RE: T350T

Friday 31st October 2003

T350T

The T350 with the removable roof - fab or folly?


I reviewed the T350 Coupe when it first his the streets back in December last year - yes it's that long ago. I was fortunate enough to drive one of the first cars, with just delivery mileage on it. Despite driving with one eye on the rev counter the potency of the car and the incredible rigidity was plain to experience.

The same can be said of the new T350T. Despite much cynicism about whether such a model would ever materialise - me included! - the car is very much a reality now and here just in time for some autumnal blasts.

On the Road

Behind the wheel again - and once again reigned in by a running in rev limit - I took to the winding roads near Racing Green's premises in Hampshire. Despite the 3000 rpm limit, despite the wet leaves on the roads and despite the numpty in the Nissan impersonating a snail, it was still great to get behind the wheel again.

The T350 (please go back to names TVR!)  is a pleasant reminder of how far TVR have come in recent years. The door may be glass fibre, but it shuts with a reassuring clunk. The handling is crisp and well balanced. It's an easy car to drive with light controls. This is not a car simply for beefy blokes with big arms to twirl around correcting manic oversteer - it's a car that should appeal to a wide cross section of enthusiasts. And as for oversteer, the car handles like a dream - when the rear steps out it takes just a dab of steering or throttle to keep it there or rein it back in. Drama is no longer compulsory.

It's a small car and certainly one you'd happily use for a daily commute. Bimbling about in the towns and villages, mini roundabouts and zebra crossings isn't a matter of threading a beast through a china shop, it's more like a cat confidently slinking about. It's light and easy to manouvre and towns simply serve as a minor delay until you can wind things up on the open road again.

That Roof

The point of sampling the T350 again was to check out the roof. Again, there are plenty of critics who have already piled in with criticisms that it's unsightly, bound to leak and a botched afterthought on an otherwise pretty car.

I'm pleased to say that it's not though. yes, the panels are pronounced but they're in keeping with the curvaceous lines of the rest of the car and certainly don't look out of proportion. The good news is also that they are large. Whipping them out leaves most of the roof missing. A central bar remains as does the tubing over the doors and windscreen, but there's an enormous amount of sky in view nevertheless. That central strut also ensures none of the rigidity is lost. The small chassis complete with roll over protection provides a stiffness not experienced in any other TVR nor many cars this side of a 911 GT3.

Whipping 'em Out

The panels are secured by some simple spring loaded catches which pull the panels down flush onto the roof and are very unlikely to result in any leaks. They're easy to operate although apparently the catches to the side of the car are to be moved to the front to prevent you banging your head against them! The panels are carbon fibre and as a result extremely light. They just go in the boot when not on the roof.

And as for buffeting, well there isn't any. Obviously it's not a full convertible so the experience isn't quite the same, but it's surprisingly quiet yet airy. On a chilly autumn day we had the panels out, enjoyed a bit of fresh air and plenty of daylight but didn't have to wrap up like eskimos. Cruising through Camberley I could just picture myself in the south of France enjoying this car...

The price of daylight and fresh air is an extra £2K over the £38,500 T350C. £2000 is a lot of money, but if I was in the market for a T350 I'd certainly be tempted to go the whole hog and go for 'T'. It makes the T350 an ideal car for all year round. Now if only they could do the same with a Cerbera...

Thanks to www.racinggreentvr.com for the loan of the car

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dejoux

Original Poster:

772 posts

283 months

Friday 31st October 2003
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Sorry to any TVR fans but I still dont like it. Its no worse looking than a T350 though.

IMHO TVR reached the pinacle of their looks with the Cerbera

Bet to goes like a bat out of hell though

size13

2,018 posts

257 months

Friday 31st October 2003
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I like the T350 (infact I want one), but I don't like the T350T - sorry!

aaandy

726 posts

252 months

Friday 31st October 2003
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I didn't think I liked it but after seeing a few in the flesh at Racing Green last weekend I have changed my mind. It is still a very good looking car and the line of the car really isn't affected that much. My personal opinion though is that the colour coded panels look better than the ones left in the carbon look.

It also feels surprisingly open when sitting in the car, not at all like a glorified sun roof which some people have likened it too.

ruthingator

21 posts

270 months

Friday 31st October 2003
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Shame,

Thought the 'T' might stand for Turbo!

bomb

3,692 posts

284 months

Saturday 1st November 2003
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I love it and can hardly wait for the delivery of MINE !!! only a couple of weeks to go now......

neil.b

6,546 posts

247 months

Saturday 1st November 2003
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Me too! My car will be arriving at the dealer on Monday morning!

So none of this for me all weekend!

bomb

3,692 posts

284 months

Sunday 2nd November 2003
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Neil B. whats the spec / colour of yours ??

Bomb.

neil.b

6,546 posts

247 months

Sunday 2nd November 2003
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T350T
Halcyon Space Blue Pearlescent Paint
Combination of Prussian Blue Blue, Nimbus Grey and Portland Grey Leather interior
Air Con
Upgraded Speaker Package

What about you Bomb?

bomb

3,692 posts

284 months

Sunday 2nd November 2003
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Neil b.

My spec is .....'Spectraflair silver' (with matching seat backs). Matching roof panels.(ie. not the carbon fibre finish externally). Blue / portland grey leather inside. Got extra trim on doors and dash etc.

No A/C though.....if I'm too warm the roof'll be comin' off !!

Standard music ( after the Chimaera I just gave up on the sounds and listened to the engine noise)

Delivery should be towards the end of November so you must be in the line just ahead of me.

I don't know about you, but it I just cannot wait any longer !!

Bomb.

neil.b

6,546 posts

247 months

Sunday 2nd November 2003
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Well, fingers crossed, I only have to wait until tomorrow morning before mine arrives at the dealer from TVR!

First few months flew by but this last week has been sooooooooo slooooooooow!

Hopefully should be able to collect it mid week after PDI and fitting my Origin B2!

Know what you mean re. the speakers but I kind of got them as a freebie - long story which is well documented on this forum

neil.b

6,546 posts

247 months

Tuesday 4th November 2003
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Still no car

I can't stand anymore sleepless nights!

bomb

3,692 posts

284 months

Tuesday 4th November 2003
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Neil b. Are you going to post some piccies when it arrives ?? Bomb.

neil.b

6,546 posts

247 months

Tuesday 4th November 2003
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Oh yeah, certainly. Been told it will "definitely" be at the dealer tomorrow. Um, that's not the first time I've heard that this week though.....

flasher

9,238 posts

284 months

Wednesday 5th November 2003
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The day before I went to hospital I finally got to have a proper look at the targa at TMS.

It does look pretty good in the flesh and the catches look nice and simple to use. It looks like the delays in the build and design process have made sure that the roof panels are far less likely to leak although Id still like to see what happens in a heavy rainstorm...

My overall opinion is unchanged really though.I still feel 100% that the car needs air con. That means the total cost getting along for 44K. Fine if you can afford it! It will be interesting to see the price difference between the two when the second hand market settles in a year or so's time.

Hats off to TVR though for making it happen, it's much better than I ever thought it would be.

neil.b

6,546 posts

247 months

Wednesday 5th November 2003
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My feelings exactly. Hated it when I first saw one but having been able to study one a bit closer at the factory made me appreciate the job they'd done with it. Agree that you still need aircon though, which is what I've got - if not entirely by design

Good to see you back Flasher!

Before everything went pear-shaped I was wanting to ask whether your modified petrol filler was a TMS design or has it come from the factory?

mr john

574 posts

249 months

Wednesday 5th November 2003
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Hi Neil,

Looking forward to seeing the colour of your motor.
As you know I have been running a T for 3 months, and even in the hot summer did not feel the need to have AIR CON.
Get the roof off, it is what the panels are meant for !
IMHO the air con is over priced option and not the most effective system I have ever seen anyway.
The panels are easy to remove, the biggest pain getting them in and out of the storage bags provided.
Let me know when you finally get it and we will go for a blast !

neil.b

6,546 posts

247 months

Wednesday 5th November 2003
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Going to see it at the dealers in about an hour!

Will find out today when I can finally drive it away - hopefully for the weekend

Panels off? Maybe once its run in but i'll be going so slow its likely just to act as a big leaf catcher at the moment

Will drop you a line soon John.

Gonna take some pictures too so I'll try to get them on here ASAP.

whitey

2,508 posts

284 months

Wednesday 5th November 2003
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do the panels actually fit behind the seats, or fo they just go in the luggage area ??

Ah the excitment of when will your new TVR be ready !!

Hope you enjoy it !

flasher

9,238 posts

284 months

Wednesday 5th November 2003
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mr john said:
Hi Neil,

Looking forward to seeing the colour of your motor.
As you know I have been running a T for 3 months, and even in the hot summer did not feel the need to have AIR CON.
Get the roof off, it is what the panels are meant for !
IMHO the air con is over priced option and not the most effective system I have ever seen anyway.
The panels are easy to remove, the biggest pain getting them in and out of the storage bags provided.
Let me know when you finally get it and we will go for a blast !


I disagree with your comments abour aircon. I used mine throughout the entire summer clocking up over 7,000 miles and without the aircon on it was unbearable.

I guess we'll have to disagree on that one, but I can only tell you what my car is like.

The other reason for having it is residual. Like it or not face losing an extra 3K at resale without it. I know a certain dealer that has a Cerb 4.5 LW without air con and it's been there 8 months already....

IPAddis

2,471 posts

284 months

Wednesday 5th November 2003
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Looking at the inside piccy, is that a 4 hole strip of Meccano holding the centre edge of the roof on?!

Looks better than I though it would but if I could afford a T350T, I'd buy a Tamora and give TVR another couple of grand to reshape the rear end.

Ian A.