlier cars with a low bonnet line and a wheel at each corner. They do look much better when lowered and with wheels that properly fill the arches.

This new GP is odd, awkward and awesome in equal measure. I look forward to seeing some on the road and to what kind of lap times it puts in round the ring. It’s going to have to be pretty special to be quicker than the new 300bhp All4 Clubman as those things are a weapon.

geo1905

87 posts

64 months

Sunday 23rd June 2019
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Well, it's certainly going to be quick and will handle well. But I'm very doubtful about those rear arches, they look like aftermarket items from a motor accessories shop. Maybe they'll incorporate them into the body, we can but hope. One thing is definite though, it'll be a hoot to drive !

David87

6,658 posts

212 months

Sunday 23rd June 2019
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I had a GP2 and quite liked it. This thing looks to be on a whole other level, but I’m not really in the market for one nowadays. Sure it’ll be a splendid car for those lucky enough to get one though.

Rumblestripe

2,939 posts

162 months

Sunday 23rd June 2019
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Some japester just wallpapered a minivan.

I have an R56/R57 Cooper S and it is a very pretty car with some lovely details. I have never like the F56 family cars I think some of the stylig choices are to enable the creation of the commercially successful but aesthetically sinful four door. The front overhang is problematic but the overall profile is boxlike and every iteration of the rear lights has got more and more hideous culminating in the truly eye gougingly horrible "Union Jack" lights.

No idea what I am going to buy when this little fella goes. Ho hum.