Xerox printers Pagepack agreement
Discussion
My office laser printer has died. I have had it for ages, a Xerox Phaser 7300 and it has been very good, albeit costly to run.
Most of my printing is double sided A3 with a lot of colour photos.
I am planning on buying a replacement Xerox, this time a Phaser 7400DN.
Question is do I continue to buy all of my consuamables as and when I need them or do I sign up to a Pagepack agreement, which charges me on a per copy basis?
It would be good to hear from anyone with experience of this, I am very dis-trusting of any contracts as I prefer to have total flexibility. On the other hand, it looks as if it may save me some money which is always welcome.
Most of my printing is double sided A3 with a lot of colour photos.
I am planning on buying a replacement Xerox, this time a Phaser 7400DN.
Question is do I continue to buy all of my consuamables as and when I need them or do I sign up to a Pagepack agreement, which charges me on a per copy basis?
It would be good to hear from anyone with experience of this, I am very dis-trusting of any contracts as I prefer to have total flexibility. On the other hand, it looks as if it may save me some money which is always welcome.
By co-incidence I am looking at Page pack myself.
On the resellers websites there is a calculator which helps you weigh up the cost.
For a company who does a couple of hundred letters with a colour letterhead a month then there is not much price difference. But if you are printing a lot of colour photos - especially in A3 then you are seriously better off. According to the calculator, our printing costs would be divided by ten!
On the resellers websites there is a calculator which helps you weigh up the cost.
For a company who does a couple of hundred letters with a colour letterhead a month then there is not much price difference. But if you are printing a lot of colour photos - especially in A3 then you are seriously better off. According to the calculator, our printing costs would be divided by ten!
JustinP1 said:
By co-incidence I am looking at Page pack myself.
On the resellers websites there is a calculator which helps you weigh up the cost.
For a company who does a couple of hundred letters with a colour letterhead a month then there is not much price difference. But if you are printing a lot of colour photos - especially in A3 then you are seriously better off. According to the calculator, our printing costs would be divided by ten!
That's a thought, we're changing our letterhead in a month or two, how good is the quality from the printer for doing letterheads as opposed to using the usual method of getting them printed at a printers and feeding them through a B+W printer?On the resellers websites there is a calculator which helps you weigh up the cost.
For a company who does a couple of hundred letters with a colour letterhead a month then there is not much price difference. But if you are printing a lot of colour photos - especially in A3 then you are seriously better off. According to the calculator, our printing costs would be divided by ten!
JustinP1 said:
By co-incidence I am looking at Page pack myself.
On the resellers websites there is a calculator which helps you weigh up the cost.
For a company who does a couple of hundred letters with a colour letterhead a month then there is not much price difference. But if you are printing a lot of colour photos - especially in A3 then you are seriously better off. According to the calculator, our printing costs would be divided by ten!
Thanks, I would guess that we do about 1500 copies per month in an A3 booklet format with photos on pages 1, 3 and 4. Do you have a link to the calculator?On the resellers websites there is a calculator which helps you weigh up the cost.
For a company who does a couple of hundred letters with a colour letterhead a month then there is not much price difference. But if you are printing a lot of colour photos - especially in A3 then you are seriously better off. According to the calculator, our printing costs would be divided by ten!
JulesV said:
JustinP1 said:
By co-incidence I am looking at Page pack myself.
On the resellers websites there is a calculator which helps you weigh up the cost.
For a company who does a couple of hundred letters with a colour letterhead a month then there is not much price difference. But if you are printing a lot of colour photos - especially in A3 then you are seriously better off. According to the calculator, our printing costs would be divided by ten!
Thanks, I would guess that we do about 1500 copies per month in an A3 booklet format with photos on pages 1, 3 and 4. Do you have a link to the calculator?On the resellers websites there is a calculator which helps you weigh up the cost.
For a company who does a couple of hundred letters with a colour letterhead a month then there is not much price difference. But if you are printing a lot of colour photos - especially in A3 then you are seriously better off. According to the calculator, our printing costs would be divided by ten!
The Pagepack calculator is on the menu on the left. There's a few hundred quid cashback plus a free Wii or XBox360 at the moment on the 7400.
I got my Xerox from there, brilliant service sending me through demo copies of our own letterheads and files from a number of printers so I could make an informed decision.
jamoor said:
JustinP1 said:
By co-incidence I am looking at Page pack myself.
On the resellers websites there is a calculator which helps you weigh up the cost.
For a company who does a couple of hundred letters with a colour letterhead a month then there is not much price difference. But if you are printing a lot of colour photos - especially in A3 then you are seriously better off. According to the calculator, our printing costs would be divided by ten!
That's a thought, we're changing our letterhead in a month or two, how good is the quality from the printer for doing letterheads as opposed to using the usual method of getting them printed at a printers and feeding them through a B+W printer?On the resellers websites there is a calculator which helps you weigh up the cost.
For a company who does a couple of hundred letters with a colour letterhead a month then there is not much price difference. But if you are printing a lot of colour photos - especially in A3 then you are seriously better off. According to the calculator, our printing costs would be divided by ten!
I am hugely impresses with both the ease of refilling and also the print quality. The solid ink quality is like a 'silk' coated solid wax. It is not the best for photos, but for solid colour designs it is absolutely superb. What is better than a laser is the quality and density of black text. It is noticeably darker and denser and makes the text jump off the page.
We've done about 15,000 prints through it and it has only jammed once, and that took ten seconds to fix. It also prints very well on glossy and card stocks. I never heard of solid ink printers before, but I am not going back. I would say that for the type of things we are doing the quality is just as good if not better than our local printers produces. Going to get a second one in January on Pagepack to cut down on the print costs.
JustinP1 said:
JulesV said:
JustinP1 said:
By co-incidence I am looking at Page pack myself.
On the resellers websites there is a calculator which helps you weigh up the cost.
For a company who does a couple of hundred letters with a colour letterhead a month then there is not much price difference. But if you are printing a lot of colour photos - especially in A3 then you are seriously better off. According to the calculator, our printing costs would be divided by ten!
Thanks, I would guess that we do about 1500 copies per month in an A3 booklet format with photos on pages 1, 3 and 4. Do you have a link to the calculator?On the resellers websites there is a calculator which helps you weigh up the cost.
For a company who does a couple of hundred letters with a colour letterhead a month then there is not much price difference. But if you are printing a lot of colour photos - especially in A3 then you are seriously better off. According to the calculator, our printing costs would be divided by ten!
The Pagepack calculator is on the menu on the left. There's a few hundred quid cashback plus a free Wii or XBox360 at the moment on the 7400.
I got my Xerox from there, brilliant service sending me through demo copies of our own letterheads and files from a number of printers so I could make an informed decision.
JulesV said:
JustinP1 said:
JulesV said:
JustinP1 said:
By co-incidence I am looking at Page pack myself.
On the resellers websites there is a calculator which helps you weigh up the cost.
For a company who does a couple of hundred letters with a colour letterhead a month then there is not much price difference. But if you are printing a lot of colour photos - especially in A3 then you are seriously better off. According to the calculator, our printing costs would be divided by ten!
Thanks, I would guess that we do about 1500 copies per month in an A3 booklet format with photos on pages 1, 3 and 4. Do you have a link to the calculator?On the resellers websites there is a calculator which helps you weigh up the cost.
For a company who does a couple of hundred letters with a colour letterhead a month then there is not much price difference. But if you are printing a lot of colour photos - especially in A3 then you are seriously better off. According to the calculator, our printing costs would be divided by ten!
The Pagepack calculator is on the menu on the left. There's a few hundred quid cashback plus a free Wii or XBox360 at the moment on the 7400.
I got my Xerox from there, brilliant service sending me through demo copies of our own letterheads and files from a number of printers so I could make an informed decision.
I don't think Xerox are losing out either. The type of business customers they are hoping to get may likely come to Xerox because of Pagepack and they are still making a decent profit on the machine and consumables.
JustinP1 said:
I have the Xerox 8560. I migrated from a standard laser to it. The 8560 is a solid ink printer. You refill it in the top with things that look like inch square wax crayons so there is no toner dust and no wastage with cartridges.
I am hugely impresses with both the ease of refilling and also the print quality. The solid ink quality is like a 'silk' coated solid wax. It is not the best for photos, but for solid colour designs it is absolutely superb. What is better than a laser is the quality and density of black text. It is noticeably darker and denser and makes the text jump off the page.
We've done about 15,000 prints through it and it has only jammed once, and that took ten seconds to fix. It also prints very well on glossy and card stocks. I never heard of solid ink printers before, but I am not going back. I would say that for the type of things we are doing the quality is just as good if not better than our local printers produces. Going to get a second one in January on Pagepack to cut down on the print costs.
Do they still use ludicrous amounts of electricity? The Xerox ones we were landed with in my last job (2-3 years ago) probably cost more in power than consumables, especially as they need to be kept in a fairly high-power "standby" state to stay warm enough to melt the wax when a print job came in. Startup time from cold was about 30 minutes so users wanted to have them kept on all the time in case they were needed.I am hugely impresses with both the ease of refilling and also the print quality. The solid ink quality is like a 'silk' coated solid wax. It is not the best for photos, but for solid colour designs it is absolutely superb. What is better than a laser is the quality and density of black text. It is noticeably darker and denser and makes the text jump off the page.
We've done about 15,000 prints through it and it has only jammed once, and that took ten seconds to fix. It also prints very well on glossy and card stocks. I never heard of solid ink printers before, but I am not going back. I would say that for the type of things we are doing the quality is just as good if not better than our local printers produces. Going to get a second one in January on Pagepack to cut down on the print costs.
We also got a pretty crap per-page deal - whoever put that together got stats for the number of colour prints (from the few colour printers available to the users) and black & white (from the mono lasers that are everywhere) and came out with numbers showing the huge savings to be made. Of course, make a fairly fast colour printer available within about 30ft of everyone's desk and colour usage goes through the roof; not to mention any print with any tiny bit of colour - in a logo or footer, or a bit of highlighted text - all counts as a colour print on the xerox deal. Most users simply can't be bothered to change to greyscale for things that don't need colour, or just don't care about the cost. We also found the drums weren't considered a "consumable" under the agreement (Xerox makes them part of a monstrously expensive "service kit", consisting of that and a little chip to tell the printer it's been changed) and they needed a new one every 6000 pages or so. Of course, regardless of the state of the drum if you hit that interval the things would just refuse to print.
The whole thing cost an absolute fortune, we could have replaced what we had and bought the consumables for them a couple of times over what we paid Xerox. They might have changed, but IMO the only reason they push these "pagepack" type deals is because they're bloody expensive to run, enough so that no-one in their right mind would be an owner-user of them. They then write up contracts that look like a complete bargain to the beancounters but actually have so many hidden costs, minimum usage amounts, penalties for various things, that they make it all back piecemeal over the 3 year life of the printers. Of course they push the idea of "saving money" by printing your own letterheads - they'll make far more off you for that than your local printer ever will!
sjg said:
JustinP1 said:
I have the Xerox 8560. I migrated from a standard laser to it. The 8560 is a solid ink printer. You refill it in the top with things that look like inch square wax crayons so there is no toner dust and no wastage with cartridges.
I am hugely impresses with both the ease of refilling and also the print quality. The solid ink quality is like a 'silk' coated solid wax. It is not the best for photos, but for solid colour designs it is absolutely superb. What is better than a laser is the quality and density of black text. It is noticeably darker and denser and makes the text jump off the page.
We've done about 15,000 prints through it and it has only jammed once, and that took ten seconds to fix. It also prints very well on glossy and card stocks. I never heard of solid ink printers before, but I am not going back. I would say that for the type of things we are doing the quality is just as good if not better than our local printers produces. Going to get a second one in January on Pagepack to cut down on the print costs.
Do they still use ludicrous amounts of electricity? The Xerox ones we were landed with in my last job (2-3 years ago) probably cost more in power than consumables, especially as they need to be kept in a fairly high-power "standby" state to stay warm enough to melt the wax when a print job came in. Startup time from cold was about 30 minutes so users wanted to have them kept on all the time in case they were needed.I am hugely impresses with both the ease of refilling and also the print quality. The solid ink quality is like a 'silk' coated solid wax. It is not the best for photos, but for solid colour designs it is absolutely superb. What is better than a laser is the quality and density of black text. It is noticeably darker and denser and makes the text jump off the page.
We've done about 15,000 prints through it and it has only jammed once, and that took ten seconds to fix. It also prints very well on glossy and card stocks. I never heard of solid ink printers before, but I am not going back. I would say that for the type of things we are doing the quality is just as good if not better than our local printers produces. Going to get a second one in January on Pagepack to cut down on the print costs.
We also got a pretty crap per-page deal - whoever put that together got stats for the number of colour prints (from the few colour printers available to the users) and black & white (from the mono lasers that are everywhere) and came out with numbers showing the huge savings to be made. Of course, make a fairly fast colour printer available within about 30ft of everyone's desk and colour usage goes through the roof; not to mention any print with any tiny bit of colour - in a logo or footer, or a bit of highlighted text - all counts as a colour print on the xerox deal. Most users simply can't be bothered to change to greyscale for things that don't need colour, or just don't care about the cost. We also found the drums weren't considered a "consumable" under the agreement (Xerox makes them part of a monstrously expensive "service kit", consisting of that and a little chip to tell the printer it's been changed) and they needed a new one every 6000 pages or so. Of course, regardless of the state of the drum if you hit that interval the things would just refuse to print.
The whole thing cost an absolute fortune, we could have replaced what we had and bought the consumables for them a couple of times over what we paid Xerox. They might have changed, but IMO the only reason they push these "pagepack" type deals is because they're bloody expensive to run, enough so that no-one in their right mind would be an owner-user of them. They then write up contracts that look like a complete bargain to the beancounters but actually have so many hidden costs, minimum usage amounts, penalties for various things, that they make it all back piecemeal over the 3 year life of the printers. Of course they push the idea of "saving money" by printing your own letterheads - they'll make far more off you for that than your local printer ever will!
My plan is to have the 8560 that we already have for letterheads and incidental colour.
As well as that, instead of putting the 15-20,000 A4 full colour pages through our local printer to do these ourselves on a second 8560 on a pagepack deal.
At the moment, we are paying 15p per copy at the local printshop, pagepack brings this down to 5.6p, a saving of about £1500 to £2000 for us.
From off the solid ink printers do take about 20 mins to warm up from being off, however you can also use standby mode which means the first print is only a minute away, and consumes about 30 watts. Whilst the printer is fully 'on' the printer works instantly.
I think they suit a particular type of user. We have a cheapo colour laser for the odd print during the day, but then use the solid ink for printing the bigger jobs that run into the hundreds of prints. It works well for us.
JulesV said:
JustinP1 said:
JulesV said:
JustinP1 said:
By co-incidence I am looking at Page pack myself.
On the resellers websites there is a calculator which helps you weigh up the cost.
For a company who does a couple of hundred letters with a colour letterhead a month then there is not much price difference. But if you are printing a lot of colour photos - especially in A3 then you are seriously better off. According to the calculator, our printing costs would be divided by ten!
Thanks, I would guess that we do about 1500 copies per month in an A3 booklet format with photos on pages 1, 3 and 4. Do you have a link to the calculator?On the resellers websites there is a calculator which helps you weigh up the cost.
For a company who does a couple of hundred letters with a colour letterhead a month then there is not much price difference. But if you are printing a lot of colour photos - especially in A3 then you are seriously better off. According to the calculator, our printing costs would be divided by ten!
The Pagepack calculator is on the menu on the left. There's a few hundred quid cashback plus a free Wii or XBox360 at the moment on the 7400.
I got my Xerox from there, brilliant service sending me through demo copies of our own letterheads and files from a number of printers so I could make an informed decision.
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