RE: Noble M12 GTO-3R | Spotted

RE: Noble M12 GTO-3R | Spotted

Tuesday 9th February 2021

Noble M12 GTO-3R | Spotted

The Noble was - and remains - a sports car like no other. Probably why they've got so expensive...



If the Lotus Final Editions announcement prompted one response - beyond the desire to drive them, that is - it was to fondly recall just how healthy the British sports car scene looked back in the early days of the Exige and Elise. The turn of the century seems even longer ago when you think of Marcoses, Strathcarrons, MGs and TVRs. Since then only Ariel has really managed to muscle in as a newcomer in the business of something very small and very fast on this little island.   

Then there was Noble. Though the M10 impressed the media, it’s believed just half a dozen were made as attention switched to the larger, more powerful, much better looking M12. Which, as we all know, was a rather more successful project. 

Appropriately enough given the Lotus news, a lot of the current Exige can be seen in those old M12s. Back at a time when the Exige was a four-cylinder featherweight, the Noble used a forced induction version of an off the shelf V6, weighed around 1,100kg and embarrassed many a more expensive supercar with its speed and dynamic prowess. Sounds familiar, no?


Launched to some acclaim in the early 2000s, the M12 evolved and improved over its few years on sale, reaching its zenith with the M400. This one is a GTO-3R; alongside the non-R GTO-3, both models were a significant update for the car, introducing the larger 3.0-litre engine (and thus more power), a six-speed gearbox and a limited-slip differential. The original M12 was exceptionally good; the GTO-3s were probably even better still, introducing more focus but without sacrificing the purity that had won it so much praise. 

Like so many great driver’s cars of the 21st century, the Noble M12 has grown steadily more collectible over the past few years. Once upon a time they could be picked up for £20k - no longer. This particular 3R is a truly exceptional one, with a staggeringly low mileage of just 6,949. As such, though higher mileage, 2.5-litre M12s are available for less than £40,000; this one will set you back £60k.  


Which, interestingly enough, is about what other, similar British sports cars are on offer at. A very low mileage TVR T350 will be more than £50,000, this original Exige isn’t much less and, on a slightly different tangent, a low mileage Morgan from the end of the 20th century could be £45,000. The cars may have been about no frills performance, but they certainly don’t come cheap.

There remains a special appeal about what Noble created, though, which is probably why values are so high. Though true to the lightweight British sports car ethos, it managed to occupy a little niche of its own with its track focus and searing performance. Given it was praised for its engagement and excitement more than a decade and a half ago, something like this GTO-3R will be little short of exhilarating in 2021.

The incredibly low mileage of this particular M12 might mean it needs a little recommissioning to get back to tip top shape, but that's fine because they don’t make sports cars quite like the Noble anymore. Largely because it wouldn’t be possible, of course - although, much like rally replicas, it seems that their time has somewhat been and gone. For those that missed it first time around, or for those that just want to relive the glory days of the genre, it’s hard to think of a better way to do it.


SPECIFICATION | NOBLE M12 GTO-3R

Engine: 2,968cc, twin-turbo V6
Transmission: 6-speed manual, rear-wheel drive
Power (hp): 357@6,200rpm
Torque (lb ft): 350@5,000rpm
MPG: 25 or so
CO2: N/A
First registered: 2003
Recorded mileage: 6,949
Price new: £58,850
Yours for: £59,995

See the original advert here





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loveice

Original Poster:

649 posts

249 months

Tuesday 9th February 2021
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Great car from engineering point of view. But, why didn't they employ a professional automotive design designers/team to design the exterior and interior? Not as if it's a cheap kit car...

anonymous-user

56 months

Tuesday 9th February 2021
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Car looks stunning in my poor eyesight, not sure about the duck bill spoiler but i could live with it. Cracking car and should be worth double what its going for, this is borderline a unicorn, beauty !

Randy Winkman

16,406 posts

191 months

Tuesday 9th February 2021
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And article full of lovely British cars if you also click on the links to the Lotus, Morgan and TVR.

howardhughes

1,032 posts

206 months

Tuesday 9th February 2021
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Had the pleasure of a ride out in one of these when they first came out. Blistering performance. Only criticism was the build quality.
Everything seemed to rattle inside the car. Gorgeous design though. Love the profile and rear end.

Biggriff

2,312 posts

286 months

Tuesday 9th February 2021
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Agree, build quality made a TVR look like a Toyota. Chassis was made of pipe cleaners and whilst great to drive left you cold on all other fronts.

Davey S2

13,098 posts

256 months

Tuesday 9th February 2021
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I test drove a 3R at Williams in Bristol when my then Elise was in for a service.

Felt like a bigger, much faster Elise. Build quality felt similar too.

JayH888

264 posts

153 months

Tuesday 9th February 2021
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Had my M12 for 10 years. A proper analogue driving experience with no ABS or traction control. Really is the driver in control and it's addictive. Absolute keeper.

Maccmike8

1,051 posts

56 months

Tuesday 9th February 2021
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Absolutely amazing to look at and ageing well.
I definitely would if I could.

cerb4.5lee

31,043 posts

182 months

Tuesday 9th February 2021
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I've always liked everything about these. I'd love one for sure. Very nice.

Electra

64 posts

140 months

Tuesday 9th February 2021
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rampageturke

2,622 posts

164 months

Tuesday 9th February 2021
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Electra said:
maybe there are people that like nobles more than ultimas idea

stevekoz

529 posts

164 months

Tuesday 9th February 2021
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Electra said:
God that is stunning.

Though, i think and i have no real basis on what to judge this on bar what i've read, the Noble would probably be easier to fit in and drive every other weekend when its perfect conditions, not just on the track. That to me feels much more of a track only (very special) car.

The noble is special but it has an air that it can be used as well - though reliability and build quality may speak otherwise. I don't know as said.

The noble here though is very expensive no doubt due to the mileage, i'd rather take a punt on one with 40k thats had some of the niggles ironed out and pay circa 35-40K for one like that instead.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202012117...

TinyTiny

171 posts

40 months

Tuesday 9th February 2021
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For that amount of money, surely you'd be looking at one of the Final Edition Exige 390s? I mean, it's £5k more but fighting in the same sport and arguably better build quality and a warranty.

steveb8189

479 posts

193 months

Tuesday 9th February 2021
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loveice said:
Great car from engineering point of view. But, why didn't they employ a professional automotive design designers/team to design the exterior and interior? Not as if it's a cheap kit car...
"Noble Automotive Ltd. was established in 1999 by Lee Noble in Leeds, West Yorkshire, for producing high-speed sports cars with a rear mid-engine, rear-wheel drive layout. Lee Noble was the chief designer and part owner of Noble"

I'd like to see you start a car company and then only 18 months later release a model like the M12. I imagine hiring a professional automotive design team isn't cheap and, to be fair, I think the M12 looks great.

sdiggle

182 posts

92 months

Tuesday 9th February 2021
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Classic Mondeo rear lights!!

fantheman80

1,483 posts

51 months

Tuesday 9th February 2021
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My ex left me for a BA pilot who had this car. She literally turned up with him to get her stuff from my place in it. I went out and had a chat with him about the noble which was probably not what he or she was expecting. Asking for a passenger ride was probably a bit too far admittedly..







loveice

Original Poster:

649 posts

249 months

Tuesday 9th February 2021
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steveb8189 said:
loveice said:
Great car from engineering point of view. But, why didn't they employ a professional automotive design designers/team to design the exterior and interior? Not as if it's a cheap kit car...
"Noble Automotive Ltd. was established in 1999 by Lee Noble in Leeds, West Yorkshire, for producing high-speed sports cars with a rear mid-engine, rear-wheel drive layout. Lee Noble was the chief designer and part owner of Noble"

I'd like to see you start a car company and then only 18 months later release a model like the M12. I imagine hiring a professional automotive design team isn't cheap and, to be fair, I think the M12 looks great.
I understand their initial offering couldn't be designed by professionals and back in the end of 90s indeed small car manufactures could get away from it rightly or wrongly. But, even the later models were not designed by professional automotive designers though...

Personally I just think it was a missed opportunity as the engineering part was solid. I mean every year there are over 120 Coventry graduates. Yes, 80% of them are not upto real world automotive design jobs, but minus the very few get employed by the big manufactures, there're always a few capable ones left without proper automotive related design jobs. And every year at Coventry with their 4-year sandwich Automotive Design courses, students and lecturers are always seeking for free real world design placements...

The fact is that in the past there wasn't a culture in low-volume British auto manufacturers to invest in automotive design. They simply didn't value exterior and interior design as much as the same kind of manufactures today. There were opportunities, but they didn't even bother to think about it, never mind trying.

I'm not here to start an argument. But that's just my own observation and option.

richinlondon

601 posts

124 months

Tuesday 9th February 2021
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so if i need a rear light unit for my Mk1 Mondeo i just need to find one of these in a scrapyard somewhere :-)

MX-6

5,983 posts

215 months

Tuesday 9th February 2021
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sdiggle said:
Classic Mondeo rear lights!!
That was I first thing that came to mind when clicking and giving the pic's a squint. Not in a negative sence though, I'm quite nostalgic for the days when you could seemingly knock up parts bin special sports car relatively easily, compared to how it seems to be these days. Even the Jag XJ220 had Rover 200 rear lights.
Tuesday 9th February 2021
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fantheman80 said:
My ex left me for a BA pilot who had this car. She literally turned up with him to get her stuff from my place in it. I went out and had a chat with him about the noble which was probably not what he or she was expecting. Asking for a passenger ride was probably a bit too far admittedly..
I salute your sang-froid, Sir. Very cool