Car prices increasing January 2020 - Excess Emissions

[troika]

I was looking at a new Subaru yesterday. Chatting to the DP, he said that prices were increasing by ‘a couple of grand’ in January due to an EU Excess Emissions Premium. Apparently this is due to manufacturers who have an average CO2 figure of over 95g being charged a huge penalty.

I can’t find much info on this and the actual impact on different vehicle prices in 30 days time. Does anyone know the detail around this? Obviously the Subaru dealer wants me to buy now by saying it will cost more in January...

[Shaw Tarse]

Tell them you are now concerned that this will affect resale & possibly "road tax" values & yo now need a discount to cover this

[FiF]

I started a thread on the same subject, also looking at Subaru. Interesting that they say about 2k increase.

Did the DP say it varied according to which vehicle you purchased? Or do they average it out?

I'm flaming miles from Subaru dealer so don't feel like a special trip as car I'm looking at 2020 Outback isn't released in UK. Guess it's going to be a hybrid like the new Forester, and probably no 2.4 turbo.

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

[troika]

FiF said:

I started a thread on the same subject, also looking at Subaru. Interesting that they say about 2k increase.

Did the DP say it varied according to which vehicle you purchased? Or do they average it out?

I'm flaming miles from Subaru dealer so don't feel like a special trip as car I'm looking at 2020 Outback isn't released in UK. Guess it's going to be a hybrid like the new Forester, and probably no 2.4 turbo.

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

Sorry, I missed your thread. It was a bit vague to be honest but 2 or 3 grand was mentioned. I’m looking at an XV. I don’t get the hybrid (rural user) so 2 litre petrol. My concern is that they could be priced off the road altogether and dealers could just disappear as a result. Like you, I can’t see any other manufacturer or motoring website talking about it and the actual cost impact on different models.

[troika]

Shaw Tarse said:

Tell them you are now concerned that this will affect resale & possibly "road tax" values & yo now need a discount to cover this

Indeed. I’m more concerned that they might just decide to withdraw from the UK altogether if sales take a big hit.

[FiF]

troika said:

Shaw Tarse said:

Tell them you are now concerned that this will affect resale & possibly "road tax" values & yo now need a discount to cover this

Indeed. I’m more concerned that they might just decide to withdraw from the UK altogether if sales take a big hit.

Dealers are few and far between as it is. That link on the other thread to the EU site explaining it is a bit confusing, especially as Subaru are regarded as a niche manufacturer.

It seemed to me that the charge as imposed by EU might not be that much next year, but would clearly go up in future years. Plus the calculation is based on a reduction from 2007 emission figures, but couldn't find those.

I'm also fairly rural, and it wouldn't be a big mileage vehicle, so not too bothered about mpg, where Subaru have never been great. But a charge of any magnitude alters the decision process. Not helped by not being clear what happens after Brexit, Subaru says it will still apply, but who knows. Our Govt is stupid enough to increase it.

[anonymous-user]

troika said:

Shaw Tarse said:

Tell them you are now concerned that this will affect resale & possibly "road tax" values & yo now need a discount to cover this

Indeed. I’m more concerned that they might just decide to withdraw from the UK altogether if sales take a big hit.

I am actually amazed they still sell cars in the Uk, I can't remember the last time I saw a brand new Subaru.

[troika]

They told me the 2 litre petrol is being stopped altogether on the XV. I guess they want all hybrid to bring the co2 figures down. I don’t want a hybrid or to pay the premium for a hybrid so if I can do the right deal on a 2 litre I’ll buy one.

The problem is that for what I want and need out of a vehicle, nothing comes close to a Subaru, or more specifically, an XV in my case.

[mids]

I remember reading a while ago Subaru explaining how they were happy to delay working on EV's and to sit back and let other manufacturers do the R&D first.

Maybe now they're realising why this might have been a mistake....

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-06-05...

[troika]

Interesting. Of course, they are part owned by Toyota and have clout behind them. I don’t want a hybrid, I think it will be obsolete before petrol as more full EV’s come to market.

Surely this issue can’t only apply to Subaru? I can find very little on google to say who else will be hit.

[mids]

This guy posts a lot of info about what different manufacturers are doing regarding this : https://twitter.com/auto_schmidt

[ZX10R NIN]

This is one of the reasons certain manufacturers are dropping models from their European line ups or are withdrawing altogether.

[troika]

ZX10R NIN said:

This is one of the reasons certain manufacturers are dropping models from their European line ups or are withdrawing altogether.

Who is dropping which models / withdrawing?

[troika]

FiF said:

Dealers are few and far between as it is. That link on the other thread to the EU site explaining it is a bit confusing, especially as Subaru are regarded as a niche manufacturer.

It seemed to me that the charge as imposed by EU might not be that much next year, but would clearly go up in future years. Plus the calculation is based on a reduction from 2007 emission figures, but couldn't find those.

I'm also fairly rural, and it wouldn't be a big mileage vehicle, so not too bothered about mpg, where Subaru have never been great. But a charge of any magnitude alters the decision process. Not helped by not being clear what happens after Brexit, Subaru says it will still apply, but who knows. Our Govt is stupid enough to increase it.

Just done a deal a on brand new pre reg XV. Great price and a fantastic P/Ex on my Forester (will miss it), a no brainer really. If you are after a new Subaru, now is definitely the time to act, prices will go up.

[Unclegerry]

troika said:

Just done a deal a on brand new pre reg XV. Great price and a fantastic P/Ex on my Forester (will miss it), a no brainer really. If you are after a new Subaru, now is definitely the time to act, prices will go up.

Hi Troika

What sort of deal did you get on the XV ? How do you find the CVT box ?

[Tannedbaldhead]

troika said:

ZX10R NIN said:

This is one of the reasons certain manufacturers are dropping models from their European line ups or are withdrawing altogether.

Who is dropping which models / withdrawing?

Infinity for one.

[troika]

Unclegerry said:

troika said:

Just done a deal a on brand new pre reg XV. Great price and a fantastic P/Ex on my Forester (will miss it), a no brainer really. If you are after a new Subaru, now is definitely the time to act, prices will go up.

Hi Troika

What sort of deal did you get on the XV ? How do you find the CVT box ?

We agreed a cost to change, it’s the only figure that matters to me. However, if I took the WBAC figure on mine (which actually seems pretty good), it’s a circa 20% discount. If you want a 2 litre non hybrid, you’ll need to move quickly, not many left.

Not picked it up yet but box seems absolutely fine. Not that I have a choice of gearbox! The XV is quite a niche product, but if you fit in that niche, there really is nothing else to touch it.

[Electronicpants]

Tannedbaldhead said:

troika said:

ZX10R NIN said:

This is one of the reasons certain manufacturers are dropping models from their European line ups or are withdrawing altogether.

Who is dropping which models / withdrawing?

Infinity for one.

Mazda have stopped taking factory orders for the Mx5 as well.