RE: 'Furious' HWA Evo edges closer to reality
RE: 'Furious' HWA Evo edges closer to reality
Tuesday 9th January 2024

'Furious' HWA Evo edges closer to reality

The Mercedes 190 Evo II of your wildest dreams should be here in 2025 - form an orderly queue


We’ve all seen how awesome an E30 M3 restomod can be, courtesy of Redux, so it was only a matter of time before the Mercedes 190E received a similar treatment. You might have heard of the HWA Evo, given HWA is an Affalterbach-based race team and the 190 Evo is one of the most legendary homologation saloons ever - and now there are proper images of what 100 lucky customers stand to receive. It’s spectacular to say the very least.

Described by HWA as a ‘furious reinterpretation of the legendary Mercedes-Benz 190E 2.5-16 Evo II’, the most obvious point to note is that the Evo most still certainly looks like the base car. No backdating or reimagining going on here, it’s just the best the greatest 190E can be with the help of 21st-century technology. So there are some snazzier lights (and no more Mercedes badges), but also bigger wheels and brakes, wider tracks, a lower ride height and so on. The more you look at the Evo, in fact, the more it makes the wild original look almost timid. HWA says that the Evo will be made ‘using state-of-the-art technology in terms of powertrain, performance, chassis, brakes, aerodynamics and safety’, though hasn’t yet confirmed any specs. It’ll have to be pretty serious, surely, to back up the aesthetic. 

HWA plans to make 100 examples, which we’d have to assume might be built from less exotic 190Es; only 500 Evo IIs were ever made, so chopping up 20 per cent of them for the restomod cause surely isn’t viable. Particularly as the last one we wrote about was almost £200k. That being said, HWA has stated an asking price of 714,000 euros plus VAT for an Evo, which is currently £613,000, plus the 20 per cent - let’s call it £750,000 to be sure. Maybe they are starting with the real deal, then.

Martin Marx, CEO of HWA, said: "Thanks to our company's long tradition, we see the HWA EVO as a flagship project into which we can incorporate all our experience and know-how. This further milestone is a demonstration of our capabilities and raises the bar to a new level so that we are optimally prepared for future tasks." It is a lot of money, yes, though there really must be no company better placed in the world than HWA to make the ultimate 190E. And undoubtedly a lot of affection for the W201 remains. HWA is collaborating with Miami-based Curated to work on sales and distribution, which gives a good hint at the target market, with deliveries set to begin at the end of next year. Wonder if the fortunate hundred will be allowed any other colour…


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Robertb

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3,858 posts

268 months

Tuesday 9th January 2024
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Looks like one of those cartoon cars with massive wheels.

Press release/Article manages to say a lot without actually saying anything at all.

JumpinJack

408 posts

208 months

Tuesday 9th January 2024
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That is cool, but I'm not sure I'd part with nearly 3/4 of a £million (if I even had it) for one.

Seven7

107 posts

37 months

Tuesday 9th January 2024
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Looks fantastic but I'd want the original lights (or very similar modern ones). I don't like the ones shown here.

As for pricing, it just seems these companies make it up as they go along and pull some huge figure out of mid air.

No specs at all but £750k.

Yeah OK... rolleyes

Edited by Seven7 on Tuesday 9th January 11:01

Hammersia

1,564 posts

45 months

Tuesday 9th January 2024
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Seeing as it's going to be "state of the art" everything including powertrain it doesn't seem like there would be much actual Mercedes left over, like most top end restomods.

Dunno how potential buyers of this stuff decide whether their "new race car with an old body" is actually going to bear any relation to the original.

ChrisCh86

1,128 posts

74 months

Tuesday 9th January 2024
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The headlights and tail lights are different so that they can include Xenon (or LED) lights instead of Halogen, otherwise I can't see many differences from the base car.

As others have said it's an awful lot of money without knowing any specifications. I'd rather go to MST for a new build rally Escort at £100k

Teddy Lop

8,301 posts

97 months

Tuesday 9th January 2024
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Hammersia said:
Seeing as it's going to be "state of the art" everything including powertrain it doesn't seem like there would be much actual Mercedes left over, like most top end restomods.

Dunno how potential buyers of this stuff decide whether their "new race car with an old body" is actually going to bear any relation to the original.
I like it - but -

If you're updating everything then what's the point of chopping up a "real" EVO.

If you don't at least chop up a "real" EVO as your starting point then what right or sense do you have to call it an EVO, besides the cash-in value of the reflected glory?

JJJ.

5,566 posts

45 months

Tuesday 9th January 2024
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Looks the dogs but at three times the price of an original EVO ll. No, give me the original even if it has only half the power of this restromod nice and all that it will be undoubtedly.

asci.white

557 posts

103 months

Tuesday 9th January 2024
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Apparently it comes with a full carbon body and a twin-turbo V6..

J4CKO

46,839 posts

230 months

Tuesday 9th January 2024
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So, hoover up some old knackers from the classifieds, in the £1500 to 3 grand price range.

I know stuff like this is expensive, but 600 grand ?

I could see maybe where 200 would go, but well over half a million quid.

Seven7

107 posts

37 months

Tuesday 9th January 2024
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No real EVO's will be sacrificed for this.

Hammersia

1,564 posts

45 months

Tuesday 9th January 2024
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Teddy Lop said:
Hammersia said:
Seeing as it's going to be "state of the art" everything including powertrain it doesn't seem like there would be much actual Mercedes left over, like most top end restomods.

Dunno how potential buyers of this stuff decide whether their "new race car with an old body" is actually going to bear any relation to the original.
I like it - but -

If you're updating everything then what's the point of chopping up a "real" EVO.

If you don't at least chop up a "real" EVO as your starting point then what right or sense do you have to call it an EVO, besides the cash-in value of the reflected glory?
Yes, but then it's suggested above it's a carbon body anyway... what has it to do with an EVO? Srs question.

Teddy Lop

8,301 posts

97 months

Tuesday 9th January 2024
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asci.white said:
Apparently it comes with a full carbon body and a twin-turbo V6..
If you're ditching the 2.5-16 then (I don't see anymore what relation it bears to EVO whatsoever but) mercedes do make some rather exciting engines, unfortunately they put them in some difficult to like cars, surely an AMG offering would be fitting?

Full AMG powertrain and parts, service at your local dealer/aftermarket, worldwide appeal and easy usability. Talk to Merc they might even be happy to warrant the thing or add you as a specialist sub division, not like you're treading on AMGs business that hard.

florian

298 posts

304 months

Tuesday 9th January 2024
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asci.white said:
Apparently it comes with a full carbon body and a twin-turbo V6..
A stock twin-turbo V6 would be very disappointing. On the HWA website, I see a sketch that mentions the M159. That's the 6,2l NA V8 from the SLS which would be an insane combination: https://hwalegacy.com

Also, for those who aren't aware of it: HWA is the company of the original AMG co-founder. AMG built the CLK GTR and is also the supplier of the Pagani Huayra R engine. I think that warrants the high price of the car.

andyj007

459 posts

208 months

Tuesday 9th January 2024
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standard 190e look fantastic, why ruin them .with a max power version

MDMA .

10,682 posts

131 months

Tuesday 9th January 2024
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Robertb said:
Looks like one of those cartoon cars with massive wheels.

Press release/Article manages to say a lot without actually saying anything at all.

wolfie28

1,144 posts

174 months

Tuesday 9th January 2024
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Form an orderly queue, are you taking the pi$$. Who do you think frequents these pages, Multiple millionaires?? I couldn't afford one of those wheels. I know this is a free forum but I'm getting really bored with this sort of guff. Grumpy Tuesday sorry.

JJJ.

5,566 posts

45 months

Tuesday 9th January 2024
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florian said:
Also, for those who aren't aware of it: HWA is the company of the original AMG co-founder. AMG built the CLK GTR and is also the supplier of the Pagani Huayra R engine. I think that warrants the high price of the car.
Maybe, possibly but doubt it. It seems to me this is aimed at the U.S. market where they think an AMG 500/560SEC is worth zillions. Of course anybody can justify the price of anything.

W00DY

16,728 posts

256 months

Tuesday 9th January 2024
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Knock out some renders of a retro car with some slight tweaks to make it look more modern and then advertise it for sale at a huge price. If someone buys one for 750k then you can work out how to build it and what it will actually be later.

DaveyBoyWonder

3,902 posts

204 months

Tuesday 9th January 2024
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Looks incredible. Absolutely incredible. Makes the Prodrive P25 or whatever it was look like a bargain!

AmyRichardson

1,984 posts

72 months

Tuesday 9th January 2024
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They do state that this is a halo/demonstrator/publicity product, in which role it makes more sense.

As a thing unto itself it's all a bit daft; some residuum of a 190E in there somewhere but all new everything else - and most of the original in a wheeliebin round the back.