Apple Vision Pro
Discussion
From what I've picked up and as above, you see images from cameras on screens rather than through the glasses themselves. They also presumably link to a device (macbook etc) and essentially act as a new screen for it.
Few observations
As I understand it the 'screen' you see appears to be fixed in one location - so for example at the opposite wall to you. So when you look down at a keyboard/talk to somebody say next to you, the screen will remain static in its virtual space. Just as your physical TV would.
I think for this to work its ability to stay absolutely rock solid in place rather than drift slightly when you move your head/return to looking at it will be vital. If it drifts (like AR tends to) it'll completely ruin the effect. That's if I've understood how it works correctly.
I understand speakers, but presumably it'll work with airpods as the plane example will only work if you've noise cancelled the plane noise and/or the person next to you can't hear what you're listening to.
Connections to other Vision Pro/source material. Cost aside, can a family of four sit down and simultaneously watch a movie together on their headsets? If so, presumably this could happen remotely as well - so friends in different countries etc? Could be quite fun to have PiP of your mates watching the same thing virtually. Maybe this is already a thing though as I don't game?!
Few observations
As I understand it the 'screen' you see appears to be fixed in one location - so for example at the opposite wall to you. So when you look down at a keyboard/talk to somebody say next to you, the screen will remain static in its virtual space. Just as your physical TV would.
I think for this to work its ability to stay absolutely rock solid in place rather than drift slightly when you move your head/return to looking at it will be vital. If it drifts (like AR tends to) it'll completely ruin the effect. That's if I've understood how it works correctly.
I understand speakers, but presumably it'll work with airpods as the plane example will only work if you've noise cancelled the plane noise and/or the person next to you can't hear what you're listening to.
Connections to other Vision Pro/source material. Cost aside, can a family of four sit down and simultaneously watch a movie together on their headsets? If so, presumably this could happen remotely as well - so friends in different countries etc? Could be quite fun to have PiP of your mates watching the same thing virtually. Maybe this is already a thing though as I don't game?!
Dave Hedgehog said:
being able to move the display around the room and towards you is going to make for very interesting first person gentleman's interest videos
It's already been done (so I've heard) I had a Samsung Gear and while it was pretty basic compared to this it was really good to watch youtube on a massive screen and 3D/360 videos of roller coasters were very realistic.s1962a said:
Tycho said:
I think that Snazzy Labs nails how I think about this. Everyone says how good it is but for the price I'd expect nothing less. It's a first gen product that isn't for the masses. If it can be miniaturized to the size of normal glasses and have proper see through screens then it would be the next iPhone but I can't see it really.
Remember the first iphone? When the people bought it way back then, did they think that in a few years time the iphone would be able to take DSLR level photos, 4k video, and also be used a wallet to pay for things? We actually have no idea the usecases we might have for a VR/AR headset in the future, and how much better the hardware might get. This one seems pretty decent as a Gen1 device, albeit expensive.
As mentioned earlier in the thread you can imagine the possibilities for someone like a surgeon.
Everything labeled in real space, the target organ/tissue could be highlighted. How wide is that artery? How thick is the wall? What temperature is it? What tool is required? What size needle? What's that lump likely to be? Best 3 courses of action when things go wrong, likely sucess/failure of the next move, i'm stuck let me just get the SME in, puts on a hesdset from their condo in Bora Bora etc etc.
And probably lots of other things that I can't comprehend.
If it's not fairly mainstream in 10 years I'll be surprised.
Everything labeled in real space, the target organ/tissue could be highlighted. How wide is that artery? How thick is the wall? What temperature is it? What tool is required? What size needle? What's that lump likely to be? Best 3 courses of action when things go wrong, likely sucess/failure of the next move, i'm stuck let me just get the SME in, puts on a hesdset from their condo in Bora Bora etc etc.
And probably lots of other things that I can't comprehend.
If it's not fairly mainstream in 10 years I'll be surprised.
Jiebo said:
Plenty of people can easily afford to drop £3.5k on some tech, in a similar way as people have £80k to spend on a car, or £5k on a bike, £10k on a holiday, £2.5 on a MacBook pro etc. There are plenty of people with money out there.
Since when has apple products been for the low income masses?
Easy to forget how much more money there is in the US. Since when has apple products been for the low income masses?
Literally 10's of million of American's could spend $3500 at the drop of the hat if they wanted.
That said this isn't designed to be a big seller, they'll almost certainly lose a packet on it. Version's 3, 4 and 5 will be the big sellers if it takes off.
ChocolateFrog said:
Easy to forget how much more money there is in the US.
Literally 10's of million of American's could spend $3500 at the drop of the hat if they wanted.
That said this isn't designed to be a big seller, they'll almost certainly lose a packet on it. Version's 3, 4 and 5 will be the big sellers if it takes off.
Literally 10's of million of American's could spend $3500 at the drop of the hat if they wanted.
That said this isn't designed to be a big seller, they'll almost certainly lose a packet on it. Version's 3, 4 and 5 will be the big sellers if it takes off.
People spend more than that on a handbag. A lot more than that on a wristwatch.
https://www.harrods.com/en-gb/shopping/women-bags
otolith said:
ChocolateFrog said:
Easy to forget how much more money there is in the US.
Literally 10's of million of American's could spend $3500 at the drop of the hat if they wanted.
That said this isn't designed to be a big seller, they'll almost certainly lose a packet on it. Version's 3, 4 and 5 will be the big sellers if it takes off.
Literally 10's of million of American's could spend $3500 at the drop of the hat if they wanted.
That said this isn't designed to be a big seller, they'll almost certainly lose a packet on it. Version's 3, 4 and 5 will be the big sellers if it takes off.
People spend more than that on a handbag. A lot more than that on a wristwatch.
https://www.harrods.com/en-gb/shopping/women-bags
Probably equivalent to 3 weeks rent in some Californian cities where the type of people that will buy this actually live.
ChocolateFrog said:
You can imagine the tech being integrated into your car's windscreen.
Sat nav instructions mapped onto the actual road. Vulnerable road users highlighted, POI'S augmented with relevant information. Loads of possibilities.
You could play real life Mario Kart if you wanted.
Indeed. Air forces are already experimenting with mixed reality against cietual opponents for training. It's the logical next step from existing Helmet Mounted Displays that allow pilots to look through their aircraft to see targets.Sat nav instructions mapped onto the actual road. Vulnerable road users highlighted, POI'S augmented with relevant information. Loads of possibilities.
You could play real life Mario Kart if you wanted.
https://youtu.be/ZQJU8wd5nsw
Incidentally, Nintendo have an augmented reality version of Mario Kart using RC cars:
https://youtu.be/X6o6T40w6As
sugerbear said:
Flight sim would be cool No need to have 50 displays in your living room to mimic the feel of a surround cockpit.
This would be a good usecase. Also would be good if it can be tethered to a mac/pc to use as massive PC display(s) and have minimal lag, whilst still being able to 'see' your real keyboard and mouse.Also a massive cinema screen in 3d
Cockaigne said:
Two hour run time, fake eyes, it is a gimmick. Looks worse than the Dyson headphones which is saying something. Google glasses was so much better engineered. People don't want stupid big googles on their face even in business market this is aimed at
Google Glass was just a head-up display, absolutely nothing like the same thing.Cockaigne said:
Two hour run time, fake eyes, it is a gimmick. Looks worse than the Dyson headphones which is saying something. Google glasses was so much better engineered. People don't want stupid big googles on their face even in business market this is aimed at
It would be cool to be able to choose different fake eyes as well. So when someone walks in close to you instead of seeing your real eyes, they see eyes tracking in real-time but with devil red pupils. That'll scare the kids 
Cockaigne said:
Two hour run time, fake eyes, it is a gimmick. Looks worse than the Dyson headphones which is saying something. Google glasses was so much better engineered. People don't want stupid big googles on their face even in business market this is aimed at
It seems more aimed at consumer market to me. Barely any hardcore AR stuff in the presentation. Perhaps to be expected given it wasn't a B2B presentation. But I don't think it's aimed at surgeons etc like holodeck wasAbsolutely fantastic piece of tech - no expense spared in packing in the technology - but of course priced accordingly.
Unlike most Apple products, I don't think they are taking a huge profit margin in this one. There is such a vast amount of expensive stuff in it.
I think it could definitely show the way ahead for 'serious' use of VR/AR tech - it's certainly miles ahead of the Quest Pro and not much more than 2x the launch price to boot (Quest Pro has since dropped in price quite a bit). But at the projected 3.5k dollars (probably close in pounds and euro) price, it probably won't be a huge seller.
I would expect the ideas and technology to make their way into cheaper, future products from Apple and competitors. Going by the early hands on impressions, they really seem to have cracked the 'user interface' side of VR and made something that could easily replace a monitor setup.
Personally, I'll likely be more than happy with a Quest3 but bravo to Apple on this one.
Unlike most Apple products, I don't think they are taking a huge profit margin in this one. There is such a vast amount of expensive stuff in it.
I think it could definitely show the way ahead for 'serious' use of VR/AR tech - it's certainly miles ahead of the Quest Pro and not much more than 2x the launch price to boot (Quest Pro has since dropped in price quite a bit). But at the projected 3.5k dollars (probably close in pounds and euro) price, it probably won't be a huge seller.
I would expect the ideas and technology to make their way into cheaper, future products from Apple and competitors. Going by the early hands on impressions, they really seem to have cracked the 'user interface' side of VR and made something that could easily replace a monitor setup.
Personally, I'll likely be more than happy with a Quest3 but bravo to Apple on this one.
lizardbrain said:
It seems more aimed at consumer market to me. Barely any hardcore AR stuff in the presentation. Perhaps to be expected given it wasn't a B2B presentation. But I don't think it's aimed at surgeons etc like holodeck was
Consumers at home? So men with too much money and time on their hands, is their market. Prawn?Gassing Station | Computers, Gadgets & Stuff | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff