RE: Renault Sport Spider | Spotted

RE: Renault Sport Spider | Spotted

Wednesday 23rd December 2020

Renault Sport Spider | Spotted

The Lotus Elise is 25 years old next year; don't forget the Spider is, too...



Given it's nigh on impossible to discuss the Renault Sport Spider without also mentioning the Lotus Elise, let's get that out of the way first. In principle, they were remarkably similar: mid-engined, two-seat, four-cylinder roadsters first shown to the world in 1995 (the Renault at that year's Geneva show, the Lotus at Frankfurt) and released for sale in 1996.

But, as is well known, that's where their respective trajectories changed somewhat. The Elise saved Lotus and is still being made to this day; meanwhile the Spider is little more than an interesting footnote in Renault's long history, with around 1,800 made in three years and just 96 right-hand drive cars believed to exist. To think there must have been 96 different Elise special editions over the years...

Though the Renault clearly had weaknesses when measured against its Lotus adversary (a 200kg weight disadvantage not least among them), the timing of its launch must have affected its success as well. It was a similar situation to that which Lotus had experienced a few years earlier, its front-wheel drive Elan M100 never likely to capture the imagination when the Mazda MX-5 had already done a better job of evoking the manufacturer's storied past.


A quarter of a century later, the Sport Spider is a rather different proposition. Because anyone after an Elise is going to buy an Elise - particularly with nice S1s available for half price of this Renault. Instead the Spider is a collectible curio, looking and driving like nothing else on the road. We've had however many years of hearing about what the Sport Spider isn't, so maybe it's time to celebrate what it is. Because it still weighs less than a tonne, and is still powered by a Clio Williams engine driving the rear wheels. It might not be the mid-engined sports car doyen that the Elise is, but it is still a mid-engined sports car. And one that looks a good deal of fun.

As a UK supplied Mars Red car, this must be an exceptionally rare example even by Sport Spider standards. With the Chromodora race wheels and white roll bar fitted, it's perhaps as smart a Sport Spider as there ever was. Yellow looks a tad obvious and blue quite plain by comparison.

Having covered less than 30,000 miles in more than 20 years, the car presents really nicely; it's come from a Renault collection in fact, something its condition attests to. There is history to back up the slender mileage, though it'll want a good fluid refresh now given the last recorded service was in 2016. That this car has also been fitted with a marine-grade stereo implies it's been used exactly how you might expect: roof left at home, sun shining, engine blaring and some tunes for company on the boring bits when you can't play at being in the Sport Spider Cup like Jason Plato. Even in a car considered someway short of perfect, that doesn't sound a bad way to spend the day. It's for sale at £29,995...


SPECIFICATION | RENAULT SPORT SPIDER

Engine: 1,998cc 4-cyl
Transmission: 5-speed manual, rear-wheel drive
Power (hp): 150@6,000rpm
Torque (lb ft): 136@4,500rpm
MPG: N/A
CO2: N/A
First registered: 1997
Recorded mileage: 27,000
Price new: £25,950
Yours for: £29,995

See the original advert here.




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Church of Noise

Original Poster:

1,458 posts

238 months

Wednesday 23rd December 2020
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I've always found this strangely attractive, but how are these to actually drive? smile

Gameface

16,565 posts

78 months

Wednesday 23rd December 2020
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Always had a soft spot for these.

glazbagun

14,282 posts

198 months

Wednesday 23rd December 2020
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Lovely looking car but yeah, it's not an Elise.

Turbobanana

6,293 posts

202 months

Wednesday 23rd December 2020
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I think the wettest I have ever been was when tasked to collect a recently imported Spider from Harwich Port, during a torrential downpour one summer.

The port authorities had nowhere under cover to store it, so had helpfully thrown a tarp over the car which at least kept the seats dry.

By the time I had jump started the thing I was wet through and was even wetter once I got past security. At least the drive back to base was fun. Memories include acres of visible composite sandwich and a gear lever you had to twist to engage reverse.

Would love one now.

LaurasOtherHalf

21,429 posts

197 months

Wednesday 23rd December 2020
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Always wanted one, love them.

Scho

2,479 posts

204 months

Wednesday 23rd December 2020
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The extrusions that form the chassis were made in the same factory as the Elise. The extra weight comes from the welding process, they had to make the extrusions thicker on this to take the heat. Lotus bonded theirs and it came out considerably lighter. Amazing bit of innovation.

It’s all covered in this fantastic piece of 90’s broadcasting. Complete with casual sexism https://youtu.be/a-TiFKr2yb0



Edited by Scho on Wednesday 23 December 08:13

alorotom

11,952 posts

188 months

Wednesday 23rd December 2020
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glazbagun said:
Lovely looking car but yeah, it's not an Elise.
thank fk.

back o/t - every time I have had the spare cash to buy one of these none have been for sale and when they are I dont have the funds ... typical!

I think I would prefer the OG liquid yellow though.

There is a guy in Newcastle with one, ive seen it a couple of times in probably 10yrs - he adores it

cerb4.5lee

30,742 posts

181 months

Wednesday 23rd December 2020
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I don't think I've ever seen one. A super rare car, and I always thought that it would've been more successful than it actually was. A shame really.

Leins

9,476 posts

149 months

Wednesday 23rd December 2020
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I’d love one of these. I remember the first and only time I’ve seen one on the road was when a yellow/grey one was following a camera car for some programme on (presumably Irish) TV

Wonder if anyone has done an engine swap on these - later RS Megane motor maybe?

Steamer

13,865 posts

214 months

Wednesday 23rd December 2020
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Remember seeing one parked outside a pub when they were first launched - seemed very special at the time.

Don't think I've seen one since!

Did the prices of these ever drop?

SidewaysSi

10,742 posts

235 months

Wednesday 23rd December 2020
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The Elise killed it at launch but they do look lovely. And the rarity is definitely appealing.

waftycranker

223 posts

61 months

Wednesday 23rd December 2020
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Back when these were new I had an F1 book for kids where Coulthard did a three way test between a Twingo, Spider and his Williams. Needless to say this was quicker than a Twingo.

I think the only time I ever saw one of these in the flesh was in a BTCC support race at Oulton Park. However, that may just be a mix up of two different memories. But I did wet myself when I finally saw a Twingo on holiday in Corfu! The stuff of dreams, exotic European metal.

Edited by waftycranker on Wednesday 23 December 09:43

Equus

16,980 posts

102 months

Wednesday 23rd December 2020
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Scho said:
The extra weight comes from the welding process, they had to make the extrusions thicker on this to take the heat.
It would have had to be a bloody thick extrusion to add 200kg!

In fact, the added weight comes from a number of issues - heavier chassis is one, but they also have heavier (and better quality) bodywork, heavier drivetrain (the K-series in the Elise was exceptionally light) and heavier brakes (cast iron discs instead of the original Elise's MMC).

Now that the Lotus has lost the K-series and the MMC discs, and gained a bit of weight through middle age-spread, the difference is nothing like as marked: kerb weight of 914kg (Lotus) vs. 930kg (Renault).



kambites

67,593 posts

222 months

Wednesday 23rd December 2020
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Aside from the awkward looking rollbar I always thought these were better looking than the Elise. Sadly they don't drive as well though, and in terms of practicality can barely match a Seven let alone an Elise.

You'd have to really want something "different" to pay that much for one, but I suspect enough people do that it will sell.

anonymous-user

55 months

Wednesday 23rd December 2020
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cerb4.5lee said:
I don't think I've ever seen one. A super rare car, and I always thought that it would've been more successful than it actually was. A shame really.
Indeed. Always intended for track use (there was a specific racing series) many early cars did not have a windscreen (who needs one with a helmet) and that was never going to fly. See also KTM X-bow. Even cars that had the windscreen came without any weather protection. Then some weather gear was made available but the end result looked more like a Boy Scouts camping expedition than a sports car. Check it out on google images.

Overall very definitely an “interesting” car although never cheap. Meanwhile early Elise had been built down to a price, came with a decent windscreen/roof and punted the Renault into touch.

£30k for a red one? You’d have to be very keen indeed.


AmyRichardson

1,090 posts

43 months

Wednesday 23rd December 2020
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rockin said:
cerb4.5lee said:
I don't think I've ever seen one. A super rare car, and I always thought that it would've been more successful than it actually was. A shame really.
Indeed. Always intended for track use (there was a specific racing series) many early cars did not have a windscreen (who needs one with a helmet) and that was never going to fly. See also KTM X-bow. Even cars that had the windscreen came without any weather protection. Then some weather gear was made available but the end result looked more like a Boy Scouts camping expedition than a sports car. Check it out on google images.

Overall very definitely an “interesting” car although never cheap. Meanwhile early Elise had been built down to a price, came with a decent windscreen/roof and punted the Renault into touch.

£30k for a red one? You’d have to be very keen indeed.
That's what I remember; that the Elise was somewhat lighter (and generally better reviewed as a driver's car) was probably a lot less of an issue than the Sport Spider's complete lack of weather protection.

It's as if they got it wrong at both ends; not enough of a toy (vs. Elise it's an inferior weekend backroad warrior) but at the same time too much of a toy (no bl**dy windscreen!)

webstercivet

457 posts

75 months

Wednesday 23rd December 2020
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Turbobanana said:
I think the wettest I have ever been was when tasked to collect a recently imported Spider from Harwich Port, during a torrential downpour one summer.
The only time I've seen one on the road, it was pouring down. The driver looked soaked and miserable. Still wanted one ever since.

CDP

7,461 posts

255 months

Wednesday 23rd December 2020
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I'd rather have an S1 Elise, a Tommykaira or (assuming it's OK to travel from Norfolk to Cambridgeshire) a Strathcarron...

dapprman

2,328 posts

268 months

Wednesday 23rd December 2020
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I remember a couple of years after it came out one appeared for a few days on a driveway down the road from me. Not sure if it was borrowed or rented. Looked as good as I thought it would, though also with the windscreen looking a little odd - that was an option in some countries, but mandated here (not sure how the Ariel Atom managed to avoid that). Seem to remember there was an 'air screen' where the air was brought in the front for down force and funnelled out and diagonally upwards to give the driver protection from on coming elements, but not stones.

I know some people have mentioned that it could not compete with the elise, but I think the real reason it did so badly over here was no practicality and no wet weather protection. Added to that it was a track day toy and as such was never going to sell enough in that sector to satisfy the Renault accountants once the marketing gains from it had come to an end.

simon-tigjs

129 posts

98 months

Wednesday 23rd December 2020
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Im a spider fan. I had one for several years. Liquid yellow was its best colour and given its clamshell doors it made a statement every time you parked up.
They are rare. What alot of people dont know is that there are only around 100 RHD windscreen models . They were available 'sans window' for the track. Those track cars had a an upgraded valve set up done by the Alpine factory in Le sarthe and fortunately mine had the same. A dramatic difference.
There were predicting to sell more but the Elise played Renault at their own game and at around £20k new they were expensive ,so got left languishing in the showroom. Many ended up being re exported to Japan. The weight came from the aluminium welded chassis . A work of art to look at supporting a Kevlar floor pan, but compared to the Elise Glue chassis it was heavy

They handle brilliant and stuck like glue until it rained. The biggest loss of this one are the unique wheels. They break its authenticity . I went to Le mans classic in mine and the French waved and cheered. I even got a Gendarme guard while parked in St Malo and was given the mayors parking space The rubber burn in the evening was a hoot. They came with two sets of seat belts for road and track use which was useful if you tootle about rather than a full strap down job and mine had an emergency roof which was utterly ridiculous as you still had no windows . They came with a Renault Sport umbrella which i still own

I changed mine for an Elise as I wanted something more useable with a roof but it never made the same noise. One of each is the answer.Defo to be owned again one day. Fond Memories.