Stupid things non petrolheads say....
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Over the festive period one friend was telling myself/mech mate and other petrol head mate about his woes with his Seat Ibiza.
It's a 2004 IIRC, 1400cc petrol (sport - lots of toys) in mint condition, that he's had 5years. He has little interest in cars.
In 5years it owes him, 1set of tyres, then yearly servicing....... No bad for 60,000+ miles he's added to it, including his weekendly football trips.
He comes out with:
"reckon I'm going to sell the Seat and get an Aygo on lease...... Far Cheaper as the Seat is just too expensive to tax"
We asked the relevant questions along the lines of: "WHAT THE f
k?" poltely......
Then he produces a Seat quote for repairs as he's had his first intermittant break-down issue with it.
£85 of scan later and they've quoted £700+ to "fix it".
We look at the list, fk all of any worry......... Couple of sensors and a track rod end.
Mech mate tells him parts are £150 ish and he'll sort it for 2hours on the driveway.
Mate replies:
"nah I'm just going to chop it in against an Aygo...... They've offered me £600 for the Ibiza.........."
It's a 2004 IIRC, 1400cc petrol (sport - lots of toys) in mint condition, that he's had 5years. He has little interest in cars.
In 5years it owes him, 1set of tyres, then yearly servicing....... No bad for 60,000+ miles he's added to it, including his weekendly football trips.
He comes out with:
"reckon I'm going to sell the Seat and get an Aygo on lease...... Far Cheaper as the Seat is just too expensive to tax"
We asked the relevant questions along the lines of: "WHAT THE f
k?" poltely......Then he produces a Seat quote for repairs as he's had his first intermittant break-down issue with it.
£85 of scan later and they've quoted £700+ to "fix it".
We look at the list, f
k all of any worry......... Couple of sensors and a track rod end.Mech mate tells him parts are £150 ish and he'll sort it for 2hours on the driveway.
Mate replies:
"nah I'm just going to chop it in against an Aygo...... They've offered me £600 for the Ibiza.........."
NotDave said:
Over the festive period one friend was telling myself/mech mate and other petrol head mate about his woes with his Seat Ibiza.
It's a 2004 IIRC, 1400cc petrol (sport - lots of toys) in mint condition, that he's had 5years. He has little interest in cars.
In 5years it owes him, 1set of tyres, then yearly servicing....... No bad for 60,000+ miles he's added to it, including his weekendly football trips.
He comes out with:
"reckon I'm going to sell the Seat and get an Aygo on lease...... Far Cheaper as the Seat is just too expensive to tax"
We asked the relevant questions along the lines of: "WHAT THE fk?" politely......
Then he produces a Seat quote for repairs as he's had his first intermittant break-down issue with it.
£85 of scan later and they've quoted £700+ to "fix it".
We look at the list, fk all of any worry......... Couple of sensors and a track rod end.
Mech mate tells him parts are £150 ish and he'll sort it for 2hours on the driveway.
Mate replies:
"nah I'm just going to chop it in against an Aygo...... They've offered me £600 for the Ibiza.........."
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That's the mentality which drives car consumers as opposed to car enthusiasts. Local breaker yards are full of cars like that some with interesting MoT failure sheets showing work needed that any half decent DIYer could do themselves for less than £100, often much less. It's a 2004 IIRC, 1400cc petrol (sport - lots of toys) in mint condition, that he's had 5years. He has little interest in cars.
In 5years it owes him, 1set of tyres, then yearly servicing....... No bad for 60,000+ miles he's added to it, including his weekendly football trips.
He comes out with:
"reckon I'm going to sell the Seat and get an Aygo on lease...... Far Cheaper as the Seat is just too expensive to tax"
We asked the relevant questions along the lines of: "WHAT THE f
k?" politely......Then he produces a Seat quote for repairs as he's had his first intermittant break-down issue with it.
£85 of scan later and they've quoted £700+ to "fix it".
We look at the list, f
k all of any worry......... Couple of sensors and a track rod end.Mech mate tells him parts are £150 ish and he'll sort it for 2hours on the driveway.
Mate replies:
"nah I'm just going to chop it in against an Aygo...... They've offered me £600 for the Ibiza.........."
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The stuff folks throw away nowadays defies belief sometimes. A lot of those breaker yards are full of tidy used cars without crash damage which the local Arthur Daley used car dealers have taken in part exchange and do not see as nice little earners. There's a number of reasons why car dealers do this but, whatever, it is very wasteful.
Your Aygo/SEAT P/X chopper-inner could probably get a better overall financial deal without chopping it in with a decent discount on the Aygo and putting the SEAT on ebay "spares or repair" ....
I have not part-exchanged a car against any new one for well over forty years now. Always negotiate a discount on the new car and sell my used car privately. Most sell themselves usually being one owner from new or pass them on within the family. That way buying and running a car can have much less impact on the wallet and save lots over your car running lifetime.
MGJohn said:
That's the mentality which drives car consumers as opposed to car enthusiasts. Local breaker yards are full of cars like that some with interesting MoT failure sheets showing work needed that any half decent DIYer could do themselves for less than £100, often much less.
The stuff folks throw away nowadays defies belief sometimes. A lot of those breaker yards are full of tidy used cars without crash damage
My local scrap yard has a rather annoying habit of sending off the V5 to the DVLA declaring a car as scrap even when it has been driven into the scrap yard with tax and MOT. The stuff folks throw away nowadays defies belief sometimes. A lot of those breaker yards are full of tidy used cars without crash damage
Some of the recent acquisitions include a Audi 200 turbo estate which they cubed the day after it arrived because it was "worth £300 as it weighed nearly 2 tonne." when to an enthusiast the engine and running gear is worth in excess of £1000 and the whole car could have been sold for double that.
Another was a Jag XJR which also had MOT on it when it arrived but also got cubed straight away, a early 80s VW Polo saloon with <30k on the clock which looked immaculate when it drove into the scrappy had another car stacked on top of it by the end of the day. There was a BMW 745i and Volvo T5 that were both driven in with no issues which got cubed purely because of their weight when they were worth far far more in parts to the right people.
Worst of all the scrappy keep plenty of Pug 106/saxo/fiestas and other small base spec s
te boxes that are worth nothing, yet anything larger gets cubed in no time "cos scrap metal value is good at the moment". You'd like my local scrappy then, they've started up a secondary business selling repairable stuff
http://www.repairablevehicles.co.uk/salvage-vehicl...
http://www.repairablevehicles.co.uk/salvage-vehicl...
RizzoTheRat said:
You'd like my local scrappy then, they've started up a secondary business selling repairable stuff
http://www.repairablevehicles.co.uk/salvage-vehicl...
Old school cool:http://www.repairablevehicles.co.uk/salvage-vehicl...
http://www.repairablevehicles.co.uk/salvage-vehicl...
My Brother just bought an 850 estate with a huge service history, 107k miles, 11 months MOT and 7 months tax fro £550 so I don't think this 244 is good value, but I still love it.
MGJohn said:
That's the mentality which drives car consumers as opposed to car enthusiasts. Local breaker yards are full of cars like that some with interesting MoT failure sheets showing work needed that any half decent DIYer could do themselves for less than £100, often much less.
The stuff folks throw away nowadays defies belief sometimes. A lot of those breaker yards are full of tidy used cars without crash damage which the local Arthur Daley used car dealers have taken in part exchange and do not see as nice little earners. There's a number of reasons why car dealers do this but, whatever, it is very wasteful.
Your Aygo/SEAT P/X chopper-inner could probably get a better overall financial deal without chopping it in with a decent discount on the Aygo and putting the SEAT on ebay "spares or repair" ....
I have not part-exchanged a car against any new one for well over forty years now. Always negotiate a discount on the new car and sell my used car privately. Most sell themselves usually being one owner from new or pass them on within the family. That way buying and running a car can have much less impact on the wallet and save lots over your car running lifetime.
It's madness, I hate VAG stuff but even I can see that a 1400cc Ibiza (Facelift) with the full sport pack on it, with >80k on the clock and less than 7years old IIRC is worth more than £600.The stuff folks throw away nowadays defies belief sometimes. A lot of those breaker yards are full of tidy used cars without crash damage which the local Arthur Daley used car dealers have taken in part exchange and do not see as nice little earners. There's a number of reasons why car dealers do this but, whatever, it is very wasteful.
Your Aygo/SEAT P/X chopper-inner could probably get a better overall financial deal without chopping it in with a decent discount on the Aygo and putting the SEAT on ebay "spares or repair" ....
I have not part-exchanged a car against any new one for well over forty years now. Always negotiate a discount on the new car and sell my used car privately. Most sell themselves usually being one owner from new or pass them on within the family. That way buying and running a car can have much less impact on the wallet and save lots over your car running lifetime.
1/2 tempted to offer him £600 for it, fix it myself as it's a couple of sensors causing the rev counter etc to fail, and 1x track rod end, and then let our lass run it to destruction over 20k a year to work and back.
f
king thing is imaculate, with AC, EW, FSSH and so on........ And he wants to swap this, then pay some nice man several hundred quid a month for a pov-spec aygo with keep-fit windows and 3hpNotDave said:
It's madness, I hate VAG stuff but even I can see that a 1400cc Ibiza (Facelift) with the full sport pack on it, with >80k on the clock and less than 7years old IIRC is worth more than £600.
1/2 tempted to offer him £600 for it, fix it myself as it's a couple of sensors causing the rev counter etc to fail, and 1x track rod end, and then let our lass run it to destruction over 20k a year to work and back.
fking thing is imaculate, with AC, EW, FSSH and so on........ And he wants to swap this, then pay some nice man several hundred quid a month for a pov-spec aygo with keep-fit windows and 3hp
Do it, you've got a slim chance that seeing your Mrs use it to death will give him pause next time.1/2 tempted to offer him £600 for it, fix it myself as it's a couple of sensors causing the rev counter etc to fail, and 1x track rod end, and then let our lass run it to destruction over 20k a year to work and back.
f
king thing is imaculate, with AC, EW, FSSH and so on........ And he wants to swap this, then pay some nice man several hundred quid a month for a pov-spec aygo with keep-fit windows and 3hpBadBanshee said:
E500 TAT said:
Talking to a guy at work who'd just had some work done on his car at a local garage and he'd had a warning light on the dash, he was moaning about the charge for diagnostics.
I explained to him about modern electrics and told him i have an hand held machine for 'self diagnostic' work.
Ahh! he said, do you think you could plug it into my car and alter the revs a little, what do you mean i asked? 'when i'm doing 70mph it's doing xxx revs and if it was doing less i'd get more to the gallon.
Think you could come round and plug it into my car too? I'm after climate control, heated leather seats and bespoke 19 inch anthracite alloy wheels.I explained to him about modern electrics and told him i have an hand held machine for 'self diagnostic' work.
Ahh! he said, do you think you could plug it into my car and alter the revs a little, what do you mean i asked? 'when i'm doing 70mph it's doing xxx revs and if it was doing less i'd get more to the gallon.
About 4 years ago we were looking for a decent Punto priced about £2500 to get a similar aged car to one that had been "bananared" by a Suzuki 600 stolen by a prat in the next village. Took us a while only for a "friend" to reveal they had chopped their "newer" version with less miles for a Grande Punto and got £1400 for it. I was fuming but some people think they are getting top whack when they p-ex!!!
NotDave said:
It's madness, I hate VAG stuff but even I can see that a 1400cc Ibiza (Facelift) with the full sport pack on it, with >80k on the clock and less than 7years old IIRC is worth more than £600.
1/2 tempted to offer him £600 for it, fix it myself as it's a couple of sensors causing the rev counter etc to fail, and 1x track rod end, and then let our lass run it to destruction over 20k a year to work and back.
fking thing is imaculate, with AC, EW, FSSH and so on........ And he wants to swap this, then pay some nice man several hundred quid a month for a pov-spec aygo with keep-fit windows and 3hp
I'll bid £700 for it.1/2 tempted to offer him £600 for it, fix it myself as it's a couple of sensors causing the rev counter etc to fail, and 1x track rod end, and then let our lass run it to destruction over 20k a year to work and back.
f
king thing is imaculate, with AC, EW, FSSH and so on........ And he wants to swap this, then pay some nice man several hundred quid a month for a pov-spec aygo with keep-fit windows and 3hpNot so much said as yelled by my mother years ago when my late father had an MGB GT. She had a nasty habit of pulling out into the jaws of oncoming traffic, from stationary, with the car fully laden, with a cold engine, in third, yelling, "COME ON! COME ON!" to it for labouring a bit.
(She's now 84 and still driving. Thankfully with an automatic.)
(She's now 84 and still driving. Thankfully with an automatic.)
NotDave said:
Over the festive period one friend was telling myself/mech mate and other petrol head mate about his woes with his Seat Ibiza.
It's a 2004 IIRC, 1400cc petrol (sport - lots of toys) in mint condition, that he's had 5years. He has little interest in cars.
In 5years it owes him, 1set of tyres, then yearly servicing....... No bad for 60,000+ miles he's added to it, including his weekendly football trips.
He comes out with:
"reckon I'm going to sell the Seat and get an Aygo on lease...... Far Cheaper as the Seat is just too expensive to tax"
We asked the relevant questions along the lines of: "WHAT THE fk?" poltely......
Then he produces a Seat quote for repairs as he's had his first intermittant break-down issue with it.
£85 of scan later and they've quoted £700+ to "fix it".
We look at the list, fk all of any worry......... Couple of sensors and a track rod end.
Mech mate tells him parts are £150 ish and he'll sort it for 2hours on the driveway.
Mate replies:
"nah I'm just going to chop it in against an Aygo...... They've offered me £600 for the Ibiza.........."
I despair at the idiocy of non enthusiasts - and the extent to which they get ripped off.It's a 2004 IIRC, 1400cc petrol (sport - lots of toys) in mint condition, that he's had 5years. He has little interest in cars.
In 5years it owes him, 1set of tyres, then yearly servicing....... No bad for 60,000+ miles he's added to it, including his weekendly football trips.
He comes out with:
"reckon I'm going to sell the Seat and get an Aygo on lease...... Far Cheaper as the Seat is just too expensive to tax"
We asked the relevant questions along the lines of: "WHAT THE f
k?" poltely......Then he produces a Seat quote for repairs as he's had his first intermittant break-down issue with it.
£85 of scan later and they've quoted £700+ to "fix it".
We look at the list, f
k all of any worry......... Couple of sensors and a track rod end.Mech mate tells him parts are £150 ish and he'll sort it for 2hours on the driveway.
Mate replies:
"nah I'm just going to chop it in against an Aygo...... They've offered me £600 for the Ibiza.........."
Case in point a mate of mine, who has no interest in cars whatsoever suggested that he was going to get a new set of wheels as his ageing Astra was looking at a £600 quid bill from a main stealer (who the f
k takes an 8 year old Astra to a dealer for maintenance and repair?)Me: "don't take it there - ill give it to my guy and it will be about £250 max"
Him: "no it's ok - and anyway I'm going to trade it in for a newer Astra"
Me: "Well for gods sake if you are chopping it in don't get it fixed - and let me know what you want and I'll speak to a few mates in the trade and sort it out for you.
Anyway he goes ahead and spends £500 quid fixing the car - the stealer then gives him £1500 quid for it and he pays an additional £7500 for a 2009 1.6 boggo spec Astra - so full price is 9 large!!!!
He tells me this - I tell him he wants his head looking at and that he should have let me sort it out - he disagrees.
Two months later I arrive in my new car - a 2007 A8, immaculate condition, full price including extras 63k - I paid £9.5k because I have a few contacts in the trade.
He asks how much - I tell him 500 quid more than what he paid for his. He looks somewhat despondent .
You can lead a horse to water etc etc
Edited by Mr Gearchange on Wednesday 2nd January 13:29
Krikkit said:
Do it, you've got a slim chance that seeing your Mrs use it to death will give him pause next time.
He's a smart lad, but openly admits to be car-clueless with zero interest.But 3 of his mates a car-nuts and would happily have helped.
TBH I think the mixture of owning it 5years and boredom contributed to the "get rid" theory........ But f
k knows why he wants a Aygo, barring his Mrs has one.Me & mech mate asked him for basic figures and he got more illogical:
ME: What's the cost to change?
HIM: about £8k-£10k
ME: What's the cost to sort the IBIZA?
HIM: Well according to Al, about £200 all in
ME: So why else get rid?
HIM: The tax on the aygo is free/£30 and the Ibiza costs loads to tax, £140 odd a year
ME: So you're going to spend £8,000 to £10,000 over three years to save about £110 a year?
Him: errr........
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As for horse to water etc, my father finally paid attention to me, and didn't spend £2500+ on a derv Focus as a snotter with 100k+ on the clock and pov spec and instead spent £700 on a SType Jaaaagggggg with less miles, and 3litres of poke.
Meanwhile a female friend is still winge-ing that her 1400cc Tigra (2006) is thirstier and more expensive to run than her 1400cc Puma was.
DickyC said:
Not so much said as yelled by my mother years ago when my late father had an MGB GT. She had a nasty habit of pulling out into the jaws of oncoming traffic, from stationary, with the car fully laden, with a cold engine, in third, yelling, "COME ON! COME ON!" to it for labouring a bit.
(She's now 84 and still driving. Thankfully with an automatic.)
Will always recall the first time the OH drove MIL 1400cc Polo after 6months in my Saab 9-3 SS..... Holy f(She's now 84 and still driving. Thankfully with an automatic.)
k I thought we were dead.A-road, oncoming traffic, she pulls out to over-take a dawdling wagon, doing 45ish in 5th then chucks it to 4th and wonders why we didn't pass it too quick....
Probably as it's got 1/3 the power, 1/5 the torque and is missing 1gear compared to the Saab......Oh and has no blower either.
AndyClockwise said:
The number of people who confuse MoT and servicing is surprisingly high - quote from woman in office "new cars don't need servicing for three years"
And yet some still advertise cars as lady owner as if it should attract a premium
here's a thoughtAnd yet some still advertise cars as lady owner as if it should attract a premium
if people are too stupid to understand this, then they should have their licences revoked.
now, just how much better for the rest of us this would be?
AndyClockwise said:
The number of people who confuse MoT and servicing is surprisingly high - quote from woman in office "new cars don't need servicing for three years"
And yet some still advertise cars as lady owner as if it should attract a premium
And yet some still advertise cars as lady owner as if it should attract a premium
- shudders*
Mate's workmate ran her 2.0zetec mondeo for 7years never having it serviced. 1.1L of oil left in and blew itself to pieces.
AndyClockwise said:
The number of people who confuse MoT and servicing is surprisingly high - quote from woman in office "new cars don't need servicing for three years"
And yet some still advertise cars as lady owner as if it should attract a premium
Indeed, not to mention those who don't see depreciation as a cost. We all know someone who thinks that a £20k car which after 3 years is barely worth £7k is still a better investment than having a £7k 10 year old car that requires a £40 MOT.And yet some still advertise cars as lady owner as if it should attract a premium
NotDave said:
Probably as it's got 1/3 the power, 1/5 the torque and is missing 1gear compared to the Saab......Oh and has no blower either.
Mate of mine met his missus in the seventies when she was a sales exec with a GTI Golf company car. When she fell pregnant she left her job, lost her GTI and he kindly bought her a 1.3 Marina. "It's very slow. I keep forgetting when I pull out to overtake." Is it a bloke thing to assess a car's abilities fairly quickly? I hope I wouldn't have pulled out to overtake in GTI mode in a 1.3 Marina at all, let alone "keep on" doing it.
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