Define Britishness

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Tartan Pixie

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2,208 posts

149 months

Tuesday 13th March 2012
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Culture is always a hard one to pin down because the little bugger keeps moving, however I'm intrigued to see what PH makes of the word British and what it means.

IMO I've narrowed it down to this - Someone will always call your bluff and the accuracy of your answer is valued more highly than anything else like saving face or looking cool.

EG a Russian would order the most expensive bottle of wine as a status symbol while a Brit is more likely to order a bottle of something they've at least heard of. (Status vs Accuracy)

EG an Indian would be unlikely to admit that they can not do something and would say 'Oh my brother/friend/elephant knows how to program in that language so I'll get them to help' while a Brit would say 'I don't know how to program in that language'. (Saving face vs Accuracy)

Well that's my take on it anyway, the defining nature of Britishness is that no matter what you say someone will challenge you and our culture is based on the accuracy of how we deal with that confrontation.

So, how would you define Britishness?

pork911

7,301 posts

185 months

Tuesday 13th March 2012
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Tartan Pixie said:
So, how would you define Britishness?
Hmm can of worms thread i think.

Personally I'd define it as having passed the life in uk test wink

UnderTheRadar

503 posts

175 months

Tuesday 13th March 2012
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As you say, it moves with time. I'm sure it's changed between the island being colonised by people from Africa, invaded by the Romans, Scandinavians, Germans & French (I make no claim for timeline accuracy) And then immigration from our previous colonies & EU states. Before I get flamed I think this is a positive as it tends only to be the go-getters that migrate.

But there is cultural difference between Aberdeen, Bradford, Brixton and Mayfair, so I'm not sure you can paint them all with one brush. The only things I can think of that seem common are the rather unexciting traits of tolerance and "fair play".

TheHeretic

73,668 posts

257 months

Tuesday 13th March 2012
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A natural ability to queue, and to never complain in a restaurant.

ShayneJ

1,073 posts

181 months

Tuesday 13th March 2012
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Britishness is a state of mind.

It helps to be born on these islands but it's not a prerequisite.

AJS-

15,366 posts

238 months

Tuesday 13th March 2012
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Of or originating from the British isles would be the obvious answer.

If you mean as specifically relates to the characteristics of the people as opposed to people from other countries then I suppose it really depends what people you are comparing them too. The cliches of the stiff upper lip and never showing emotion are valid as compared to southern European nations, but pretty redundant in Asia.

As a Briton living abroad the stand out thing for me is the sense of humour (shared to a large degree with the Australians) that is completely lost on people of most other nations yet can be brilliant, especially after an absence. Of course a lot of that is based on familiarity and shared experiences. Perhaps two Belgians, Japanese or Brazilians find similar humour in each other's company.

Eric Mc

122,344 posts

267 months

Tuesday 13th March 2012
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pork911 said:
Tartan Pixie said:
So, how would you define Britishness?
Hmm can of worms thread i think.

Personally I'd define it as having passed the life in uk test wink
That's me then.

cal216610

7,839 posts

172 months

Tuesday 13th March 2012
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Seeing this thread, i thought of this.

Then after thinking about it more, it seems this is now more a truer version looks like.



You can also add various MPs, over paid footballers etc.
I think britishness is now an ex-pat.

Derek Smith

45,904 posts

250 months

Tuesday 13th March 2012
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I was walking towards my rugby club along the paved path where there was only room for one. A bloke was coming towards me and when he was about 20 feet away I stepped off the path and onto the soggy grassed bit. The British, or perhpas English, thing was that he did the same. So we walked past one-another, both of us off the path and in the mud. Once past we both got back on the path and carried on our way.

When I got to the club house those in there were laughing at me, saying how silly it looked, but then they all decided they would have done the same. We had a short conversation as to why but the logic proved difficult so we gave up.

Thinking about it though it seemed to me that neither of us wanted to put the other out or to be in debt to them. So if both step off then everything is equal and fair.

Despite it being silly, I would do exactly the same thing again.

Eric Mc

122,344 posts

267 months

Tuesday 13th March 2012
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And get flattened by an illegal immigrant driving an untaxed and uninsured Ford Sierra.

Kermit power

28,915 posts

215 months

Tuesday 13th March 2012
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To me "Britishness" is an artificial, meaningless concept which is merely used for bureaucratic, administrative purposes.

There's far more national identity to being English, Welsh or Scottish.

12gauge

1,274 posts

176 months

Tuesday 13th March 2012
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Thats it, nowadays. Its a legal construct, nothing else. Whatever social, cultural legacy was left us has been squandered over the past 50 years.

rs1952

5,247 posts

261 months

Tuesday 13th March 2012
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Complaining about the EU wink

oyster

12,684 posts

250 months

Tuesday 13th March 2012
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Tartan Pixie said:
Culture is always a hard one to pin down because the little bugger keeps moving, however I'm intrigued to see what PH makes of the word British and what it means.

IMO I've narrowed it down to this - Someone will always call your bluff and the accuracy of your answer is valued more highly than anything else like saving face or looking cool.

EG a Russian would order the most expensive bottle of wine as a status symbol while a Brit is more likely to order a bottle of something they've at least heard of. (Status vs Accuracy)

EG an Indian would be unlikely to admit that they can not do something and would say 'Oh my brother/friend/elephant knows how to program in that language so I'll get them to help' while a Brit would say 'I don't know how to program in that language'. (Saving face vs Accuracy)

Well that's my take on it anyway, the defining nature of Britishness is that no matter what you say someone will challenge you and our culture is based on the accuracy of how we deal with that confrontation.

So, how would you define Britishness?
I'd have said about 95% of Russians have never even drank wine. Or do you mean the rich ones you meet outside of their own country? If so, that's not really a good representation.

On that basis I think you'll find identifying Britishness equally impossible.

DJRC

23,563 posts

238 months

Tuesday 13th March 2012
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The instinctive understanding that whatever the situation, life will be better if there was a cup of char and a biccie involved.

Digga

40,587 posts

285 months

Tuesday 13th March 2012
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TheHeretic said:
A natural ability to queue, and to never complain in a restaurant.
That and cheerfully barbequeing sausages under a tarpaulin in torrential British summer rain.

AJS-

15,366 posts

238 months

Tuesday 13th March 2012
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Many people said:
accuracy....fairness....honesty....decency....never complaining......cheerful....cups of tea.....marmite.... harriers.....inventing everything.....best at everything.....modest
Can we wrap all that up into "fond self image in defiance of reality"?

speedy_thrills

7,762 posts

245 months

Tuesday 13th March 2012
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cal216610 said:
Seeing this thread, i thought of this.
"The Story of Keep Calm and Carry On"

dandarez

13,334 posts

285 months

Tuesday 13th March 2012
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Eric Mc said:
And get flattened by an illegal immigrant driving an untaxed and uninsured Ford Sierra.
roflroflrofl

The unfunny and tragic side to that is it 'really' could happen and worse, nobody today would bat an eyelid!

Britishness?
Virtually disappeared. It's simply nostalgia to many of us now.
Just glad I saw and was part of some of it.

williamp

19,328 posts

275 months

Tuesday 13th March 2012
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Its a nonsense question which will only ever be asked by ourselves. try it with another country and see how far you get:

What is Germanyness?
Frenchness?
italianness?
American-ness?

etc etc

We have our opinion on these places, but they are inevertably wrong or outdated.