RE: Lotus lined up for Volvo-Geely engines

RE: Lotus lined up for Volvo-Geely engines

Monday 7th October 2019

Lotus lined up for Volvo-Geely engines

Plans for a standalone powertrain company might spell the end of Toyota engines in future Lotus models



Future Lotus models will likely use combustion and hybrid powertrains co-developed by Geely and Volvo, following the merging of existing engine production into one, newly formed division. The just-announced operation, which could supply third parties as well as Geely’s own automotive brands, suggests the days of Toyota’s deal to provide Lotus with engines may be numbered – and begs the question what will power Hethel’s forthcoming new sports car. 

CEO Phil Popham recently made it clear that the upcoming model “will have an internal combustion engine” but refrained from giving further details. It seems unlikely that a joint Geely-Volvo operation would be capable of supplying the car with a new petrol motor given the timeline - but that doesn’t preclude the use of the current lineup. While no earth-shaker, Volvo’s current 2.0-litre four-cylinder unit offers 303hp in its present guise, and Lotus has proven itself adept at dragging better performance from formerly humdrum engines. Given the stringent emissions regulations the new model will have to face globally, the choice might yet prove a smart fit. 


Of course, that’s all speculative for now. At a corporate level, Geely expects to safeguard engineering jobs within the group following the merger. The Chinese auto giant predicts that around 3,000 Volvo and 5,000 Geely employees will be moved from their respective posts to the new division, with zero jobs lost in the process. Obviously that’s good news for all involved, and comes very soon after Lotus CEO Popham said his brand would likely need its own expansion thanks to anticipated future demand.

Broadly speaking, the strategy ought to be of benefit to Lotus. The brand has previously suffered for its place in the queue when it came to shared resources - but, as evidenced by the reveal of the 2,000hp Evija, Hethel can now expect its new halo status to earn it a place at the head of the line.


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redroadster

Original Poster:

1,746 posts

233 months

Monday 7th October 2019
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Hope they thrive with new owner ,think some of Volvo smart interior bits could also work not fussy but clean designs ,engines are modern so that's helpful for lotus .

Exige77

6,518 posts

192 months

Monday 7th October 2019
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Evija power gone down already ? Don’t car people proof read what they write ?

itcaptainslow

3,703 posts

137 months

Monday 7th October 2019
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Hopefully (as said in the article) Lotus can continue to sprinkle their star dust on whatever powertrain they ship in.

The K-Series was a perfect fit for the S1 Elise, the Toyota 1ZR/2ZR units in the S2 surprisingly characterful especially with a decent exhaust fitted, and the V6 in the Evora unrecognisable from humble origins.

JxJ Jr.

652 posts

71 months

Monday 7th October 2019
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Article said:
Plans for a standalone powertrain company might spell the end of Toyota engines in future Lotus models.
Plans for Geely to buy Lotus is more likely what spelt the end of Toyota engines in future Lotus models.

anonymous-user

55 months

Monday 7th October 2019
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The Volvo VEA four pots are as "meh" as it's possible for an engine to get, none of them seem even remotely suitable for sports car duties as it stands. Still, needs must and if anyone can make some silk purses out of sows ears it's Lotus!

GingerMunky

1,167 posts

258 months

Monday 7th October 2019
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Great news for Lotus, the Geely / Volvo backing is what they need to develop the cars and innovate. Excited for the future of Lotus smile

GingerMunky

1,167 posts

258 months

Monday 7th October 2019
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stickleback123 said:
The Volvo VEA four pots are as "meh" as it's possible for an engine to get, none of them seem even remotely suitable for sports car duties as it stands. Still, needs must and if anyone can make some silk purses out of sows ears it's Lotus!
Much like the Toyota V6 in the Camry, until it is fitted with a super charger and unleashed in the Exige/Evora smile
Lotus will make the Volvo four pot their own, just like they did with the Rover K-Series.

Now some well chosen and modified Volvo switch gear, together with an army of Volvo / Geely engineers to help out, Lotus cars are about to go next level and become very much a resurgent brand/manufacturer.

Frimley111R

15,677 posts

235 months

Monday 7th October 2019
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Jesus, this is the biggest non story ever. A realignment of engine production from another (admittedly, related) manufacturers and its an entire news article on PH about how Lotus COULD be affected Pure speculation.

I am sure it's a slow news today but 'creative' writing seems to be reaching new heights on PH

WTFWT

841 posts

224 months

Monday 7th October 2019
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stickleback123 said:
The Volvo VEA four pots are as "meh" as it's possible for an engine to get, none of them seem even remotely suitable for sports car duties as it stands. Still, needs must and if anyone can make some silk purses out of sows ears it's Lotus!
I agree. When even the most hum-drum hire cars seem to have peppy, smooth motors, I thought the Volvo 4cyl was noticeably uncouth and uninspiring. I thought I wanted a Volvo until I sat behind that engine.

Truckosaurus

11,329 posts

285 months

Monday 7th October 2019
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I like the noise my Mum's 3-cylinder Volvo makes, it would be an interesting engine in an Elise sized car. paperbag

anonymous-user

55 months

Monday 7th October 2019
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Truckosaurus said:
I like the noise my Mum's 3-cylinder Volvo makes, it would be an interesting engine in an Elise sized car. paperbag
Good point, the 3 pot is much more amusing.

The V90/S90 have massive showroom appeal and I went to test drive one ready to order, but fk me are they a mediocre drive.

WTFWT

841 posts

224 months

Monday 7th October 2019
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stickleback123 said:
Good point, the 3 pot is much more amusing.

The V90/S90 have massive showroom appeal and I went to test drive one ready to order, but fk me are they a mediocre drive.
+1

It’s rare these days that cars are genuinely disappointing. Even the blandest fare usually has thrashability going for it.

The Volvos were awfully beige to drive.

Frimley111R

15,677 posts

235 months

Monday 7th October 2019
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WTFWT said:
The Volvos were awfully beige to drive.
Audis are renowned for being utterly bland to drive but 99% of people couldn't care less. The badge and quality interior and toys is far more important to the average buyer.

Beige equals comfy and easy to most.

anonymous-user

55 months

Monday 7th October 2019
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Frimley111R said:
WTFWT said:
The Volvos were awfully beige to drive.
Audis are renowned for being utterly bland to drive but 99% of people couldn't care less. The badge and quality interior and toys is far more important to the average buyer.

Beige equals comfy and easy to most.
Yes I'd say the current Volvo range is what Audi used to be / purport to be; tasteful, understated, neatly styled, comfortable cars with fine interiors and no consideration whatsoever for driving dynamics.

WTFWT

841 posts

224 months

Monday 7th October 2019
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Frimley111R said:
Audis are renowned for being utterly bland to drive but 99% of people couldn't care less. The badge and quality interior and toys is far more important to the average buyer.

Beige equals comfy and easy to most.
Dynamically they get panned, but they usually have decent engines and they always feel quite boosty which provides some limited (and one dimensional) entertainment.

NJJ

435 posts

81 months

Monday 7th October 2019
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Bye bye 6-cylinder engines for Lotus. Shame.

Jon_S_Rally

3,418 posts

89 months

Monday 7th October 2019
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NJJ said:
Bye bye 6-cylinder engines for Lotus. Shame.
Given that they lived for years on the 2.2 four-pot, you could argue that they're going back to where they used to be with small engines!

lotuslover69

269 posts

144 months

Monday 7th October 2019
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Fairly sure there was a recent article on Lotus getting over 400bhp out of a Volvo 4cylinder in testing.

Repent

358 posts

174 months

Monday 7th October 2019
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stickleback123 said:
Yes I'd say the current Volvo range is what Audi used to be / purport to be; tasteful, understated, neatly styled, comfortable cars with fine interiors and no consideration whatsoever for driving dynamics.
This is really interesting to me, a few of you sharing this view.

I had a V90 D5 R Design as a hire car for a Scotland tour and I was just blown away by how good a car it was, as a car. The engine, all wheel drive, gearbox, interior, exterior, autopilot II tech was all fantastic. I totally agree they don’t drive well when pushed but it was so communicative towards that not being it’s thing, in a safe and comfortable way, that I didn’t find myself wanting to.

My previous car for 2 years was an Elise 111S. The ideal if we can comfortably stretch to it over the next few years, once we’ve left London, is an XC90 D5 R Design and an Elise 220 in some form for the weekends. Perfect daily bliss and weekend fun for the road.

dunnoreally

971 posts

109 months

Monday 7th October 2019
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No chance of something revvy and normally aspirated to go in a new boggo-spec Elise, then? frown