RE: Audi quattro | Anniversary Rise

RE: Audi quattro | Anniversary Rise

Saturday 1st February 2020

Audi quattro | Anniversary Rise & Drive

The icon has reached middle age. We sent Dan P into the bleak midwinter to pay tribute...



The Audi quattro is 40 this year. In 1980, it changed the world. Yes, it helped remake world rallying in its own image - but it also redefined the nature of everyman performance cars. The democratisation of power that gave us 400hp hatchbacks can be traced back to Ingolstadt's all-conquering coupe. Yet its origins were comparatively modest: the idea for an all-wheel drive coupe famously occurred to Audi engineers surprised by the giant-killing capabilities of the Jeep-like Volkswagen Iltis being built for the German army.

Because this was VAG in the late seventies, the concept was brought to life with what the team had to hand. Audi was already developing the turbocharged 2.1-litre five-cylinder engine for the 200 5T and the basic layout of its cars, with a longitudinal engine and a gearbox just behind the front axle, was easy to adapt to four-wheel drive. The gearbox output shaft simply had to be extended towards the rear and a tail shaft and final drive assembly added. And all the necessary extra driveline hardware could be pinched from the Iltis.


The Audi 80 floorpan and basic bodyshell from the forthcoming Audi Coupe were chosen, even though the 80's dead axle rear suspension wasn't compatible with the all-wheel-drive system. It was ditched, replaced by the front subframe and MacPherson strut suspension turned through 180 degrees, with rigid track rods holding the steering arms (and allowing for rear toe-in adjustment). Audi 200 drive shafts and disc brakes were used front and rear, and the new power-assisted steering being developed for the Audi Coupe was specified.

Initially, Audi tried to get away without having an inter-axle diff and, although the high-speed performance of prototypes (even with a mere 160hp) was good enough to keep a Porsche 928 honest around Hockenheim, there was too much tyre scrub in the slower turns and when parking. A light, compact and cheap fix was to adapt the diff from the Audi 50/VW Polo and add it to the back of the gearbox. Dog clutches within this diff (and the rear one) locked them up on the move at any speed.

The all-wheel drive hardware weighed just 165lb more than a light front-drive system and only 70lb more than a rear-drive layout, while the anticipated mechanical efficiency losses never materialised. Audi discovered that tyres generate less rolling resistance when driven gently than when freewheeling. Prototypes went faster when driven by all four wheels than when the rear driveshafts were removed.


Audi took the result rallying almost straight away as a development model, and introduced the road car to customers at Geneva (having already given 'a few fortunate hacks' - Viv's words - a memorable preview the previous winter). Its impact was almost immediate: Michele Mouton became the first woman to win a WRC event in 1981. By 1983, the fast-evolving quattro was good enough to win back-to-back championships.

Its legend has hardly dissipated in the intervening years. A decent, high-mileage version can easily set you back £50k; if you want a limited-run Sport quattro, complete with shortened wheelbase and a 306hp motor, you're talking mid six figures. The car driven by Dan on a less than glorious morning in Wales is of the earlier vintage: a left-hand-drive 1981 model in UK spec, sold before Audi had completed the necessary conversion work for the rest of the world. Consequently, it's the iconic blueprint: five-cylindered, turbocharged, 10-valved, all-wheel-drive, squared off like a shipping container and quite, quite fabulous. Enjoy.








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Original Poster:

1,397 posts

152 months

Thursday 30th January 2020
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I had the privilidge of being lent Audi UK's 20v and i have to confess, that while it did have a very comedy electronic dashboard and brakes that required you to take full advantage of its lovely handling and grippy modern tyres because you were unlikely to slow down in time - this remains the ONLY one of my hero cars that remained a hero after I drove it and the ONLY one I would ver spend my own money to own.

I utterly loved it and hated ever having to give the keys back...

Turbobanana

6,285 posts

202 months

Thursday 30th January 2020
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1980 Motor Show, NEC. I was 11, my brother 9. My parents had taken us to the show, my first.

I spent ages gawping at the smart-looking bronze (if memory serves) coupe on the quiet Audi stand while everyone else joined the throng elsewhere. I think even 11-year-old me knew this was something special, but I didn't really know why.

Over the next couple of years I witnessed rallying change forever in the forests of North Wales, near to my home. I remember fondly the slightly offbeat warble of the 5 cylinder engine as Hannu Mikkola or Michelle Mouton blasted past, seeming impervious to whatever weather conditions were at play.

Fond memories indeed.

And what was the attraction that everyone else seemed so keen to see at the NEC in 1980? Austin Metro, of course.

phumy

5,674 posts

238 months

Thursday 30th January 2020
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I owned and maintained an MB engined quattro (2226cc engine) i paid £8250 for it in 1994, kept and maintained it for 10 years, probably spent around £8000 on it (inc full respray) and sold it in 2004 for £8500. I used it as a daily for about 7 of those years and did about 70k miles in the ten years taking it up to about 150k miles. It was a superb machine, never let me down once and really looked and sounded the part.

When i sold it i asked the new owner to give me first dibs on it if he ever wanted to sell it, he contacted me about 3 years ago and asked if i was interested, he said it was in bad shape and had not been on the road for about 2 years, he wanted £18k for it as it was. I told him no.

Dave Hedgehog

14,568 posts

205 months

Thursday 30th January 2020
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I lucked into a 6month old 20v as a company car after a director resigned in a fit of rage

It did Dartford to Manchester in 2 hours and 5 mins biggrin

I miss the lack of traffic, cameras and police driving stty slow rover SDi and land rovers


Just about every car I have bought since then has been a 4WD performance car. (Ran a bread van CTR for 18 months as we need to save 20k to pay moving fee's etc.)



Edited by Dave Hedgehog on Thursday 30th January 09:18

Miserablegit

4,021 posts

110 months

Thursday 30th January 2020
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I love a 5 pot. I miss the days of Audi being a leftfield choice but I bet Audi don't...


Sometimes "a friend of mine" visualises a rally stage in a quattro when driving his 5 cylinder td5 defender on an empty country road...

Leithen

10,913 posts

268 months

Thursday 30th January 2020
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Our old car! Lots of happy memories of MFS151X, and quite a life it had. Every bit as good and remarkable as Dan found it.

1-2-4-5-3

14 posts

60 months

Thursday 30th January 2020
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Powetrain weights in lbs? Has this been lifted from Fortitude? Surely Audi would provide data in proper European measurements?

Greg the Fish

1,410 posts

67 months

Thursday 30th January 2020
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Fond memories of my Dad's old 20v UR.

Epic car.

He swapped it for his mates XR3i Turbo (no, not a typo). What a muppet

droopsnoot

11,958 posts

243 months

Thursday 30th January 2020
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I went out looking at quattros almost every weekend at one point, back in the days when the local Auto Trader had at least one in for around £5k to £6k. I even seriously considered a sport when I saw one at the NEC show for £35k, but thought I'd leave it until they drop a bit more.

I never quite got around to buying one unfortunately, but I do have the normally-aspirated coupe quattro slowly coming back to life. And a pair of front wings for a "proper" quattro, in case I ever find one at the right price, which looks increasingly unlikely.

anonymous-user

55 months

Thursday 30th January 2020
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My Mrs has a 5 pot quattro. sounds like thunder when she starts it up in the garage. Amazing

budgie smuggler

5,390 posts

160 months

Thursday 30th January 2020
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Great car, love it.

Can anyone explain this bit though? I don't understand given that in the video the car has manual diff locks. Was there also an automatic system on the centre diff?

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Initially, Audi tried to get away without having an inter-axle diff and, although the high-speed performance of prototypes (even with a mere 160hp) was good enough to keep a Porsche 928 honest around Hockenheim, there was too much tyre scrub in the slower turns and when parking. A light, compact and cheap fix was to adapt the diff from the Audi 50/VW Polo and add it to the back of the gearbox. Dog clutches within this diff (and the rear one) locked them up on the move at any speed.

justa1972

303 posts

138 months

Thursday 30th January 2020
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Without doubt one of my very favourite cars, I just loved these when I was growing up.

Anyone else remember the Jermey Clarkson review of this ?!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idoPlyucbyE

If my numbers came up I would definitely find one of the final 20v versions and park it next to an Integrale Evo....

NotNormal

2,359 posts

215 months

Thursday 30th January 2020
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Leithen said:
Our old car! Lots of happy memories of MFS151X, and quite a life it had. Every bit as good and remarkable as Dan found it.
Love it when this sort o thing happens smile

Hopefully some old pics of when you had it can be thrown up here too?

rastapasta

1,864 posts

139 months

Thursday 30th January 2020
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droopsnoot said:
I went out looking at quattros almost every weekend at one point, back in the days when the local Auto Trader had at least one in for around £5k to £6k. I even seriously considered a sport when I saw one at the NEC show for £35k, but thought I'd leave it until they drop a bit more.

I never quite got around to buying one unfortunately, but I do have the normally-aspirated coupe quattro slowly coming back to life. And a pair of front wings for a "proper" quattro, in case I ever find one at the right price, which looks increasingly unlikely.
what about this one??

https://www.autoscout24.ch/de/d/audi-quattro-coupe...

or this

https://www.autoscout24.ch/de/d/audi-quattro-coupe...


Leithen

10,913 posts

268 months

Thursday 30th January 2020
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NotNormal said:
Leithen said:
Our old car! Lots of happy memories of MFS151X, and quite a life it had. Every bit as good and remarkable as Dan found it.
Love it when this sort o thing happens smile

Hopefully some old pics of when you had it can be thrown up here too?
Not great quality I'm afraid. It had a private plate on it for part of its life. My brother probably has more photos in old family albums somewhere.




Black S2K

1,473 posts

250 months

Thursday 30th January 2020
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budgie smuggler said:
Great car, love it.

Can anyone explain this bit though? I don't understand given that in the video the car has manual diff locks. Was there also an automatic system on the centre diff?

article said:
Initially, Audi tried to get away without having an inter-axle diff and, although the high-speed performance of prototypes (even with a mere 160hp) was good enough to keep a Porsche 928 honest around Hockenheim, there was too much tyre scrub in the slower turns and when parking. A light, compact and cheap fix was to adapt the diff from the Audi 50/VW Polo and add it to the back of the gearbox. Dog clutches within this diff (and the rear one) locked them up on the move at any speed.
With the Iltis, the front-drive could be disconnected and it had no centre diff. AWD was therefore fixed.

The ur Quattro had that replaced with an open diff for permanent 50/50 torque split, but with a lock-out for that and the rear diff when required in snow etc.

Found a pic:



The innovative part was the hollow layshaft which made the layout light & compact.

Edited by Black S2K on Thursday 30th January 11:28

Black S2K

1,473 posts

250 months

Thursday 30th January 2020
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Leithen said:
NotNormal said:
Leithen said:
Our old car! Lots of happy memories of MFS151X, and quite a life it had. Every bit as good and remarkable as Dan found it.
Love it when this sort o thing happens smile

Hopefully some old pics of when you had it can be thrown up here too?
Not great quality I'm afraid. It had a private plate on it for part of its life. My brother probably has more photos in old family albums somewhere.



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That was quite a fleet, way back when!

cookie1600

2,118 posts

162 months

Thursday 30th January 2020
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Yes I would and yes I'd love to.....

Adrian E

3,248 posts

177 months

Thursday 30th January 2020
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Chap I used to work with late 90s/early 00s had a pair of uR quattros. A white 10V with black leather that'd been to the moon and back, and a black 20V that was mint and low miles when he got it (with cloth interior). Even then getting suspension components for the back end was quite challenging (I seem to recall some parts bin ingenuity was possible with non-Audi parts)

Had a ride in the 20V and loved it - very smooth and didn't feel that quick.

I settled for a £200 Passat GL5 for some lovely 5 cylinder burble smile

skylarking808

801 posts

87 months

Thursday 30th January 2020
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Made quite an impact when those squared off wonders hit the road back in the day.

Remember aged 17 driving my first car (Mk 1 Escort 1300 XL) in 1986 up the Torquay bypass. Red Quattro; the first I had ever seen, overtook me at warp speed and sounded/looked epic. Before that I probably lusted after a VW Golf Mk 1, but that of course changed.
Never driven one, but I did own a 1984 Audi 80 sport which was one of my faves of that era and a great base for the Quattro. Think they got 4 wheel drive 80 sports in Europe?

Black or green Quattro for me please.....

(I hear parts are a nightmare and they are very popular with tea leafs as they always were!)