RE: Lamborghini mulls Le Mans hypercar entry

RE: Lamborghini mulls Le Mans hypercar entry

Thursday 8th August

Lamborghini mulls Le Mans hypercar entry

Aventador-based SC-18 could potentially evolve into WEC top class entrant for 2021 season



Lamborghini is bidding to join Aston Martin, Toyota and Glickenhaus on the grid at Le Mans in 2021 with a new hypercar class entrant that could be based on its one-off SC-18. The Italian brand is already investigating whether evolving the Aventador-based machine would be a viable starting point for its entry, with Lamborghini boss Stefano Domenicali hinting that a decision will be made by the end of this year.

โ€œThere are discussions and we are looking to understand the regulations to see if it is of interest,โ€ Domenicali told Autocar during the recent Goodwood Festival of Speed. โ€œThere is nothing to say until the evaluation is finished, and at that point the answer could be yes or no. For now, it is possible.โ€


If the company gets the go-ahead the SC-18 V12 track machine would have to face competition versions of Astonโ€™s Valkyrie, Toyotaโ€™s GR Super Sport and the 007 hypercar set to be built by Scuderia Cameron Glickenhaus. It would have to conform to the regulations of the World Endurance Championship season that begins in September 2020, where hypercar-based racing cars using hybrid powertrains will head the field in place of todayโ€™s LMP1 cars.

Domenicali said that his firm wouldnโ€™t have the financial freedom to fund the project without using the SC-18โ€™s track-focussed base, but it certainly looks to be a good starting point for such a machine, as it already uses aerodynamic features pinched from Lamborghiniโ€™s Huracan GT3 and its twelve cylinder has 770hp. Lambo would have to undertake the complex process of introducing a hybrid system, but itโ€™s something that would fit with the firmโ€™s long-term plans of naturally aspirated, hybrid road cars โ€“ and itโ€™s not like thereโ€™s a lack of EV technology available in the VW Group.

By any standard, the prospect of Lamborghini lining up on the grid in France a little under two years from now is an exciting one. Le Mans 2021 is shaping up to be quite the race...


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RevOne

Original Poster:

45 posts

97 months

Thursday 8th August
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Good news!
Top level road cars being used as a test bed for emerging technology and being flogged around famed circuits for 24hours sounds like a return to form for the this series.
Be great to see epic scraps between manufactures (eg Ford and Ferrari from the 60s) again using cars that you see on the roads.

SturdyHSV

6,438 posts

112 months

Thursday 8th August
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Really hope this class grows, McLaren + Ferrari entrants would be brilliant, Porsche is possibly a little unlikely...?

RumbleOfThunder

2,842 posts

148 months

Thursday 8th August
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Please please please please please please. Despite continued hybrid guff, Le Mans and WEC is shaping up nicely. Top marques, road-based, fast as fk and desirable.

Jammez

498 posts

152 months

Thursday 8th August
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The brief appearances of the JLOC cars at Le Mans were great to see & hear so I hope we'll see Lambos back at Le Mans soon!

E36GUY

5,846 posts

163 months

Thursday 8th August
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Be nice if Merc got involved with the Project-One as well!!


RobDown

3,558 posts

73 months

Thursday 8th August
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I'm really looking forward to the hypercars doing Le Mans. However, what I'm worried about is BoP rules.

Every time a manufacturer says they might enter I'm thinking "is that going to be the slow car that forces the whole field to turn down their engines for BoP?". I'd like to really see what these cars can do, not see them all neutered because someone has entered with a relative snail (not saying that will be Lambo, but who knows?)

clubracing

277 posts

151 months

Thursday 8th August
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While it's good to see lots of manufacturers expressing an interest in the new regulations, nothing even remotely 'ordinary' road car based is ever going to be competitive. As can be seen from the Toyota and Aston Martin efforts, they're out and out prototypes adapted to meet the requirements for road registration, which will be made in tiny numbers and bear no relation to the rest of their products. Much like the Porsche 911 GT1-98 or the Toyota GT-One etc. were.

Seeing what are effectively full on prototypes anyway, held back by having to meet regulations for road use, is less appealing to me than watching racing cars unencumbered by road car regulations.

The problem with the current LMP1H regulations is that they're too complicated and costs is far too high, so there's not enough marketing return for the expenditure. Reduce the amount of expensive technological development needed to be competitive in LMP1 and the manufacturers would come back, without the need for some tenuous 'road' car link.

The Hypno-Toad

9,656 posts

150 months

Thursday 8th August
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E36GUY said:
Be nice if Merc got involved with the Project-One as well!!
Given that it could raise the possibility of winning Le Mans, F1 WC and Formula E championships all in one year I think the chances will be fairly high.

Looking forward to the Lambo though!

DanielSan

14,364 posts

112 months

Thursday 8th August
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E36GUY said:
Be nice if Merc got involved with the Project-One as well!!
Isn't it delayed at the moment with no definite date for release?

camel_landy

2,679 posts

128 months

Thursday 8th August
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DanielSan said:
E36GUY said:
Be nice if Merc got involved with the Project-One as well!!
Isn't it delayed at the moment with no definite date for release?
Hmmm... Merc have a bit of a checkered history with Le Mans.

I agree, it would be nice to see them back but without the arrogance of their last appearance.

M

vz-r_dave

3,376 posts

163 months

Thursday 8th August
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clubracing said:
While it's good to see lots of manufacturers expressing an interest in the new regulations, nothing even remotely 'ordinary' road car based is ever going to be competitive. As can be seen from the Toyota and Aston Martin efforts, they're out and out prototypes adapted to meet the requirements for road registration, which will be made in tiny numbers and bear no relation to the rest of their products. Much like the Porsche 911 GT1-98 or the Toyota GT-One etc. were.

Seeing what are effectively full on prototypes anyway, held back by having to meet regulations for road use, is less appealing to me than watching racing cars unencumbered by road car regulations.

The problem with the current LMP1H regulations is that they're too complicated and costs is far too high, so there's not enough marketing return for the expenditure. Reduce the amount of expensive technological development needed to be competitive in LMP1 and the manufacturers would come back, without the need for some tenuous 'road' car link.
You forgot to mention that they all look the same with no real identity to the brand itself.

clubracing

277 posts

151 months

Thursday 8th August
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vz-r_dave said:
You forgot to mention that they all look the same with no real identity to the brand itself.
I don't see that as a particular problem. Compare the shapes of a Porsche 962, a Sauber C9, Jaguar XJR-12, Nissan R89C....yet in most peoples opinion the late 80's was the best era in sportscar racing.

morgs_

1,467 posts

132 months

Thursday 8th August
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RumbleOfThunder said:
Please please please please please please. Despite continued hybrid guff, Le Mans and WEC is shaping up nicely. Top marques, road-based, fast as fk and desirable.
This was exactly my response when I read the title hehe

Big Robbo

178 posts

91 months

Thursday 8th August
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It's shaping up to be something special. Hopefully the dreaded bop regulations don't kill it off before it gets going, because if anybody is capable of shooting themselves in the foot it's the ACO

virgilio

133 posts

90 months

Thursday 8th August
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RobDown said:
I'm really looking forward to the hypercars doing Le Mans. However, what I'm worried about is BoP rules.

Every time a manufacturer says they might enter I'm thinking "is that going to be the slow car that forces the whole field to turn down their engines for BoP?". I'd like to really see what these cars can do, not see them all neutered because someone has entered with a relative snail (not saying that will be Lambo, but who knows?)
Totally agree: I am afraid that everybody is getting over-excited by a formula which will just turn out to be a glorified GTE, with all technological interest being killed off by BOP. It would be great to have a true “hypercar” formula: it’s homologated in, say, the EU and it has been built in more than, say, 25 pieces? Then bring it on and see how it does against the others, with no stupid restrictions!

camel_landy

2,679 posts

128 months

Thursday 8th August
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virgilio said:
RobDown said:
I'm really looking forward to the hypercars doing Le Mans. However, what I'm worried about is BoP rules.

Every time a manufacturer says they might enter I'm thinking "is that going to be the slow car that forces the whole field to turn down their engines for BoP?". I'd like to really see what these cars can do, not see them all neutered because someone has entered with a relative snail (not saying that will be Lambo, but who knows?)
Totally agree: I am afraid that everybody is getting over-excited by a formula which will just turn out to be a glorified GTE, with all technological interest being killed off by BOP. It would be great to have a true “hypercar” formula: it’s homologated in, say, the EU and it has been built in more than, say, 25 pieces? Then bring it on and see how it does against the others, with no stupid restrictions!
+1...

M

Napolis

286 posts

158 months

Friday 9th August
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Hi
IMHO cars built to prototype Hypercar rules rather than road Hypercar rules will have an advantage due to FWD KERS keeping front tires warmer and lighter less stressed (650HP vs 800HP) petrol engines. Even though we'll make road legal examples that's the route we're going down.
Our petrol engine will be 3L TT V6 with a FWD KERS system.
This will give you a clue as to what we'll be announcing soon...

MikeT66

1,116 posts

69 months

Friday 9th August
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Napolis said:
Hi
IMHO cars built to prototype Hypercar rules rather than road Hypercar rules will have an advantage due to FWD KERS keeping front tires warmer and lighter less stressed (650HP vs 800HP) petrol engines. Even though we'll make road legal examples that's the route we're going down.
Our petrol engine will be 3L TT V6 with a FWD KERS system.
This will give you a clue as to what we'll be announcing soon...
That would be fantastic news, Jim. Best of luck, indeed.

BVB

658 posts

98 months

Saturday 10th August
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Please Lambo, do it!

RazerSauber

323 posts

5 months

Saturday 10th August
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Reminds of the Sesto Elemento from a few years ago. Would love to see Lambo have a good go at it!