RE: Audi S6 Avant (C7) | Spotted

RE: Audi S6 Avant (C7) | Spotted

Tuesday 9th November 2021

Audi S6 Avant (C7) | Spotted

The days of subtle fast Audis appear to be gone; old ones to the rescue!



On initial findings, it seems that the Audi RS3 is a great car. But there's one thing that won't change about the verdict when we get to drive one in the UK - it's a bit much to look at. Previous generations could slip under the radar until warbling past; this new RS3, with its giant grille and angry attitude, announces its intentions from the off. Same with the current RS6 - it's far more overt, all things being relative, than the old car.

Which is fine, typically, because the S models offer performance in a more subtle form. But look at the last S3 we tested. Even without the yellow paint, it's far shoutier than previous generations. Times change and tastes change, clearly, which Audi has to move with. Except tastes don't change much on PH, do they? Knowing what we like and liking what we know, we're keen on fast Audis - the Avants in particular - being as discreet as possible.

This previous generation S6 is the perfect example. Silver means even the S-specific mirrors don't stand out, the wheels are large but no larger than most A6 Avants on the road and the hints at its 420hp potential - the badges and exhaust - are fairly muted. Four seems a tad excessive, but then it's become a trademark - even the four-cylinder S1 had them.



The C7 was a good generation of A6, with a return to form for the RS6 a real highlight. The S6 used the same 4.0-litre twin-turbo V8, albeit in a lesser state of tune. Still, with 420hp and 406lb ft, it was potent enough to reach 62mph in less than five seconds - fast enough for most. Perhaps the driving experience wasn't as eye-opening as an RS6's, but for occupying the role of a big Audi 'S' model - quick, unassuming, great engine - the old S6 ticked a lot of boxes. Its diesel replacement has done an admirable job, too, but the choice between petrol V8 and V6 oil burner isn't a hard one to make.

This 2015 S6 is for sale at £29k, presumably one of the last before a 2016 update to 450hp. It's covered almost 60,000 miles with three owners, and looks largely blemish free: some leather has inevitably gone a bit shiny, but wheels and paintwork look in fine condition. If anything, the fundamentals of the interior are looking better with age, both analogue dials and chunky physical buttons taking pride of place. We're nothing if not consistent in what we like...

This S6 is currently the most affordable C7 Avant on PH; it's still possible to pay £45k for one of the last V8s. But beyond that, choices are pretty limited: an AMG E53 wagon is great, but arriving later means they remain almost £50k; neither BMW nor Jaguar has created a comparable model. And an RS6 can't be had in similar condition for less than £45,000. Still, if an S6 is the answer to a car buying conundrum, expect to be very impressed. And for nobody else to understand why.


SPECIFICATION | AUDI S6 AVANT (C7)

Engine: 3,993cc, twin turbo V8
Transmission: 7-speed dual-clutch, four-wheel drive
Power (hp): 420@5,500-6,400rpm
Torque (lb ft): 406@1,400-5,200rpm
0-62mph: 4.9 secs
Top speed: 155mph
Year registered: 2015
Recorded mileage: 58,000
Price new: c. £60k
Yours for: £29,000

See the original advert here


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pb8g09

Original Poster:

2,429 posts

71 months

Tuesday 9th November 2021
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Would prefer it in another colour but this appeals to me more than a diesel S6 and probably actually an RS6 too.

Is it this model with the fake exhaust tips or is that just the diesel replacement?

Water Fairy

5,552 posts

157 months

Tuesday 9th November 2021
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Like it. Surely it's only a map away from getting near 500bhp?

jimbim

67 posts

132 months

Tuesday 9th November 2021
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pb8g09 said:
Would prefer it in another colour but this appeals to me more than a diesel S6 and probably actually an RS6 too.

Is it this model with the fake exhaust tips or is that just the diesel replacement?
Lovely car, brilliantly under the radar.
This exhausts are real, yes. The diesel’s are fake…

leglessAlex

5,507 posts

143 months

Tuesday 9th November 2021
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Revo claim their ‘Stage 1’ will put these between 513bhp and 550bhp. That would be pretty damn cool I gotta say.

MisanoPayments

337 posts

44 months

Tuesday 9th November 2021
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There were a few PHers who leased these a couple of years ago (woops, longer ago than that now!), but the amount of late run ones with the standard SD card nav is silly, especially when some are still with £40K plus asking prices!

K5tealth

101 posts

156 months

Tuesday 9th November 2021
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Nice car, but this is one of those dealers that charges a £99 admin fee, to cover their costs of filling in a piece of paper, when they sell a car to you

Wouldn't buy on principle

Arsecati

2,351 posts

119 months

Tuesday 9th November 2021
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Water Fairy said:
Like it. Surely it's only a map away from getting near 500bhp?
Actually OVER 500bhp is the norm from a simple stage one. I mean..... it would be rude not to I guess!

TheOctaneAddict

784 posts

49 months

Tuesday 9th November 2021
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I do really like these, they certainly fly under the radar.

3yardy3

270 posts

116 months

Tuesday 9th November 2021
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K5tealth said:
Nice car, but this is one of those dealers that charges a £99 admin fee, to cover their costs of filling in a piece of paper, when they sell a car to you

Wouldn't buy on principle
Whilst I agree with you, a sensible person would just say knock the admin fee off or reduce the price by £99 and its a deal, if not bye bye.

pb8g09

Original Poster:

2,429 posts

71 months

Tuesday 9th November 2021
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3yardy3 said:
Whilst I agree with you, a sensible person would just say knock the admin fee off or reduce the price by £99 and its a deal, if not bye bye.
As a percentage of the total price I’d probably just swallow it if it meant getting better service and not a huffy salesman. A 0.33% addition on a £30k purchase price seems like a strange thing to walk away from a deal on if it had the spec, mileage and condition you’re after.

Gez79

220 posts

185 months

Tuesday 9th November 2021
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I had a FL saloon for a couple of years. Heavy cars but handled okay and they have standard air suspension which is adjustable. Not bad on fuel either with cylinder deactivation.

A few expensive issues though, the early ones can eat their turbos and my chain tensioner failed at 50k which was engine and gearbox out and 4k to fix.

That killed the love for me so I sold it after that.

But as a fast discreet V8 car they are a pretty good all rounder.

thelostboy

4,592 posts

227 months

Tuesday 9th November 2021
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Are they literally a remap away from being RS6 power (560bhp), or is there more to it than that?

AC43

11,575 posts

210 months

Tuesday 9th November 2021
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Gez79 said:
But as a fast discreet V8 car they are a pretty good all rounder.
Yup, looks just like a boggo TDI.

Love it.

Meridius

1,608 posts

154 months

Tuesday 9th November 2021
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thelostboy said:
Are they literally a remap away from being RS6 power (560bhp), or is there more to it than that?
Here is a video explaining the differences between S7 and RS7 4.0TFSI (which are basically the same as S6 and RS6 engines)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ra7zTXv1DfU

They also have different gearboxes, the S6 has a DSG DL501 whereas the RS6 has an 8-speed ZF 8HP90 with a far higher torque rating. So while it would seem that you could tune the S6 4.0TFSI up to the power levels of an RS6 quite easily, the drivetrain is not built up to the same standard. May well still be able to handle the power increase, who knows, but technical spec might suggest a shorter shelf-life.

tril

369 posts

76 months

Tuesday 9th November 2021
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thelostboy said:
Are they literally a remap away from being RS6 power (560bhp), or is there more to it than that?
Yes they are power wise. But as someone else has said, this has a DCT rather than the ZF8 of the RS6. A remap would put you quite close to the max torque rating of the gearbox so would make me a bit nervous. However, there are plenty of cars out there running these remaps completely trouble free.

K5tealth

101 posts

156 months

Tuesday 9th November 2021
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pb8g09 said:
3yardy3 said:
Whilst I agree with you, a sensible person would just say knock the admin fee off or reduce the price by £99 and its a deal, if not bye bye.
As a percentage of the total price I’d probably just swallow it if it meant getting better service and not a huffy salesman. A 0.33% addition on a £30k purchase price seems like a strange thing to walk away from a deal on if it had the spec, mileage and condition you’re after.
I find it strange that you can justify paying it because it is a small percentage of the overall spend. I am not sure why the percentage is relevant, you are still giving the dealership £100 of your hard-earned for nothing - they are not selling the car to you at cost. Presumably you would have an issue if the car was only £1k, but what is the difference?

If people don't walk-away from these things, they become the norm and everyone starts charging an admin fee for something that was previously covered by the margin.

Typically these dealers that charge the fee also refuse to negotiate on price, so are doing very nicely out of the deal.

Bluesmurff09

336 posts

170 months

Tuesday 9th November 2021
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I had a 2016 saloon with loads of extras on it. Very boring to drive and hideously expensive when something goes wrong.

I now have an RS3 and this is the car I should have bought in the first place.

pb8g09

Original Poster:

2,429 posts

71 months

Tuesday 9th November 2021
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K5tealth said:
I find it strange that you can justify paying it because it is a small percentage of the overall spend. I am not sure why the percentage is relevant, you are still giving the dealership £100 of your hard-earned for nothing - they are not selling the car to you at cost. Presumably you would have an issue if the car was only £1k, but what is the difference?

If people don't walk-away from these things, they become the norm and everyone starts charging an admin fee for something that was previously covered by the margin.

Typically these dealers that charge the fee also refuse to negotiate on price, so are doing very nicely out of the deal.
The accountant in me fully agrees with you.

However when the dealer calls your bluff and says “fine” when you demand your £99 off or you’ll walk on what might be the only car with the spec you want, it’s your nose you’re cutting off not his.

Don’t get me wrong it shouldn’t be allowed, but let’s get real, it does exist. Did you refuse to buy your house because you had to pay £x00 to your mortgage company to tell you it was worth what you had offered on it?

K5tealth

101 posts

156 months

Tuesday 9th November 2021
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pb8g09 said:
K5tealth said:
I find it strange that you can justify paying it because it is a small percentage of the overall spend. I am not sure why the percentage is relevant, you are still giving the dealership £100 of your hard-earned for nothing - they are not selling the car to you at cost. Presumably you would have an issue if the car was only £1k, but what is the difference?

If people don't walk-away from these things, they become the norm and everyone starts charging an admin fee for something that was previously covered by the margin.

Typically these dealers that charge the fee also refuse to negotiate on price, so are doing very nicely out of the deal.
The accountant in me fully agrees with you.

However when the dealer calls your bluff and says “fine” when you demand your £99 off or you’ll walk on what might be the only car with the spec you want, it’s your nose you’re cutting off not his.

Don’t get me wrong it shouldn’t be allowed, but let’s get real, it does exist. Did you refuse to buy your house because you had to pay £x00 to your mortgage company to tell you it was worth what you had offered on it?
That's the problem - I am an accountant!

I know its hard to walk away, but I have. Stuff like this just boils my pee

I resented paying for my house survey, but I did at least get a service for it and it was provided by an independent company that the bank had to pay. Paying an "admin" fee is just robbery - what exactly is the admin?!?

Tell me - are you happy to pay a fee to use a cash machine?

These fees only exist because people pay

robertdon777

170 posts

65 months

Tuesday 9th November 2021
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4 Pipes + Audi = Gone in 60 seconds from your driveway