RE: Six things we learned about the Clubman JCW...

RE: Six things we learned about the Clubman JCW...

Saturday 25th January 2020

Six things we learned about the Clubman JCW...

...after three weeks of driving it in the real world



1.
It's better than the last one. Hands down. Not hard, perhaps - the last Clubman JCW had the motive vigour of a discarded mattress - but significant nonetheless because it makes the latest model a legitimate option rather than something to sadly shake your head at in a supermarket car park. Blame for its predecessor's lethargy fell mostly on (the previously blameless) 231hp four-cylinder motor which had apparently been given far too much to do. As you'll likely know by now, the new version swerves this accusation by being much more powerful. It shares its 2.0-litre turbocharged engine with the latest M135i, which means there's an industry hot-standard 306hp powering the ALL4 drivetrain via a standard eight-speed automatic.

This means that where the JCW once laboured - and there really is no other word for it - to 62mph in a little over 6 seconds (a supremely optimistic claim, from experience), it is now said to be capable of breaking the benchmark tape in 4.9 seconds. Does it feel as fast as a PDK'd Porsche Cayman T? No. The much-lighter-on-its-toes JCW hatch still feels much peppier. But with 332lb ft of torque available from 1,750rpm, clearly it is capable of emphatically picking up its skirts when the situation calls for it - and that's a gigantic leap forward in likability terms.


2.
It's still, you know - a Clubman. Which means that it's not quite big enough to be a proper small estate (the Focus ST wagon's boot is the best part of 200 litres bigger) and yet not really small enough to be called a Mini anything. Then there are those split rear doors. Inheriting the bread van style from the Morris Mini Traveller makes as much evolutionary sense to me as willingly inheriting your granddad's rotary dial telephone. But clearly some people like it because (BMW) Mini has been making the Clubman for well over a decade now, and while those same people must have encountered situations where said doors are rendered completely impractical, the novelty remains. As does the novelty of not being able to see out the back properly.

Of course this is all forgivable if the Clubman fits your lifestyle. By some astonishing stroke of good fortune, the boot which in no way seems big enough for family use managed to swallow everything the mrs and I needed for a few days away over Christmas. And that included what seemed like enough presents for an entire orphanage. This is to the Mini's credit. But had we also had a child and a child's associated paraphernalia, we'd have probably struggled. And if the Clubman isn't for young families, who is it for?

3.
It's hard to argue with the rest of the interior. Or it's hard to now point a finger at the current Mini, and accuse it of needless, cloying levels of kitsch. What seemed like a Disneyfication twenty years ago has now simply become what all Minis are like - and the multi-generation evolution has rendered a cabin that feels well put together, nice to interact with and ergonomically friendly. It still feels short of genuine originality - but no more so than the rest of the Clubman so you're better off making your peace with it. Frankly I like the toggle switches and re-skinned i Drive infotainment system.

Sharing things with BMW has typically been to the benefit of Mini, and that includes the premium-end feel. In press car format, the ambience is usually doubled down on with much more option box ticking than any sane, bottomline-paying person would indulge in, but the mountain of kit feels model appropriate to the Clubman. That said, there isn't much to get your JCW kicks from; especially if you like your 306hp Mini to come with a hip point commensurate to its badge and power output. Were someone to tell you that you'd just made yourself comfortable in the latest Countryman, you'd halfway believe it.


4.
You'll live with it easily enough. We did. And that's despite Mini's (sometimes grating) insistence that every car it makes has to retain a kernel of the hatchback's keyed-up character. That lingering lateral firmness which encourages the entire chassis to fall into potholes that have only actually snared one wheel remains, but truthfully the here-we-go effect is becoming less and less noticeable. The Clubman doesn't often bridle - even at speed. Sure, you might still find yourself wondering if the tight rein on body control is really necessary - ditto the heavy-handed steering resistance, which is adamant you have your wrists worked at low speeds - but the Clubman feels well-sized on a narrow British one-way system, and adequately tuned to ride atop it.

5.
You might not love it. We didn't. For all its added potency, the JCW doesn't do a particularly good job of encouraging you to indulge it. This has little to do with basic competency - there is traction aplenty and a swift enough change of direction - but the larger Clubman does not flounce about the place with the animated, incitement-to-riot character of the three-door hatch, despite the extra power. Which is a problem when it's been saddled with some of the same USP.

Some of this intransigence can be attributed to the drive modes. The default setting is (as perhaps it ought to be) adamant that you should not empty the tank 20 minutes after leaving your driveway. Cue a laggardly throttle pedal and half-mast upshifts - which would be fine if the Clubman were no more onerous than a gnat's shopping, but it isn't: it feels burly in a way that suggests it would rather sit immobile on the ground than be flung from corner to corner like a boomerang.

The JCW is far more responsive in what Mini optimistically calls 'sport' and if you change ratios for yourself - yet it fails to alleviate the nagging suspicion that deep down the Clubman isn't really up for it. Not in the way its smaller sibling is, at any rate. The pseudo-wagon feels more grown-up - and because of that, you tend to drive like one.


6.
It's not cheap. The JCW starts at £35,360. Okay, we knew that before. But it's worth reiterating because elsewhere in the ballpark you can have something like the outgoing Seat Leon Cupra wagon - also invested with all-wheel drive and 300hp - for £33,395. The Focus ST Estate is £33,695. And if you're considering a Clubman on practicality grounds, both represent a next-level improvement.

But obviously that's academic if you're considering the JCW because you want a Clubman, and nothing else will do. Mini continues to command that kind of repeat business, and in that respect - as we mentioned five points ago - the latest model does easily enough to wash away bad memories of its predecessor. Unlike that car, if you choose to drive this JCW very quickly, it will oblige you. For devotees, expect that to be enough. For anyone on the fence, you'll need to convince yourself that the Clubman's various idiosyncrasies, some of them fundamental, are worth the premium.


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cerb4.5lee

Original Poster:

30,608 posts

180 months

Sunday 26th January 2020
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I wouldn't mind a go in one of these to see what they are like to drive. I really like the way my 3dr Cooper S drives and these seem like a nice grown up much faster version of that.

Like all Minis though they are very funny/odd looking things to my eyes. I do really like their interiors though for sure...and at least when you are sat in one you can't see the exterior of it.

Tim bo

1,956 posts

140 months

Sunday 26th January 2020
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Why oh why oh why oh why oh why oh why oh why oh why oh why oh why are Mini not putting the 306 hp plant into the JCW hatch, and only into the Clubman, the Countryman, and the idiotic-looking GP.


Pumpsmynads

268 posts

156 months

Sunday 26th January 2020
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Tim bo said:
Why oh why oh why oh why oh why oh why oh why oh why oh why oh why are Mini not putting the 306 hp plant into the JCW hatch, and only into the Clubman, the Countryman, and the idiotic-looking GP.
You think they won’t?

Augustus Windsock

3,369 posts

155 months

Sunday 26th January 2020
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Owned several Cooper S 3dr variants (R53 & 56) but marvel at how the range has proliferated and grown in physical size
If BMW are alluding to the original Mini by naming its models, why not go the whole hog and evoke 60’s / 70’s styling and name them after those wonderful ladies fashion items, the mini, midi and maxi skirts
That way they could have the smaller hatch as the ‘mini’, the clubman would be the ‘midi’ and the countryman the ‘maxi’
Well except the maxi brings back childhood horror of being driven around in one by a friends dad...

Zetec-S

5,874 posts

93 months

Sunday 26th January 2020
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cerb4.5lee said:
I wouldn't mind a go in one of these to see what they are like to drive. I really like the way my 3dr Cooper S drives and these seem like a nice grown up much faster version of that.

Like all Minis though they are very funny/odd looking things to my eyes. I do really like their interiors though for sure...and at least when you are sat in one you can't see the exterior of it.
Definitely agree. My wife used to have a 3 door Cooper SD, recently she changed to a new Clubman Cooper S. It doesn't have the same "go-cart" feel, but is still fun while being more refined and grown up. Hers has the 7 speed auto which is pretty good, especially in Sport mode (although admittedly I don't have much to compare against having driven manuals all my life). It can be a little quick to break traction so I imagine 4 driven wheels would make a big difference, especially having the additional 100hp. Off the back of our Cooper S experience, I imagine the JCW is very capable and good fun.

We'd have loved the JCW but couldn't justify the extra cost, plus as a 50+ mile a day daily the Cooper S gets the right balance of running costs, refinement and fun. Being on 18" wheels means it soaks bumps up surprisingly well which is another plus vs the JCW which I believe comes with 19's.

Yes, these aren't exactly cheap (with options even our Cooper S came to more than £30k, before discounts), but compared to the Focus ST, Leon Cupra or Golf the build quality feels far more premium and better put together.


Mark H

32 posts

270 months

Sunday 26th January 2020
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Just bought one, it is a right blast, absolutely love it. its does have its faults , the rear doors blocking the rear view mirror, hardly mini size in the true sense ,it really a BMW M135 , but it goes like stink , holds the road like a mini should and most of all ,its fun. I have a '64 970s , and its like going back to the days of real motoring again.

Tim bo

1,956 posts

140 months

Sunday 26th January 2020
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Pumpsmynads said:
You think they won’t?
Have heard nothing to the contrary indicating they will.

It would be on my shopping list if they do.

FaNtheMaN26

95 posts

59 months

Sunday 26th January 2020
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Tim bo said:
Why oh why oh why oh why oh why oh why oh why oh why oh why oh why are Mini not putting the 306 hp plant into the JCW hatch, and only into the Clubman, the Countryman, and the idiotic-looking GP.
They can't put the fastest engine in the non flag ship model now can they....least not now

twokcc

831 posts

177 months

Sunday 26th January 2020
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FaNtheMaN26 said:
They can't put the fastest engine in the non flag ship model now can they....least not now
Do they need to Evolve quote an extra 99bhp from a £500 remap on the B48 engine ( ps limited to about 59-60bhp) if you have the DCT 7 speed
https://www.evolveautomotive.com/evolve-ecu-remap-...

marcom44

45 posts

104 months

Monday 27th January 2020
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Posh bread van, 2 sliced whites please. Not for me........

bakerstreet

4,763 posts

165 months

Monday 27th January 2020
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Read two paragraphs and irritated that you are saying the rear barn doors come from the Morris Traveler. No they don't! They come from the Mini Clubman and Mini Van...unsurprisingly.

PSRG

656 posts

126 months

Monday 27th January 2020
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I've got a Cooper S Clubman, which is on an '18 plate, but I borrowed a JCW Clubman demo car from my local dealer just to see how different it was. Obviously it's a lot more powerful - it’s got 306 PS vs the 192 of ours, 4 wheel drive compared to front wheel drive and an 8 speed auto compared to the 7 speed DSG box. Ours also has 19” wheels with adaptive suspension - the demo car had standard suspension and 19” wheels. But, it did have the Harman Kardon sound system that I didn’t spec.

So, a few thoughts...

It’s quick, much quicker (as you’d expect) and sounds far better. A nice raspy exhaust sound with the right number of pops and crackles in sport mode. A bit quieter in mid, which is fine. The four wheel drive really improves the way the car drives - even with ‘just’ 192 PS it’s all too easy to overcome the traction in ours, especially at junctions and in the damp. Epic torque steer can be provoked. All gone in the JCW, though it will run out of grip perhaps sooner than you’d expect. It also doesn’t brake as well as you think is should, though I’ll caveat that with the fact the demo car had only done 900 miles.

The 8 speed box is very different to the DSG one; in sport the DSG ‘box changes down much quicker when you put your foot down at low to mid speeds. But when cruising it’s remarkably reluctant to change down. The 8 speed was slower to change down at lower speeds, but too keen to change down on dual carriageways when I only moved the accelerator slightly.

I prefer the ride on the adaptive damper in ‘mid’ mode. Slightly softer than the suspension in the JCW. In sport the adaptive dampers are much harder than the JCW on standard suspension. I rarely use this setting! Other thoughts? Both cars have panoramic roofs. Needed in the JCW to lighten the dark interior - the only option is black, either recaros in faux leather/alcantara (the demo car) or optional lounge leather. The recaros were comfortable and grippy. Both had the Nav plus pack; the JCW had a cheaper feeling I drive controller though, reminiscent of that in MINIs with standard nav. The HK audio did sound better, but not sure it’s £600 better...

Those are my slightly unstructured thoughts after a couple of hours and 60odd miles of mainly narrow, windy and reasonably lightly trafficked country roads smile

Frimley111R

15,663 posts

234 months

Monday 27th January 2020
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'Disneyfication' - WTF? Most of us are adults here so no need to make up stupid words

GTEYE

2,096 posts

210 months

Monday 27th January 2020
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bakerstreet said:
Read two paragraphs and irritated that you are saying the rear barn doors come from the Morris Traveler. No they don't! They come from the Mini Clubman and Mini Van...unsurprisingly.
And wherever they came from, they just don't work in 2020. Saw one at the dealer on Saturday and surprised how strong the spring loading is when you open the doors - in a car park if someone is parked close behind you'll be either clouting the car behind or not able to open the doors fully. The boot is also surprisingly small.

It's not a surprise the roads aren't full of them to be honest, it kind of just doesn't work.

colinc2

36 posts

229 months

Monday 27th January 2020
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Well I have had mine for a week now and think its a great daily driver. No it doesn't feel as agile as my Mulgari ICON02 but thats sort of good for me as I wanted the latter to be a special drive.

My only real [minor] criticism of the Clubman is how quickly the back window gets dirty - or more importantly the door handles. Fine the doors open on a press of the key fob but they don't close without touching the handles! Doesn't take away from great ride on 19"s, even without adaptive suspension , that MINI feel, quirky interior, and the stonking performance if required.

Limpet

6,310 posts

161 months

Monday 27th January 2020
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In practicality terms, these are surprisingly useful. We’ve got a lowly Cooper D version and it carts two adults, two teenage offspring and two small dogs about with a decent level of comfort. Good ride and tidy handling as well. They are a really useful small estate car, IMO.

Lazy diesel really suits it, IMO. It doesn’t feel like the sort of car that’s crying out for a sub 5 sec 0-60 time. Maybe I’d feel differently if I drove one.

cerb4.5lee

Original Poster:

30,608 posts

180 months

Monday 27th January 2020
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Limpet said:
Lazy diesel really suits it, IMO. It doesn’t feel like the sort of car that’s crying out for a sub 5 sec 0-60 time. Maybe I’d feel differently if I drove one.
I hear what you are saying here and I've always felt similar with superfast SUV's as well. Some vehicles just suit a more laid back approach I reckon.

Like you though I'd probably change my mind if I had go in one.