RE: £25k Q cars | Six of the Best
RE: £25k Q cars | Six of the Best
Sunday 10th January 2021

£25k Q cars | Six of the Best

Speak softly and drive a big stick



As a people, Brits tend to be diffident to a fault. Downplaying our abilities is almost a national pastime. Which might be why the Q car has always held so much appeal; they just get the job done, quietly and unassumingly - and very well indeed. Or perhaps we all just like to pretend we’re undercover police. 

Either way, there have been all manner of great Q cars over the years, cloaking enormous potential under small wheels and innocuous badges. The genre still exists in fact (you probably didn’t notice, appropriately enough) with cars like the new Kia Stinger. Yes, they’re typically always seen in red, but in a darker colour they the nail Q car criteria to a tee: powerful (365hp), fast (168mph), rare and good value - its asking price is 4 Series diesel money.  

So that’s what we’re challenging Team PH to find this weekend: half a dozen great Q cars, fast four doors that aren’t too obvious. The budget is £25k, as that’s what early GTS Stingers are now available for. Other than that, anything goes - ready when you are, gentlemen.



Skoda Superb, 2019, 6k, £23,495

We’ve been blessed with some absolutely cracking Q cars on the PH Fleet in recent years. The Volvo V60 Polestar is one of my favourites and I fondly remember someone shouting, “what the effing hell is that?” as I drove past. Other passers-by were equally baffled by where all that noise was coming from, particularly through the tunnels on the way to Le Mans. 

But the best Sunday Service wagon to bless the fleet was the Skoda Superb 280 Sportline. I think it’s fair to say it won over everyone on the team with its effortless pace, comfort, cavernous interior and wealth of gadgets. I once managed a journey all the way from Kent to somewhere up north I can’t remember (north of Watford, at least) while barely having to use the pedals at all.

‘Our’ Superb shared the EA888 found in the Golf R, albeit retuned to fit VAG’s brand hierarchy – and less farty noises when changing gear, as no discerning Skoda owner wants something so adolescent. This one - a TSI 272 Sportline 4x4 - nails the brief in Meteor (insert primer jokes) Grey; it’s so Q you’d probably not even notice it on the road. Until you’re wondering how it left you standing at the traffic lights… BL


Kia Stinger GTS, 2018, 30k, £24,999 

What was that about all the Stingers being red? While a black GTS like this one probably does the Q car thing a little better, it’s out of budget - this one sneaks in by a pound thanks to an odo reading that’s higher than most. Still, there’s 70,000 miles of warranty left… 

Though there will be even more discreet cars on this list, the very fact nobody really knows what the Stinger is means it qualifies in my book. And even if they were aware of Kia’s flagship, it could easily be mistaken for the lesser diesel or four-cylinder models. There won’t be many who’ll clock it and know of its twin-turbo V6 and near-170mph potential. Which is exactly the point.  

With the facelift imminent, deals should be easier to come by on the early Stingers. This one, like all of them, comes fit to burst with standard equipment - even the rear seats are heated - and looks little short of factory fresh after 30,000 miles. All the signs are good, then - hopefully there’s no sting in the tail for this Kia’s second owner (sorry). MB 


Volvo S80, 2007, 91k, £6,490

Having spent much of my teen years staying up late watching motorway police chase shows on telly, a Q car to me is a discreetly specced, high-powered Volvo estate. They were once a default choice for the boys in blue, and it was hardly a secret that most had seen some fettling in the ECU department to extract even more punch from the 2.5-litre five-pot. Find a used one in the classifieds and you knew there was more than the quoted power on offer.

The Volvo I’ve chosen here stays true to that ethos but adds a whole lot more Q car kudos into the mix, because it features a 4.4-litre V8 engine under the bonnet. The S80’s biggest motor has always been considered on the lazy side, but you can’t argue with 315hp and 324lb ft of torque in a mint green on cream leather package, can you? It’s all-wheel drive, too, so that muscle ought to be easily despatched all year round.

It's in fine shape as well – 91k for such an understressed Volvo setup needn’t be of much concern for a buyer when there’s service history – and if those spotless, SE LUX-grade beige carpets are anything to go by, this one’s lived a cherished life. All that for £6.5k. SS


Jaguar XF S, 2017, 19k, £23,950

Jaguar has an enviable history in Q cars - think train robber ready Mk2s, super subtle XJRs and the like - a lineage continued by this XF S. Want under the radar grace, space and pace? Look no further.

Pretty much everything that could have been optioned on to this 380hp, supercharged flagship has not been. It has the standard 19-inch wheels, standard black leather - even the window glass is clear. Remover the badges and this really would be any old XF. In fact, given how many Jaguar saloons tend to be in more aggressive specs with larger wheels, this could look less than any old XF. Exactly the Q car way, then. 

Because for those who know and care about such things, the S is a great deal more than a common-or-garden Jaguar saloon. Before it was (inadequately) replaced by a less powerful four-cylinder, the 3.0-litre was the jewel in the crown of the XF range. Its supercharged V6 rasped, the chassis handled with aplomb and it was nicer to drive than any of the opposition. To these eyes it looked great, too. For the price of a Kia or a Skoda of similar age, I don’t think Q car can be done better. MD


Audi A8 L TFSI, 2014, 52k, £22,480

Audi has made quite the name for itself in Q cars over the years, with various S-badged models being almost indistinguishable from their lesser siblings - until they disappeared down the road, that is. Perhaps you've heard of a film called Ronin? I'll say no more.

It is in that spirit that I present to you this humble looking A8. With any luck it's the colour of the boathouse at Hereford, but either way it is powered by the 435hp twin-turbo 4.0-litre V8 from the S6. Even in a long wheelbase A8, that should be sufficient for 0-62mph in less than five seconds. Which is not very much time at all.

Elsewhere it is a picture of mediocrity. Even the TFSI badge is willfully normal. Only the moderately jazzy wheels partly give it away. Handily, too, like seemingly each and every A8 that's ever been made, this TFSI has depreciated. With an entirely reasonable 52k recorded since 2014, it's for sale at £22,480. NC


BMW 340i Touring, 2016, 48k, £24,979

No firm has built more sleepers than BMW. Perhaps you were expecting a mapped 335d as there is nothing faster (as older members will remind you, I'm sure), but I think this 340i should appease the majority.

Perhaps a true sleeper shouldn't have the carbon finished mirrors and roof, larger wheels, twin exhaust or privacy glass, but to the casual observer there's not much to separate this from a 320d M Sport. But a 320d doesn't pack 460hp, which is exactly how far someone has turned up the wick on this Touring - making it Q car aristocracy: all go, no show.

Boasting a full BMW service history and plenty of desirable options - harmon/Kardon sound, head-up display, panoramic roof - it ticks a lot of other boxes, too. What more do you need from a family wagon? Indeed, as the grown-up alternative to my much-missed M135i, I'm more than a little tempted myself... SL


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Discussion

blue al

Original Poster:

1,442 posts

189 months

Saturday 9th January 2021
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Love a Q-car,

I know it’s obvious as mentioned above (and yes I’m also old)

https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/11060749?c...

Seems better value to me than the 340, (from the standpoint of 18k or more miles per year) and spare cash for a re-map if that’s your sort of thing (it is)

Billy_Whizzzz

2,635 posts

173 months

Saturday 9th January 2021
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Sadly that 340i has been ruined by the carbon & wheels.

drpep

1,761 posts

198 months

Saturday 9th January 2021
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Not sure the Kia Stinger qualifies as a q-car, less still in this company. All redness, bonnet vents, painted calipers; seems like it's a rather overt attempt. No, the true Q car here is the A8L. Innocuous appearance, and a very tunable 4.0L twin turbo V8 to play with. Probably not the last word in driving dynamics but certain to stride confidently away from most motorway challengers.

Still don't want one though.

Greg the Fish

1,410 posts

96 months

Saturday 9th January 2021
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q cars won't sit 5mm from your rear bumper on the motorway.

Rules out a couple of them straight away.

anonymous-user

84 months

Saturday 9th January 2021
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Billy_Whizzzz said:
Sadly that 340i has been ruined by the carbon & wheels.
Aren’t they just the OEM wheels?

anonymous-user

84 months

Saturday 9th January 2021
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Yes.

Miserablegit

4,445 posts

139 months

Saturday 9th January 2021
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As with all Q-car threads it seems the originator doesn’t know what a Q car is!!!
Stinger with all its shouty vents and trinkets- not a chance
Possibly the only Q cars are the Volvo and Skoda

anonymous-user

84 months

Saturday 9th January 2021
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had ham said:
Yes.
Thought so. They look fairly low key to me.

Billy_Whizzzz

2,635 posts

173 months

Saturday 9th January 2021
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ajap1979 said:
Billy_Whizzzz said:
Sadly that 340i has been ruined by the carbon & wheels.
Aren’t they just the OEM wheels?
Ha yes quite right. Look wrong somehow though - as if it has been lowered and the offset isn’t quite right or something.

irocfan

49,022 posts

220 months

Saturday 9th January 2021
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Miserablegit said:
As with all Q-car threads it seems the originator doesn’t know what a Q car is!!!
Stinger with all its shouty vents and trinkets- not a chance
Possibly the only Q cars are the Volvo and Skoda
To us maybe, however to joe soap who knows the square root of end-all about cars? In that situation I'd say the only one not a sleeper is the BM ('cause BMW build sportscars)

AC43

13,644 posts

238 months

Saturday 9th January 2021
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Interesting article, not least because I wasn't aware of those particular engines in the XF, A8 & Stinger. More food for thought for if and when I ever sell my E500. They are very much along the same lines. Especially that XF. Looks for all the world like a boggo soot chucker.

Although I'd deffo try the Superb as well. There's something very appealing about have one of them with a Golf R powertrain.

apm142001

293 posts

119 months

Saturday 9th January 2021
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I think that S80 is the truest Q car here, no one expects a pale green Volvo saloon to have a V8 under the bonnet!

cerb4.5lee

44,934 posts

210 months

Saturday 9th January 2021
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apm142001 said:
I think that S80 is the truest Q car here, no one expects a pale green Volvo saloon to have a V8 under the bonnet!
Agree. The A8 doesn't do a bad job either. I've always really liked Q cars.

I like the stinger but that is far too much of a fussy design to be a Q car for me.

Augustus Windsock

3,801 posts

185 months

Saturday 9th January 2021
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Am I just address this Re Volvos:
“ They were once a default choice for a for the boys in blue, and it was hardly a secret that most had seen some fettling in the ECU department to extract even more punch from the 2.5-litre five-pot.”
Well I can’t speak for other forces but the force I was in definitely NEVER messed with ECUs, nether did 2 of the othe forces that bordered with ours, it’s an urban myth.
Anyhoo, I’d have gone for the Skoda IF it had been an estate AND it had been metallic grey or black so if it had to be my choice I’d go for the A8. A comfortable way to make progress without being shouty about it.

Maldini35

2,913 posts

218 months

Saturday 9th January 2021
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My previous job involved a hellish commute around the M25 every day. 2 hours each way.
I needed something more suitable that my Clio 172 station car or Series 3 Land Rover, so I found a Volvo S80 locally.
It ticked all the boxes:
-Cheap (£1500)
-The most comfortable seats I’ve ever sat in.
-Easy auto gearbox.
-Good stereo
-2.5 Turbo with 211bhp for a surprising punch when overtaking.

It wasn’t a drivers car but was fun to hussle the old barge.

I sold it when I moved jobs as I just wasn’t using it.
Great car though. Solid as a rock, totally refined and utterly reliable.

I’ve recently bought another old Volvo on the strength of my previous experience, an old V70 T5 (2005).
I absolutely love it.
For family duties it’s perfect.
260bhp stock, soon to be 300...

I actually bought it from LCD who are selling the S80 here.
They’re not the cheapest but are good guys, don’t stock any rubbish and include a proper warranty with every car.
Mine had an issue after a couple of weeks and was sorted instantly without any hassle. They even gave me a courtesy car.
I would buy from them again.





Edited by Maldini35 on Saturday 9th January 10:38

blue al

Original Poster:

1,442 posts

189 months

Saturday 9th January 2021
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Augustus Windsock said:
Am I just address this Re Volvos:
“ They were once a default choice for a for the boys in blue, and it was hardly a secret that most had seen some fettling in the ECU department to extract even more punch from the 2.5-litre five-pot.”

Well I can’t speak for other forces but the force I was in definitely NEVER messed with ECUs, nether did 2 of the othe forces that bordered with ours, it’s an urban myth.

No spotty youth driving God, would even give it due consideration that a experienced peddler in a barge could keep up with their natural talents, it had to be by ecu mapping nitrous or other such witchcraft ...

martin12345

1,012 posts

119 months

Saturday 9th January 2021
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Rather under budget but these are a blinding Q car - look almost completely stock but with a 410BHP V8 in them, nearly as fast as an XF-R but with none of the visual clues

Spend a very modest amount of extra cash (£1~£2k) to up the performance to over 450BHP and it's a sub-5 sec car
Get silly and spend more money than the cost of the car and you can make it an over 500 BHP car and faster than an XF-R and all relatively easy to do as the cooling, air intake, fuel system, exhaust etc from an XFR are all already there or fit straight in


https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202011216...







HM-2

12,467 posts

199 months

Saturday 9th January 2021
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Billy_Whizzzz said:
Sadly that 340i has been ruined by the carbon & wheels.
Pretty sure the wheels are standard. Carbon would have to go though.

WonkeyDonkey

2,591 posts

133 months

Saturday 9th January 2021
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Don't most people expect German cars to be fast anyway? Can't really say a 3 series is a q car when an M3 looks to the average person absolutely identical.

Oakman

368 posts

188 months

Saturday 9th January 2021
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Augustus Windsock said:
Am I just address this Re Volvos:
“ They were once a default choice for a for the boys in blue, and it was hardly a secret that most had seen some fettling in the ECU department to extract even more punch from the 2.5-litre five-pot.”
Well I can’t speak for other forces but the force I was in definitely NEVER messed with ECUs, nether did 2 of the othe forces that bordered with ours, it’s an urban myth.
Anyhoo, I’d have gone for the Skoda IF it had been an estate AND it had been metallic grey or black so if it had to be my choice I’d go for the A8. A comfortable way to make progress without being shouty about it.
I'm in your part of the UK and we had Volvo's for over 20 years, all estate cars doing 100,000 miles a year for work in them. All our servicing was done at the main agents Speeds of Alfreton, we were in very regularly.

I'm not questioning your inside knowledge, we were told by their service manager (their former mechanic/workshop manager) that they looked after the police Volvo's, their first job on the newly delivered T5's was fitting a bigger turbo in them.