Not for sale to all

[Bob997GT3]

I absolutely love the RS - and any high end 911 for that matter.
Porsche just need to sort their sales model and somehow ensure true enthusiasts are able to buy them from new.

Bob

[krisdelta]

I think Porsche's sales model is doing them no harm whatsoever - you have to be buying stuff you don't want to get stuff you do want. Genius, really.

[IMI A]

krisdelta said:

I think Porsche's sales model is doing them no harm whatsoever - you have to be buying stuff you don't want to get stuff you do want. Genius, really.

In the short term maybe. The UK is about to become a very different place for prestige car manufacturers when cheap money no longer available to continue to fund debt fuelled existence.

[Koln-RS]

IMI A said:

In the short term maybe. The UK is about to become a very different place for prestige car manufacturers when cheap money no longer available to continue to fund debt fuelled existence.

I'd agree with that - what goes around, comes around and, over the years, we've seen cycles of demand exceeding supply, and supply exceeding demand.

Prestige car manufacturers have enjoyed a long lucrative period, but economic and environmental factors are likely to reverse that trend in the not too distant future (IMO). This means that the recent harder to get models will become more freely available. But, it will be interesting to see how many people still want them when they revert to normal market depreciation.

[av185]

Bob997GT3 said:

I absolutely love the RS - and any high end 911 for that matter.
Porsche just need to sort their sales model and somehow ensure true enthusiasts are able to buy them from new.

Bob

Won't happen unfortunately as shown by the latest 718 GT4 and Spyder. Unlimited but still restricted by manufacturing numbers. A few more cars than last time but they will still be relatively difficult to buy new without history with your OPC.

All part of the masterly marketing plan to increase branding and overall sales from Porsche.

[IMI A]

av185 said:

Bob997GT3 said:

I absolutely love the RS - and any high end 911 for that matter.
Porsche just need to sort their sales model and somehow ensure true enthusiasts are able to buy them from new.

Bob

Won't happen unfortunately as shown by the latest 718 GT4 and Spyder. Unlimited but still restricted by manufacturing numbers. A few more cars than last time but they will still be relatively difficult to buy new without history with your OPC.

All part of the masterly marketing plan to increase branding and overall sales from Porsche.

If you want a gen 2 GT4 you should get one no?this is what AP saying. Maybe not in 2019 as they’re probably all sold out but there will be 2020, 2021 production. Be very interesting how many still want one on this basis. The overs mkt not sustainable in any event for the reasons mentioned. Going to be a different UK soon IMO

[av185]

IMI A said:

If you want a gen 2 GT4 you should get one no?this is what AP saying. Maybe not in 2019 as they’re probably all sold out but there will be 2020, 2021 production. Be very interesting how many still want one on this basis. The overs mkt not sustainable in any event for the reasons mentioned. Going to be a different UK soon IMO

Only a handful of cars for this year. Spyder quarter 3 GT4 quarter 4.

Likely 800 GT4s and 300 Spyders for UK.

Huge price hike especially on the Spyder, likely inferior sounding engines and increased weight on both models together with possible additional 10% Brexit surcharge on top potentially making the GT4 around £105k now make these cars imo far less appealing than the 981.

[IMI A]

800 UK cars over its entire production cycle or just 2019? Very different to what AP was saying but perhaps I didn’t pick that up. I take everything he says with a pinch of salt. Best was GT3 engine won’t work without PDK and we’ll never produce a manual. How he lit the blue touch paper

[majordad]

He also said there would not be a 4.0 liter engine, lying barsteward

[av185]

As I said there are only a handful of cars this year.

Likely c800 GT4s and c300 Spyders are anticipated in total for UK over total production run .

[rev-erend]

I am amazed that british motor co dealers have not started selling 'overs.

i.e. 911 GT3 RS
10k over list... (or more)..

It's pretty commom in the US.

It would get rid of speculators.

[Bob997GT3]

Hi I'm the OP. My initial post was meant to be a comment beneath the recent OH article regarding the 991.2 RS.
Somehow it landed in the general forum, but I did post it by using my smart phone - which I have not done before. Oops! Technology eh!😆
Comment is now where I intended so apologies for any confusion.

Bob

[krisdelta]

IMI A said:

krisdelta said:

I think Porsche's sales model is doing them no harm whatsoever - you have to be buying stuff you don't want to get stuff you do want. Genius, really.

In the short term maybe. The UK is about to become a very different place for prestige car manufacturers when cheap money no longer available to continue to fund debt fuelled existence.

But is it? This has been a dark cloud on the horizon for what, 4-5 years and whilst the Brexit / China economy has made things less certain, there is still lots of very low APR deals - indeed I can get a loan essentially at a profit, as a basic investment is returning more than the APR on a loan!

[IMI A]

krisdelta said:

IMI A said:

krisdelta said:

I think Porsche's sales model is doing them no harm whatsoever - you have to be buying stuff you don't want to get stuff you do want. Genius, really.

In the short term maybe. The UK is about to become a very different place for prestige car manufacturers when cheap money no longer available to continue to fund debt fuelled existence.

But is it? This has been a dark cloud on the horizon for what, 4-5 years and whilst the Brexit / China economy has made things less certain, there is still lots of very low APR deals - indeed I can get a loan essentially at a profit, as a basic investment is returning more than the APR on a loan!

Go for it. Different opinions create a market

[av185]

rev-erend said:

I am amazed that british motor co dealers have not started selling 'overs.

i.e. 911 GT3 RS
10k over list... (or more)..

It's pretty commom in the US.

It would get rid of speculators.

UK OPCs cannot charge over list £ for a brand new car.

[krisdelta]

IMI A said:

krisdelta said:

IMI A said:

krisdelta said:

I think Porsche's sales model is doing them no harm whatsoever - you have to be buying stuff you don't want to get stuff you do want. Genius, really.

In the short term maybe. The UK is about to become a very different place for prestige car manufacturers when cheap money no longer available to continue to fund debt fuelled existence.

But is it? This has been a dark cloud on the horizon for what, 4-5 years and whilst the Brexit / China economy has made things less certain, there is still lots of very low APR deals - indeed I can get a loan essentially at a profit, as a basic investment is returning more than the APR on a loan!

Go for it. Different opinions create a market

Just interested in what was driving your view point - genuinely, is there a set of indicators that are reaching some critical point? It feels like a 5+ year precipice, but nothing has gone bang (to my knowledge!)

[Cheib]

av185 said:

rev-erend said:

I am amazed that british motor co dealers have not started selling 'overs.

i.e. 911 GT3 RS
10k over list... (or more)..

It's pretty commom in the US.

It would get rid of speculators.

UK OPCs cannot charge over list £ for a brand new car.

Indeed...franchise agreement forbades it. From what i have read of the MSRP overs market it sounds like some of the dealers royally take the piss.

[IMI A]

krisdelta said:

IMI A said:

krisdelta said:

IMI A said:

krisdelta said:

I think Porsche's sales model is doing them no harm whatsoever - you have to be buying stuff you don't want to get stuff you do want. Genius, really.

In the short term maybe. The UK is about to become a very different place for prestige car manufacturers when cheap money no longer available to continue to fund debt fuelled existence.

But is it? This has been a dark cloud on the horizon for what, 4-5 years and whilst the Brexit / China economy has made things less certain, there is still lots of very low APR deals - indeed I can get a loan essentially at a profit, as a basic investment is returning more than the APR on a loan!

Go for it. Different opinions create a market

Just interested in what was driving your view point - genuinely, is there a set of indicators that are reaching some critical point? It feels like a 5+ year precipice, but nothing has gone bang (to my knowledge!)

If history has taught us anything it’s that there are always crashes. Current tensions at unprecedented levels with Iran in particular but spanning Middle East, Africa, Asian Subcontinent, China, US, Russia. No decent candidate for PM, Brexit. Nos of volatile elements and actors any one of which or a combination of could be the catalyst. Other side of coin we may just continue side ways or UK growth recovers who knows but I’m a bear I’m afraid.

[Anthrograd]

Sadly, it appears Kondratiev cycles & Kuznets curves may be increasing in volatility & regularity. Presumably this is due to the accelerative effect of digital technologies, therefore boom & bust periods are/will become increasingly regular, & more & more severe.
Of course, those with either economics degrees, or a better grasp of the cycles may put me right on this: or, indeed, put it down as mere whimsy.

[Prestonese]

IMI A said:

If history has taught us anything it’s that there are always crashes. Current tensions at unprecedented levels with Iran in particular but spanning Middle East, Africa, Asian Subcontinent, China, US, Russia. No decent candidate for PM, Brexit. Nos of volatile elements and actors any one of which or a combination of could be the catalyst. Other side of coin we may just continue side ways or UK growth recovers who knows but I’m a bear I’m afraid.

Tend to agree with the view that cheap money for cars will be there even in the next downturn. The investor market supporting these regard auto loans as "low risk" and they have become the defensive option for when markets become volatile.