RE: BMW X3 M Competition vs. Jaguar F-Pace SVR

RE: BMW X3 M Competition vs. Jaguar F-Pace SVR

Sunday 2nd February 2020

BMW X3 M Competition vs. Jaguar F-Pace SVR

The V8 powered F-Pace won't be with us for long; can it beat the new X3M Competition before it goes?



Here's a twin test that a significant percentage of readers are probably hoping both cars could lose. The genre of the performance SUV remains as divisive as Marmite, Brexit or whether the more appropriate response to Love Island is tear gas or Napalm. But, as with all contentious subjects in our either-or, easily offended age, it's worth remembering there is feeling on the other side, too - as evinced by a level of global demand for cars like these which is causing a manufacturer pile-on.

There's also no disgrace in finding yourself drawn to such compelling combinations of utility and practicality. Neither the X3M Competition or F-Pace SVR comes close to the classic definition of a performance car - both would be more dynamically accomplished if they sat closer to the ground and went to fat camp. But they are also quicker in a straight line than most decade-old supercars, big enough to lug a family and come with the slippery weather security of clever all-wheel drive systems. Plus you can even take them off-roading. Only kidding!

Our pairing will have only a fleeting overlap. While the F-Pace SVR only went on sale last year - after a long delay - its life has always been destined to be a short one thanks to the impending closure of Ford's Bridgend factory that produces its supercharged V8 engine. By contrast the X3M is pretty much brand-spanking new, giving a preview of the mechanical package of the forthcoming M3 and M4 with the new S58 M-spec twin-turbo straight six, the M5's all-wheel drive system and an actively locking rear differential.



By the admittedly limited standards of their segment, both are actually pretty good looking. BMW's designers clearly got rid of most of their rage and fury in the muntabulous X4M, a car designed for those who work out while standing in the window of the gym. By contrast the X3M is pretty restrained, with bigger bumpers, 21-inch wheels around huge brake discs and quad exhaust pipes giving the visual distinction appropriate for a range-topper without turning purple minion. The M4-alike door mirrors do look a bit daft, though.

It's much the same story with the F-Pace SVR - turned up compared to the standard car, but not to the extent it shakes plaster from the ceiling. Ian Callum's first take on an SUV remains one of the segment's nicer bits of design, lithe and flowing rather than big and brutish. The SVR probably isn't better looking than the regular version - not unless huge cooling apertures are really your thing - but it looks special without being shoutey, with widened arches, extra vents and another quad-exhaust set-up. As standard it gets 21-inch wheels, but the car you see here is sitting on the upgraded 22s, which still don't look huge in those vast arches.

Jaws will go undropped and flabber ungasted that both of these cars are naffing quick - although one has an edge. The raw numbers, improbably though they are, tell only a modest part of the story. BMW boasts a 4.1-second 0-62mph time, Jaguar claims 4.3-sec for the same benchmark. But impressive though they are neither stat gives a sense of how easy speed comes to both of these cars thanks to the combination of impeccable traction, huge torque and swift-shifting automatic gearboxes. Beyond the ramped seating position there's no sense of untoward drama in either; the Jaguar pitches up noticeably more than the BMW does under full throttle, but both have the ability to conjure absurd speeds on even short straights. Nine points on your licence? Definitely don't pick either of these.



Sound - that's an easy one. Eight beasts six, and the F-Pace's urge comes accompanied by an appropriately muscular soundtrack, deep-chested and snarly as it gets towards the 6500rpm redline and with a pleasing burble under gentler use; you don't buy a V8 like this unless you want to be reminded of the fact. The X3M is revvier and sounds more exhausty - like its already exhaling through a fruity aftermarket sports silencer at high revs - but is much less aurally interesting at everyday pace. Both have pops and burbles aplenty under hard use and in their more aggressive switchable modes, but both are reasonably quiet when you want them to be; unlike the F-Type SVR's pheasant shoot impression the F-Pace won't get the neighbours complaining with early starts.

While both are hugely fast, one is definitely faster. The F-Pace has an extra 39hp yet the BMW has a clear stamped accelerator advantage, if not quite strolling away from the Jaguar then soon ambling out a decisive lead. The X3M has a crisper throttle response, too and a snappier and more decisive gear change; add it all up and requests for progress get from the driver's brain to the road markedly quicker. The F-Pace is hardly a slouch - and the abundance of supercharged torque at low revs makes it feel the more muscular at a relaxed cruising pace when under a gently flexed toe. But for anyone choosing between this pair on the grounds of raw performance, the X3M has more - although probably not quite as much as the Stelvio Quadrifogio.

But for the more likely hypothetical buyer wanting a vehicle for corners as well as straights, the pendulum swings the other way. The X3M handles with the same towering efficiency it goes quickly: with huge grip, deadly accurate steering and iron-fisted body control. Nevertheless, even when covering ground at the pace of a skipped-forward video it never creates the sort of connection that used to come as standard with an M-badge, not beyond the adrenaline spike that comes from unlikely speed. Driven at the sort of seven- or eight-tenths pace that feels like a better fit for a bumpy, damp British B-road the BMW feels like it's barely breaking sweat; the driver is unlikely to be doing so, either.



Although prototype versions of the F-Pace SVR probably spent as much time on the Nurburgring as X3M mules did, the Jaguar feels immediately better suited to UK tarmac. It has a longer legged gait, with what feels from the driver's seat to be a greater willingness to use suspension travel. It parries bumps with much less effort, and even its stiffer Dynamic setting feels more compliant than the X3M's Comfort suspension mode. Steering is lighter and more input is required to get the front end turning, but there is also more feedback through the wheel.

Pushed really hard, the SVR loses some composure. On slow, slippery turns the front end runs out of grip first; seemingly regardless of dynamic mode or even with the DSC stability control system switched to its Sport setting. On a skidpan or a frozen lake I've no doubt the F-Pace could be turned far more spectacular; but on damp roads in Oxfordshire there was little sense of the potential for rear-end excitement of other SVR products.

The X3M is a dog with more tricks. While it does without the rear-drive drift mode its true M car siblings offer, it does also have a distinctly playful rear end. Push through the huge grip on a slippery corner and there's unmistakable yaw even with the stability control standing guard. Turn this down (or off) and the X3M is capable of the sort of neat, easily-held slides more normally associated with lower and lighter M cars.


When it comes to the more appropriate challenge of shrugging off miles, there's really nothing in it. Some will doubtless reckon that the X3M's tiered dashboard looks newer and more technical when compared to the F-Pace's more traditional smooth slabs, but it's equally valid to prefer the Jag's more conservative approach. From a natural seating position the F-Pace has a higher glassline, which helps it feel a bit tighter-fitting and sportier, but also a massive blind-spot behind the A-pillar. OCD sufferers might also get snooty about the way the SVR's black plastic climate control buttons don't quite line up; the X3M's are equally fiddly, but look and feel better. Although such criticisms are well inside niggle territory. On refinement the Jaguar has an edge on high speed ride quality but the BMW seems slightly quieter at a rapid cruise. Both are seriously nice places to spend time.

Leaving only the podium ceremony, and what's only a narrow escape from a cop-out split verdict. It's heart versus head territory; objectively the BMW feels more modern and more talented, better at the performance side of being a performance SUV. Yet while it lacks the raw excitement of other SVR models, the Jaguar is definitely the more charismatic of this pair, capable of inducing wider grins and easier to live with everyday. It's not just about the V8 - although the soon-to-die engine is a large part of the car's appeal - it's also an all-round likeability that makes the X3M seem clinical and a bit aloof by contrast. It isn't really necessary to make too much sense in a segment as fundamentally irrational as this one - which is why the Jaguar takes the win.


SPECIFICATION - JAGUAR F-PACE SVR

Engine: 5,000cc, supercharged V8
Transmission: 8-speed automatic, all-wheel drive
Power (hp): 542@6,000rpm
Torque (lb ft): 502@2,500rpm
0-62mph: 4.3 seconds
Top speed: 176mph
Weight: 2070kg
CO2: from 272g/km (NEDC2)
MPG: up to 23.7
Price: £75,335

Search for a Jaguar F-Pace here

SPECIFICATION - BMW X3M COMPETITION

Engine: 2993cc, straight-six, twin-turbocharged
Transmission: 8-speed automatic, all-wheel drive
Power (hp): 503@6250rpm
Torque (lb ft): 443@2600rpm
0-62mph: 4.1 seconds
Top speed: 155mph
Weight: 2,045kg
CO2: 239g/km (NEDC)
MPG: NA
Price: £77,190

Search for a BMW X3 here














 

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Billy_Whizzzz

Original Poster:

2,007 posts

143 months

Saturday 1st February 2020
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I’ve got an X3MC and you’re possibly being over generous. The engine is uncharismatic, steering inert, ride shocking and looks ugly. But as a quick everyday rural hack it’s perfectly good enough. It’s a fast appliance and nothing more. Mine’s debadged because of course it’s not really deserving of an M badge. It’s also filthy as I simply don’t care enough about it to clean it.

Edited by Billy_Whizzzz on Saturday 1st February 06:34

drpep

1,758 posts

168 months

Saturday 1st February 2020
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Billy_Whizzzz said:
I’ve got an X3MC and you’re possibly being over generous. The engine is uncharismatic, steering inert, ride shocking and looks ugly. But as a quick everyday rural hack it’s perfectly good enough. It’s a fast appliance and nothing more. Mine’s debadged because of course it’s not really deserving of an M badge. It’s also filthy as I simply don’t care enough about it to clean it.

Edited by Billy_Whizzzz on Saturday 1st February 06:34
Good man - use and enjoy for all it'll give, then pass it on. I'm sure it's an accomplished beast and, as you say, a capable and very nice daily hack. I don't think anyone should go into either of these expecting an M3/4 rival (other than traffic-light drag strip antics) but still; there's something in there to be enjoyed.

The more I drive my aging (but cared-for) E90, the more I think I'm cast to the annals of old car buying from this point. That said, the new RS6 looks to be a stonking family wagon. Just need to convince wifey to chop in the SQ5.

DoubleD

22,154 posts

108 months

Saturday 1st February 2020
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This thread will get a few frothing at the mouth!

g3org3y

20,627 posts

191 months

Saturday 1st February 2020
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No photos of the open boots (because more practical than equivalent estates)? I am disappoint. cry

T1berious

2,259 posts

155 months

Saturday 1st February 2020
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A recent video of an M2C owning youtuber was pretty scathing of both the ride and the powerplant in the X3MC! So I'm not surprised by this result as all the negatives of the F-Pace SVR are negated by a much better ride and a more sonorous powerplant. 8 beats 6 and all that!

Not that I'm in that market but the X340i (X3 M40i?) sounds like the much better alternative.

Also better riding from what I've read / heard

T1b

Baddie

615 posts

217 months

Saturday 1st February 2020
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Billy_Whizzzz said:
I’ve got an X3MC and you’re possibly being over generous. The engine is uncharismatic, steering inert, ride shocking and looks ugly. But as a quick everyday rural hack it’s perfectly good enough. It’s a fast appliance and nothing more. Mine’s debadged because of course it’s not really deserving of an M badge. It’s also filthy as I simply don’t care enough about it to clean it.

Edited by Billy_Whizzzz on Saturday 1st February 06:34
Refreshingly blunt appraisal and in line with Evo’s opinion - rated 2/5. Shocking ride and anodyne engine

Arsecati

2,310 posts

117 months

Saturday 1st February 2020
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Billy_Whizzzz said:
I’ve got an X3MC and you’re possibly being over generous. The engine is uncharismatic, steering inert, ride shocking and looks ugly. But as a quick everyday rural hack it’s perfectly good enough. It’s a fast appliance and nothing more. Mine’s debadged because of course it’s not really deserving of an M badge. It’s also filthy as I simply don’t care enough about it to clean it.

Edited by Billy_Whizzzz on Saturday 1st February 06:34
This is a genuine question - but with such a slamming review of your own car, why in the name of Jimi did you buy it, especially when you also acknowledge that it 'looks ugly'! confused

cib24

1,117 posts

153 months

Saturday 1st February 2020
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Arsecati said:
This is a genuine question - but with such a slamming review of your own car, why in the name of Jimi did you buy it, especially when you also acknowledge that it 'looks ugly'! confused
Better finance offer?

cerb4.5lee

30,590 posts

180 months

Saturday 1st February 2020
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Arsecati said:
This is a genuine question - but with such a slamming review of your own car, why in the name of Jimi did you buy it, especially when you also acknowledge that it 'looks ugly'! confused
The ugly bit I can understand and I've had a few ugly cars over the years(currently have a F56 Mini Cooper S and it is a stupid/ugly looking thing to look at but I love the way it drives so I don't mind). What I'm not sure about though is if I could have an ugly car and also not be happy with the way it drives. There seems to be little point in having it if that's the case for me.

chelme

1,353 posts

170 months

Saturday 1st February 2020
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I'm not keen on these generally, but from what I have read, the elephant in the room is the Stelvio.

Was PH intending for this to be a duel of the also rans? Or is it another demonstration of the British Press' affliction of over selling the Anglo Saxon products.

llcoolmac

217 posts

100 months

Saturday 1st February 2020
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Baddie said:
Refreshingly blunt appraisal and in line with Evo’s opinion - rated 2/5. Shocking ride and anodyne engine
Is this the same engine going into the next M3/4?

Arsecati

2,310 posts

117 months

Saturday 1st February 2020
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cib24 said:
Better finance offer?
Good point.

samoht

5,713 posts

146 months

Saturday 1st February 2020
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chelme said:
I'm not keen on these generally, but from what I have read, the elephant in the room is the Stelvio.
Was PH intending for this to be a duel of the also rans?
Yeah, surely the Alfa would be better than either, right ?

Wills2

22,823 posts

175 months

Saturday 1st February 2020
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I've got an X3MC and article is spot on, it's a bit aloof but most Modern M cars are, very capable machine though. The engine is stonking in terms power delivery hence it manages to out perform the svr but it's really thirsty.


cerb4.5lee

30,590 posts

180 months

Saturday 1st February 2020
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samoht said:
chelme said:
I'm not keen on these generally, but from what I have read, the elephant in the room is the Stelvio.
Was PH intending for this to be a duel of the also rans?
Yeah, surely the Alfa would be better than either, right ?
It is certainly lighter than both of these. It would then be down to which one out of the Alfa and Jaguar will breakdown first though! So for that reason I'd go for the BMW...although I do prefer the looks of the Jaguar out of the three of them.

I like the looks of the Giulia but the Stelvio just doesn't look right to me.

big_rob_sydney

3,402 posts

194 months

Saturday 1st February 2020
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the article said:
...both would be more dynamically accomplished if they sat closer to the ground and went to fat camp. But they are also quicker in a straight line than most decade-old supercars, big enough to lug a family and come with the slippery weather security of clever all-wheel drive systems. Plus you can even take them off-roading. Only kidding!
I just hate these things, for the reasons quoted by the article itself, but also by the unbridled selfishness of the owners of these abominations.

Where most of these Chelsea tractors won't even see a patch of mud, the need for awd/4wd is not required. Even so, there are plenty of traditional cars that have these drive-trains.

The biggest "reason" quoted is simply "because I sit higher and can see further".

And that, my friend, is the selfishness right there. The number of times I've been in my car and been unable to see through a vehicle in front of me because the owner has selfishly bought such a big lump of metal, is astounding. It creates a situation where visibility is diminished for all around these QE2 sized land barges.

And what is the alternative? Do we all therefore pile onto an arms race towards vehicular obesity, not to gain any visibility advantage, but simply in order to stand still?

fk you, and the fat-arsed horses you rode in on.

Billy_Whizzzz

Original Poster:

2,007 posts

143 months

Saturday 1st February 2020
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Arsecati said:
Billy_Whizzzz said:
I’ve got an X3MC and you’re possibly being over generous. The engine is uncharismatic, steering inert, ride shocking and looks ugly. But as a quick everyday rural hack it’s perfectly good enough. It’s a fast appliance and nothing more. Mine’s debadged because of course it’s not really deserving of an M badge. It’s also filthy as I simply don’t care enough about it to clean it.

Edited by Billy_Whizzzz on Saturday 1st February 06:34
This is a genuine question - but with such a slamming review of your own car, why in the name of Jimi did you buy it, especially when you also acknowledge that it 'looks ugly'! confused
Oh easy. I have a 911 for the fun stuff. And I had an M2Comp for the day to day that struggled with kids, muddy tracks and (as it was manual) long motorway journeys. The X3 was as cheap as chips (amazing deals) - Less than a boggo Tiguan. For the money, I’m quite happy. It it was my only car and wanted feedback, analogue experience or anything else I’d be very disappointed.

DoubleD

22,154 posts

108 months

Saturday 1st February 2020
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I love the funny angry posts that these threads always get.

Wills2

22,823 posts

175 months

Saturday 1st February 2020
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big_rob_sydney said:
I just hate these things, for the reasons quoted by the article itself, but also by the unbridled selfishness of the owners of these abominations.

fk you, and the fat-arsed horses you rode in on.
Calm down dear, calm down... laugh



GT119

6,566 posts

172 months

Saturday 1st February 2020
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Arsecati said:
Billy_Whizzzz said:
I’ve got an X3MC and you’re possibly being over generous. The engine is uncharismatic, steering inert, ride shocking and looks ugly. But as a quick everyday rural hack it’s perfectly good enough. It’s a fast appliance and nothing more. Mine’s debadged because of course it’s not really deserving of an M badge. It’s also filthy as I simply don’t care enough about it to clean it.

Edited by Billy_Whizzzz on Saturday 1st February 06:34
This is a genuine question - but with such a slamming review of your own car, why in the name of Jimi did you buy it, especially when you also acknowledge that it 'looks ugly'! confused

The X3M seems to be developing a reputation for heading for the scenery when driven beyond its capabilities, not really the cars fault though, more so that drivers are thinking they have bought an M3/4.

If you want a very fast BMW SUV then maybe a 1 year old fully-loaded X5M would be a much better car for less money, assuming you don’t get too hung up on the fact it is no longer the latest model.