RE: Aston Martin Vantage AMR | Driven

RE: Aston Martin Vantage AMR | Driven

Wednesday 23rd October 2019

2020 Aston Martin Vantage AMR | UK Review

Has the Vantage with a clutch pedal been worth the long wait?



Most of us will know what it's like to make a promise that later seems like a less good idea, or even just far too much hassle. I was in the small group of journos that heard Aston's newly arrived boss Andy Palmer commit the company to the option of manual transmissions in what were then its next generation of cars. This was at the Geneva show in 2015 and Palmer was fresh from introducing the DBX concept to widespread acclaim and was happy to share his longer-term vision for the brand in what was probably more detail than his PR minders wanted him to let on.

Four years later and the Vantage manual is here to fulfil that pledge, but arrives into a world where both Palmer and the wider company have considerably bigger concerns, principally the sliding share price since last year's IPO and the need to get the DBX over the line and into production to generate the cash needed to keep the everything afloat. Against that a new gearbox that even Aston execs admit will be of minority interest pretty much everywhere now looks like an indulgence. But a welcome one: barring trucks this is set to be the most powerful car fitted with a clutch pedal.

Getting a manual transmission to work with the Vantage was what engineers call a non-trivial task. The base gearbox is the same dog-leg seven-speed Graziano transaxle that was used with the previous-generation V12 Vantage S, and which sits at the rear of the car connected to the engine by a torque tube. Using it meant getting it to play nice with both the Mercedes electrical architecture and the AMG-sourced 4.0-litre V8, a motor that was never designed to work with something as crude as do-it-yourself gears.


Doing that has meant reducing the engine's torque output, from the 505 lb-ft of the automatic Vantage to a peak of 461 lb-ft. Aston chief engineer Matt Becker admits that this has to be further limited in first and second gear, to 313 lb-ft in Track mode and just 266lb ft in Sport and Sport Plus. The challenge of integrating the manual box with the Vantage's active rear differential was so great that "we didn't even consider it" according to Becker; instead it has a conventional mechanical LSD at the back.

As the limited-to-200 Vantage AMR it is 100kg lighter than the automatic version, although Becker says that around 30kg of that saving comes from standard-fit carbon ceramic brakes. Static weight distribution has moved slightly forwards - the AMR having 51 percent of its mass sitting over its front wheels versus a perfect 50/50 for the auto - and it is also slower off the line. Aston claims a 3.9-sec 0-60mph, against 3.5 for the standard car.

The Vantage's launch event was held at the Nurburgring, although the invitation made clear that it wouldn't involve track driving, rather using Aston's engineering centre as a base for a route of local roads. This produced plenty of "I might just sneak off for a quick lap" banter from the lucky attendees, but after arriving in torrential rain I find myself not exactly sad that my first experience of the Vantage isn't going to be on the Nordschliefe. Ten minutes later, and after an unscripted moment involving a fair amount of opposite lock while the stability control is fully on, I'm profoundly grateful not to be on the World's Crashiest Racetrack.


Sodden conditions are undoubtedly responsible for the difficulty the P-Zeros have finding traction, but even on shallower corners and with relatively small throttle openings the Vantage's rear axle struggles to grip. While the regular Vantage also has a rear-endy handling balance I don't remember it feeling as raw as this. The manual is missing the active differential's ability to juggle torque from side to side, but also the torque converter's capacity for smoothing the abruptness with which the engine's considerable low-down urge arrives.

More miles, and what is soon a drying surface, reveal that beyond initial slip the stability control will step in hard to restore order, and there's an undoubted frisson of excitement in driving a road car so determined never to surrender to understeer. At higher speeds traction ceases to be an issue; it feels stable and utterly planted on a still-greasy stretch of derestricted Autobahn at 200km/h. The AMG V8 itself is as mighty as ever, savagely fast and with what has to be one of the finest turbocharged soundtracks in the world.

Which brings us, eventually, to the gearbox itself. In the excitement of trying to keep the car pointing in something approximating the intended direction harvesting impressions of the new transmission took a back seat; the only thing that really came through was how often the dog-leg layout had me in an unintended gear, but also how little this mattered.


Owning a car with a dog-leg box myself - although with increasingly distant memories of actually driving it - there's no excuse for my frequent confusion between ratios, although left-hand drive was another complicating factor. To be honest, the engine has more than enough low-down urge to mean there's no real need to use the down-and-left first; the Vantage will pull away cleanly from standstill in second and from that point onwards you can just treat the box in the normal way with the engine's prodigious torque sufficient to mask the fact that you are one gear higher.

While the bulbous selector itself looks a bit Mazda-like and under-endowed for something so muscular (I'm trying to get the knob jokes out of the way) the action has a nice weight and obviously mechanical feel to it. It can be shifted quickly and cleanly, but doesn't like to be rushed across the planes of the gate. I found the fourth-to-third downshift the hardest to get right, with the Vantage ending up in fifth a fair percentage of the time when I tried it. Owners will quickly get used to it - and then start mis-shifting everything else as muscle memory takes over.

Like the V12 Vantage S, the new Vantage manual has a rev-matching function dubbed AMSHIFT, which works aggressively and accurately on downshifts but has also gained the ability to allow flat-shifting on the way up the box, cutting the throttle as soon as the clutch is depressed. Both work well, although it is possible to turn them off if you want to prove that you can't manage quite as well yourself.


Just 200 of the Vantage AMR will be produced, but I didn't actually get to drive one. Aston says it wants to keep the cars for the customers, so the press demonstrators were all normal Vantages that had been brought up to pretty much the same spec. That's alright, because once the AMRs are sold the company plans to continue to offer the manual transmission as an ongoing option with the regular Vantage. Whether Aston will ever attempt anything similar depends on how many times that order form box gets ticked.

Would I? Um, I have to reluctantly admit probably not. Despite being a sufficient fan of manual boxes to have not even considered a PDK when buying my 987 Cayman S it's getting increasingly hard to fault the way that modern autoboxes deliver the best of all worlds. There's a huge amount to like about the idea of an Aston with a third pedal, but the manual lacks the auto's polish and, as I discovered in the wet, also some of its stability. It might be the most interesting Vantage, and probably the most exciting - but it isn't the best all-rounder.


ASTON MARTIN VANTAGE AMR - SPECIFICATION
Engine: 3982cc, V8, twin-turbocharged
Transmission: Seven-speed manual, rear wheel drive
Power (hp): 510 @ 6000rpm
Torque (lb ft): 461 @ 2000rpm - 5000rpm
0-60mph: 3.9-second
Top speed: 200mph (limited)
Weight: 1430 kg (dry)
MPG: TBC
CO2: 285g/km [NEDC]
Price: £149,995

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rare6499

Original Poster:

657 posts

139 months

Wednesday 23rd October 2019
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Fair play to AM for offering this. Sounds like a lot of fun.

drpep

1,758 posts

168 months

Wednesday 23rd October 2019
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rare6499 said:
Fair play to AM for offering this. Sounds like a lot of fun.
Absolutely this. It’s neither cheap nor easy to integrate a manual in a car like this, as described well in the article.

I’m glad they chose to offer a manual all the same. Despite this probably being objectively the lesser of the transmission options, the more involvement at the expensive of some stability is a worthwhile trade in my opinion. Put another way, I can’t recall a single time I’ve regretted a manual option over pdk/dsg/dct or the likes.

A1VDY

3,575 posts

127 months

Wednesday 23rd October 2019
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Gearbox types aside, it seems manufacturers now are competing for the ugliest looking car prize and this AM is nearing the top. Both front and rear are cheap and tacky looking. The rear in particular looks crumpled..

Court_S

12,937 posts

177 months

Wednesday 23rd October 2019
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Why are all Aston Martin steering wheels so bloody hideous?

I still can’t decide if I like the Vantage. Sometimes I think it looks great others too fussy.

menousername

2,108 posts

142 months

Wednesday 23rd October 2019
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Why is the gearstick sitting off-centre? Doesn’t appear to be in gear so wondered why its not sitting in the middle

Snozzer

127 posts

141 months

Wednesday 23rd October 2019
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Certainly not rear of the year!

Turini

418 posts

166 months

Wednesday 23rd October 2019
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Going to get some grief for saying this but that looks so compromised, anachronistic gear leaver sticking out of the dashboard. The work that goes into integrating drivetrain, electronics and onboard systems that we all rely on in everyday driving has gone out of the window and during the review there was confusion over which gear had been manually selected....

On today’s cars with power and torque outputs that shame a 70’s F1 car we are long past fully manual gearboxes. Driving evolves and it has evolved past that point of technology - our challenge is to extract enjoy and a connection with current and future technological development.

Before I kicked off this site for saying the above, firstly think about the direct drive we’ll all have with EVs, better to exploit that surely and secondly (if the wife allows its) my next toy will be a Proteus C Type - don’t mess up technology for the sake of it...

RSchneider

215 posts

164 months

Wednesday 23rd October 2019
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Not sure how potential buyers see this, but with the manual gearbox setting it apart from the AMG GT this car is finally where it should be.

robm3

4,927 posts

227 months

Wednesday 23rd October 2019
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Slightly OT but has anyone drive the F-type Manual?
Is it any good?


nolan122

3 posts

146 months

Wednesday 23rd October 2019
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menousername said:
Why is the gearstick sitting off-centre? Doesn’t appear to be in gear so wondered why its not sitting in the middle
its between 4th and 5th, like a normal gearstick would sit between 3rd and 4th. Its because its a dog leg

arkenphel

484 posts

205 months

Wednesday 23rd October 2019
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That knob looks un-special. A simple ball would look much nicer.

And yes, the steering wheel is ugly too.

Good effort on the manual though.

aston addict

423 posts

158 months

Wednesday 23rd October 2019
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Car looks much better in this colour- fair play to Aston for producing a manual version, and a well-written article!

Nerdherder

1,773 posts

97 months

Wednesday 23rd October 2019
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A good move to make for AM to add a manual and honest + interesting information in the article. I liked rading this one.

Could not live with the interior styling, hope they fix it and also add a bit more elegance to the exterior styling in an update of the Vantage.
The upcoming mid-engined supercar looks stellar by the way.

200Plus Club

10,756 posts

278 months

Wednesday 23rd October 2019
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Snozzer said:
Certainly not rear of the year!
And comedy front end. Proper dogs dinner..

sidesauce

2,476 posts

218 months

Wednesday 23rd October 2019
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Turini said:
Going to get some grief for saying this but that looks so compromised, anachronistic gear leaver sticking out of the dashboard. The work that goes into integrating drivetrain, electronics and onboard systems that we all rely on in everyday driving has gone out of the window and during the review there was confusion over which gear had been manually selected....

On today’s cars with power and torque outputs that shame a 70’s F1 car we are long past fully manual gearboxes. Driving evolves and it has evolved past that point of technology - our challenge is to extract enjoy and a connection with current and future technological development.

Before I kicked off this site for saying the above, firstly think about the direct drive we’ll all have with EVs, better to exploit that surely and secondly (if the wife allows its) my next toy will be a Proteus C Type - don’t mess up technology for the sake of it...
Great post and fully agree with this!

I understand the point of manual transmissions in cars like Caterams, Lotus, MX-5's etc but for the vast majority of drivers on public roads, sitting in traffic, dealing with kids etc there's simply no point in having a manual - most people don't enjoy driving in general, it's mostly a necessity for them to get from A to B.

I've been given a Fiat 500 as a 'courtesy car' while my car is in garage for repairs and, having owned a Cinquecento years ago, thought I might enjoy the proposition as I reminisced about how much fun I'd had in the old Fiat but having had it for a couple of days I absolutely do NOT miss manual transmissions - I realise this is the first car I've driven in over 10 years that isn't an automatic/dsg/pdk of some description. I'll never go back.

wab172uk

2,005 posts

227 months

Wednesday 23rd October 2019
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Not a huge fan of the looks. But this car has become hugely more desirable with the inclusion of a manual gearbox.

Will it accelerate as quickly as the Auto version. No. I don't care.
Will it achieve a slower lap time over the Auto version. Yes. I don't care.
Will it be as fast to hustle down your favourite fast A-B road? No. I don't care.

Every drive in this manual version will be more of an event. It puts you in control, which is what I want. I'd rather drive a manual at 7-8 tenths, then an Auto at 10 tenths.

If you commute into London or any main city, the Auto box will be for you. But well done Aston, for giving us that prefer a manual the choice.

Now if you could take my S3 as a swap ...........

snuffy

9,765 posts

284 months

Wednesday 23rd October 2019
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Put the new engine in the previous shape Vantage.

There, I've sorted the car for Aston Martin now.

BigChiefmuffinAgain

1,062 posts

98 months

Wednesday 23rd October 2019
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I guess it is good that Aston have gone to the effort - and it seems to be a considerable one - to turn this into a manual.

I know lots of people on this site turn snooty at anything with an auto box but I genuinely do wonder if these same people are actually in the market for these cars, in the here and now, as opposed to hoping to maybe buy a second hand one in 10 years time.

Car manufacturers just want to relieve you of your money as easily and painlessly as possible. The fact is that most of the other sports car manufacturers have given up on the manual box because of lack of interest from their customers. I know that resources at Aston are very stretched at the mo, and I just hope that they get a return on this.... Not sure in reality if they will actually sell very many.

AlexFell93

12 posts

56 months

Wednesday 23rd October 2019
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I'm fairly astonished at the negativity in the comments given that PHers are usually pining for manual transmissions. Aston should be applauded for going to the trouble of being the last supercar manufacturer offering the choice of a manual. If you don't like it, don't spec it but be grateful that you were offered the choice.

For what it's worth I think the Vantage looks good, perhaps a bit fussy in some of the details but overall it's a great shape.

Trophy222

12 posts

173 months

Wednesday 23rd October 2019
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Most powerful car with a clutch pedal? There are loads of American muscle cars with more power (and more importantly torque, which is really the limiting factor) than 500bhp/500lbft here