RE: Volkswagen T-Roc R vs Ford Focus ST Estate

RE: Volkswagen T-Roc R vs Ford Focus ST Estate

Sunday 26th January 2020

Volkswagen T-Roc R vs Ford Focus ST Estate

The old way of doing fast for the family, against the new - which is better?



Is there anything less appealing to the general motoring public, right now at least, than the compact estate car? While always afflicted by a slightly fuddy-duddy image, the traditional family wagon seems at an especially low ebb of desirability. And we all know why that is - the rise of the SUV. Why inflict a boxy, dowdy old load-lugger on your active lifestyle when there's a tough 'n' trendy alternative? The demand for crossovers, Sports Activity Coupes, Super Sports Utility Vehicles, the whole genre in fact, is insatiable.

We're 20 years into the phenomenon now, with the ML55 AMG claiming the dubious accolade of being the very first, and the genre now extends to all shapes, sizes and budgets. The new VW T-Roc R is toward one end; cars like the Lamborghini Urus are at the other.

At this point we know the R is good. We've driven it twice already, and it will almost certainly prove popular - no matter what is said or written about it. But does it have the talent to see off a proper family-sized C segment wagon, one based on a group test-winning hot hatch? The Focus ST is right out of the practical fast Ford playbook - a playbook which stretches back decades to when Shed was a boy. It is also cheaper, lighter and larger. And that's just for starters.



Of course we all know that car buying-decisions are not based on such trivialities. Or not the interesting ones at any rate. The T-Roc does a fine job of convincing you that its premium billing is well deserved. It looks very well proportioned and appropriately aggressive from the outside, and stylish yet intuitive on the inside. The Volkswagen honey trap, in other words. Middle class fly paper.

Of course it slogs unfussily down the M4; anything else would be a betrayal of the brand. But it is the B roads where the R works its magic. We've come to expect the effortless speed and drama-free ability that speaks to Volkwagen's chassis tuning, not to mention the go-faster efficiency of its 2.0-litre turbocharged four-pot and 4Motion all-wheel-drive system. The surprise is that there's additional strata of likability beneath its ground covering capabilities.

It helps that the T-Roc is compact and squat and therefore entirely right-sized for a British B-road. Moreover, those dimensions exert an influence on the handling - at 4,234mm it's shorter than a Golf - making for a wieldy, confidence-inspiring drive. Never less than chunky, sure, but in a way that suggests it's at ease with its kerbweight. It steers cleanly and consistently, handles the road's imperfections adroitly and shows a fair resistance to understeer - as well as a willingness to adjust cornering line if it does happen. It's hard to find genuine fault with.

There is so much polish to the T-Roc's way of doing things that the Ford wagon comes as a shock. Obviously there is a manual 'box to contend with and an innate front-drive disadvantage in traction terms - but there is also a boisterous, take-no-prisoners edge to the ST which stands it apart from the genteel Volkswagen.



The ST's nose darts at steering input thanks to that exaggerated, feel-the-difference rate of response that Ford favours. Sport and Track drive modes only exacerbate this, toppping it off with a hair-trigger throttle. The chassis feels more aggressive in every regard, despite being a considerably larger car. It rides with more edge, too, and gets especially pointy if you start experimenting with brake and throttle in a corner.

The long and short of it is that the Focus driver is going to have to put a lot more effort into going slower. The T-Roc may suffer from a weight disadvantage, but its seven dual-clutch ratios make it more accelerative than Ford's DIY six, and obviously it has that extra traction to lean on. It also requires less thought about inputs and outcomes, being more forgiving by nature.

The flip side, of course, is that the Focus is a proper giggle once you are accustomed to its quirks. It may only have a front axle to drive through, but it does an excellent job of putting its 280hp on the road. Ford's admirable commitment to direct and engaging handling is as clear to see here as it is in the Fiesta. Attune yourself to the flighty steering and you realise it is well matched to the chassis, which is also adaptively damped - and best left in its default setting. Elsewhere the manual is welcome in an auto-dominated world; there's ample torque to leave it in one ratio, or sufficient reward from changing gear to flick between them on a good road.

Learning a chassis is always more fun than having one dictated to you, but that hardly relegates the T-Roc to immediate second place. Because when it comes to trudging back along the M4, the VW is where you want to be. The infotainment doesn't induce even one bit of rage - unlike the Ford's - it's a tad quieter at a cruise and the seats are just as comfy, despite looking less inviting. If your lifestyle involves frequent trips to Bike Park Wales, then the T-Roc R is probably the one to take there.



That is, assuming there isn't much to transport. Without wishing to sound too practical on PH, there's no escaping the fact that this Volkswagen requires some considerable sacrifices for the sake of being trendy. It's just not that big. While it's easy to picture bikes Seasuckered to the roof and adult occupants crammed inside - because people will compromise for cool - the T Roc is a difficult car to make an objective case for if you're transporting an actual family: 1,237 litres of boot space with the seats down is only four more than you get from a Golf hatch.

The Focus, on the other hand, is vast. While being more than a foot longer can make it feel ponderous at slower speeds, it pays substantial dividends when it comes to actually lugging stuff around. Adults can sit behind adults, for one thing. Drop those seats and it becomes cavernous: 1,576 litres is a huge amount more space. Hatchback-based estates mnever will be - but there's little arguing with the benefits.

For those who require something ostensibly practical to actually be usable, then, the Focus ST is a mightily attractive package. It won't win any beauty pageants, but the downright good sense of outfitting a sorted hot hatch with an enormous boot is rock solid. There's so little trade-off that the wagon might be the pick of the range. In comparison, the T-Roc seems heavily compromised - and expensive.

Still, trends never did care much for the stale realities of everyday viability; the T-Roc R is exactly the kind of performance car the buying public wants right now, and expect it to be greedily lapped up. The Focus is our winner here - and if that feels like a vote for yourdad's trainers, then so be it. In an ideal world, you'd want the Focus's usability and fun factor merged with the T-Roc's feel-good charm. That would be the best compromise - something fanciful like a Golf R estate. But that would never catch on, right?


SPECIFICATION - VOLKSWAGEN T-ROC R

Engine: 1,984cc, four-cyl turbo
Transmission: 7-speed dual-clutch automatic, all-wheel drive
Power (hp): 300@5,300rpm
Torque (lb ft): 295@2,000-5,200rpm
0-62mph: 4.8sec
Top speed: 155mph
Weight: 1,575kg (DIN)
MPG: 31.3
CO2: 176-171g/km
Price: £38,450 (as standard; price as tested £41,699.19, comprised of Flash Red paint for £360), rear view camera for £185, Dynamic Chassis Control for £695, Driver's Assistance Pack Plus (Emergency Assist, High Beam Assist, Side Scan, Trsoundpack (eight channel digital amp, subwoofer, 400w output and six speakers) for £425, pre-crash preventative occupant protection for £150, winter pack (heated front seats and heated washer jets) for £300 and Vodaphone S5-VTS tracker with one year subscription for £534.19 including fitting.)

SPECIFICATION - FORD FOCUS ST
Engine:
2,261cc, four-cyl turbo
Transmission: 6-speed manual, front-wheel drive
Power (hp): 280@5,500rpm
Torque (lb ft): 310@3,000-4,000rpm
0-62mph: 5.8 secs
Top speed: 155mph
Weight: 1,543kg (lightest kerbweight with 75kg driver, full fluids and 90 per cent fuel)
MPG: 35.7
CO2: 179g/km
Price: £33,695 (as standard; price as tested £37,090, comprised of Performance Blue paint for £800, Panoramic roof for £995, Blind Spot Information System for £400, Ford Performance Pack (Track drive mode, shift light, launch control, rev matching, multi colour ambient light) for £250, Head-up display for £400, Wireless charging pad for £100 and Hands-free tailgate for £450.)




















Photos | Dafydd Wood

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evo2073

Original Poster:

32 posts

140 months

Saturday 25th January 2020
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Hatchback-based estates mnever will be??

Not sure how that slipped past the proof rea.... oooh so this is normal lol

Good review, I was rooting for the Focus

ArnageWRC

2,069 posts

160 months

Saturday 25th January 2020
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Cheaper, lighter, and more space.....it's obviously the Focus. But you can bet which will likely sell more......

DoubleD

22,154 posts

109 months

Saturday 25th January 2020
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Im sure this thread will quickly fill up with all the usual SUV comments from all the usual posters.

G.Fraser

206 posts

127 months

Saturday 25th January 2020
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I picked up my Focus ST estate last weekend and I'm dead chuffed with it! It was very, very difficult to part with my Mountuned Mk2 ST but the new car is great for my kids now that they're getting bigger. I've not properly got my toe down yet as still running in, but it feels much more serious than my Mk2 did when it was standard.

I'm a big fan of the Mk2's looks and I did feel as though one of the compromises of changing was aesthetic appeal, but actually I am much happier with the looks now I have the car.

Just to pick up the article on a couple of points, firstly only the hatchback has adaptive dampers as they are fixed on the estate. Secondly, track mode is only available as part of the Performance Pack, which itself is only an option for the hatchback. That is, unless Ford have changed the option availability since I ordered last November, which would be a bit annoying as I would've had the Performance Pack!

Some pics of my new baby at collection last week!






anonymous-user

55 months

Saturday 25th January 2020
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Looks smart in orange. Congrats.

GT03ROB

13,270 posts

222 months

Saturday 25th January 2020
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Really like the look of the current crop of Fords, Focus Estate is one of the best of them

G.Fraser

206 posts

127 months

Saturday 25th January 2020
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Elatino1 said:
Looks smart in orange. Congrats.
Thank you! I was in two minds between orange or blue but completely happy with my choice!

Hellbound

2,500 posts

177 months

Saturday 25th January 2020
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I like the Focus, I really do. But for me it would have to be the VW every time. For practical reasons mostly, given the state of the roads around here I feel the t-roc would cope better. And the steep curb outside my house means anything without a raised seat is a massive pain to get in and out of. That coupled with narrow roads and lots of parked cars mean having an albeit slight height advantage is really useful.

Boring reasons I know but ones that would impact my daily life.

neil-1323bolts

1,085 posts

107 months

Saturday 25th January 2020
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Hellbound said:
I like the Focus, I really do. But for me it would have to be the VW every time. For practical reasons mostly, given the state of the roads around here I feel the t-roc would cope better. And the steep curb outside my house means anything without a raised seat is a massive pain to get in and out of. That coupled with narrow roads and lots of parked cars mean having an albeit slight height advantage is really useful.

Boring reasons I know but ones that would impact my daily life.
The main reason for me would be boot space , For family junk so focus for me





Water Fairy

5,510 posts

156 months

Saturday 25th January 2020
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DoubleD said:
Im sure this thread will quickly fill up with all the usual SUV comments from all the usual posters.
And for good reason I say.

The Focus is more practical, more economical, a lot cheaper, just as quick once you're off the mark and more fun when you're on it.

They'll sell loads more T-Rocs.................................

thelostboy

4,570 posts

226 months

Saturday 25th January 2020
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Sorry, but the Focus is a pretty ugly thing. I was parked to one last night and and there is not one attractive angle.

People like things that look cool, and always will. There's no point moaning about it - give people what they want.

Baldchap

7,687 posts

93 months

Saturday 25th January 2020
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Can't understand why you don't see more Golf R Estates. I had one and it was excellent in every way.

DoubleD

22,154 posts

109 months

Saturday 25th January 2020
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Water Fairy said:
DoubleD said:
Im sure this thread will quickly fill up with all the usual SUV comments from all the usual posters.
And for good reason I say.

The Focus is more practical, more economical, a lot cheaper, just as quick once you're off the mark and more fun when you're on it.

They'll sell loads more T-Rocs.................................
Yep, but that's because people buy things that they like and don't always buy the most practical things. We have choices and that's great in my opinion.

Nyloc20

585 posts

64 months

Saturday 25th January 2020
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thelostboy said:
Sorry, but the Focus is a pretty ugly thing. I was parked to one last night and and there is not one attractive angle.

People like things that look cool, and always will. There's no point moaning about it - give people what they want.
Well it's good that we all have our own opinions. I think the Focus Estate is the most stylish out there. Hopelessly biased as I've owned fast Fords on and off since 1972. We're currently on our second Focus ST3 and I'm tempted by the Estate when we change in a years time.
Absolutely zero interest in the T-Roc. Now that is an ugly car! I just don't get the SUV thing at all.
All imo of course.

DoubleD

22,154 posts

109 months

Saturday 25th January 2020
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I wouldnt call either of them good looking to be honest.

nickfrog

21,204 posts

218 months

Saturday 25th January 2020
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Water Fairy said:
And for good reason I say.

The Focus is more practical, more economical, a lot cheaper, just as quick once you're off the mark and more fun when you're on it.

They'll sell loads more T-Rocs.................................
From a pure form factor point of view, and comparing apples to apples, ie Kuga/Tiguan vs Focus/Golf estates, there is very little in it. It's going to depend on what shape load you're after. Estates can be more practical or less practical. They don't work for me for bikes for instance but for long objects they do. Although we have a collapsible front pax seat in the 3008 and that offsets this aspect.
But at equal volume, for me the benefit of the SUV is that it is shorter. Happy to compromise on the driving experience for that and the other many benefits.

As for popularity and other people's motivation for buying, what does it matter? You can buy both shapes, more choice. Is that bad?

flatso

1,241 posts

130 months

Saturday 25th January 2020
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How much I loathed the SUV’s, shaking my head at every new model, I have to admit that in the last couple of months I am starting to see the appeal. The upright seating position makes more semse as it leads to more interiour room without a length increase. It is also more comfortable and ergonomic in all aspects.
I actually think that vans (Transit, V-Klasse etc) have the most comfortable seating positions.
As SUV’s are taking over the streets, you have to admit that a lot of the sedan and estate styles just look weak and bland.

ZX10R NIN

27,648 posts

126 months

Saturday 25th January 2020
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I have to say that the new Focus looks better proportion wise as an estate than it does as a hatch.

anonymous-user

55 months

Saturday 25th January 2020
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To add to the practicality portion of the article, this generation of ST can have a tow bar unlike the old one with the central exhaust. But from a quick search on some tow bar websites, it looks like the T-Roc R cannot be fitted with one. For those people that like to carry bikes with a tow bar rack this is a problem, and the T-Roc is evidently aimed at an active/family lifestyle.

To add insult to injury the T-Roc boot is so small that a roof box might be needed, so that means bikes can't go on the roof. But it can't accept a tow bar bike rack either. All boot door mounted bike carriers are poor (IMO) so that's not an option (for me).

G.Fraser

206 posts

127 months

Saturday 25th January 2020
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I spec’d mine with a tow bar with the intention of fitting a bike rack to get the family out and about. I’ve never had a bike rack before so I’d welcome recommendations for a rack that can carry two adult and two kids’ bikes!