Are 20 Limits Enforceable?

[The Boy Lard]

Having a chat with some mates in the pub, one of them reckons that 20 limits are advisable.

I know their mostly around schools hospitals are generally sensible and have speedbumps / slalom sections, but didn't know if he was right - seems odd to me?

[7db]

They are enforcable.

[UpTheIron]

Some are signed as advisable.

Those that are not are absolute limits.

BIB, for those that are "advisable", what would you do if you observed somebody driving through at 30mph, say outside a school at 4pm?

[deva link]

Do a search on here for Tower Bridge.

There's several threads about the 20MPH specs enforced limit there, that is, according to one poster, catching over a hundred people per day.

>> Edited by deva link on Friday 2nd September 23:09

[planetdave]

Apparently can be done with hairdryers but the variability factor precludes the use of vascar. Apparently.
Something like that. IIRC.

It's friday night FFS

[castroneves]

I assure you they are enforable, old plod was there with his laser in langport somerset a few months back, in the middle of a stupid 20 limit.

[8Pack]

There IS an issue though isn't there! Around here at any rate they DON'T have the "Roundel" type sign with 20 in it!........

[Dwight VanDriver]

Providing the Order making the 20 is correct and that it is properley signed then it is:

ENFORCEABLE,

(Must be the approved roundel)

dvd

[MOTCO]

There's one in Wimbledon (a side road off the common) that definitely isn't enforcable even though it uses the "roundel" sign. It doesn't start or stop with a proper large sign nor are there 30 signs at the ends. I am of the view that the signs were installed by the residents. All that you see are repeaters.

[rewc]

Around Motherwell there are signs on most residential roads with a 20 sign with green border and the words 'Twenty is Plenty'. These are advisory only but no doubt if you hit something doing 29 it would go against you.

[BliarOut]

rewc said:

Around Motherwell there are signs on most residential roads with a 20 sign with green border and the words 'Twenty is Plenty'. These are advisory only but no doubt if you hit something doing 29 it would go against you.

There's some with the green border in Spalding too. The wording there is "Advisory limit" There's no such thing as an advisory limit, it's either a limit or it isn't!

Perhaps the council wanted a twenty, but they weren't allowed so they try to make it look as official as they can instead?

Paranoid? Me? Too right I am

[mcflurry]

Since speedos only have to be accurate (or over) between 30 and 70 mph surely there would be some leeway if you were caught "slightly" above the limit?

[nonegreen]

BliarOut said:

rewc said: Around Motherwell there are signs on most residential roads with a 20 sign with green border and the words 'Twenty is Plenty'. These are advisory only but no doubt if you hit something doing 29 it would go against you. There's some with the green border in Spalding too. The wording there is "Advisory limit" There's no such thing as an advisory limit, it's either a limit or it isn't! Perhaps the council wanted a twenty, but they weren't allowed so they try to make it look as official as they can instead? Paranoid? Me? Too right I am

Graffiti it with "I have listened to the advice and I think its shite" I said that to a cop once and he went apopleptic with rage it was hilarious.

[smeggy]

The Boy Lard said:

Having a chat with some mates in the pub, one of them reckons that 20 limits are advisable.

Any road sign with a instruction within a red ring is a command and 'must' be obeyed (more examples: anything in a red triangle is a warning, inverted red triangle is 'give way').

Speed limits shown in those yellow matrix signs (without a red ring) usually located in central reservations are 'advisable'.

[Dwight VanDriver]

What about the circular sign with black 19 on white with red border Smeggy?

Been reported they have appeared in UK.

19 mph. Sureley not.

Have a look at

http://tinyurl.com/6wpk7

scroll down a bit to come to the sign.

dvd

[smeggy]

Dwight VanDriver said:

What about the circular sign with black 19 on white with red border Smeggy? .......... scroll down a bit to come to the sign.

That sign looks so wrong to me, either Photoshopped or faked: the white hue is not consistent, the angle and size of the ‘9’ doesn’t tally with the ‘1’, the pole between the signs isn’t visible.

After a bit of digging, it appears these signs appeared only on private roads, so they may not mean anything anyway:

www.cambourne.info/news.html

[planetdave]

BliarOut said:

The wording there is "Advisory limit" There's no such thing as an advisory limit, it's either a limit or it isn't!

The ones you describe might be bogus but advisory limits do exist. I drive past one every day. Look at the sign section of the H.C.

[smeggy]

planetdave said:

BliarOut said: The wording there is "Advisory limit" There's no such thing as an advisory limit, it's either a limit or it isn't! The ones you describe might be bogus but advisory limits do exist. I drive past one every day. Look at the sign section of the H.C.

"Yellow flashing lights and a speed limit
Indicate an advisory speed limit. Follow that advice."

www.thinkroadsafety.gov.uk/advice/motorwaydriving01.htm

[tvrgit]

The ones in Motherwell are part of the Council's "Twenty's plenty" campaign for minor residential roads I think. If you lived in those streets you would agree that 20 is probably enough. If you don't, you wont - such is the way of life.

The signs have a green border so are advisory - ie not enforceable.

They are not illegal signs.

[8Pack]

Dwight VanDriver said:

Providing the Order making the 20 is correct and that it is properley signed then it is: ENFORCEABLE, (Must be the approved roundel) dvd

Ah! now they don't have the (20 mph)roundel sign here DVD, it's a square sign and within it (amongst other things saying "school area" is a small black roundel with 20 mph in it. The standard sized roundels are NOT used to denote 20 mph.

I'll see if I can get a photo.......