Whoooopeeeee, the new Cayenne V6 is here !!!!
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But don't expect me to drag my butt off the couch even to crawl to the window to take a peek. How can anyone get excited about a 5200-pound V6 SUV ???? (From Porsche, of all people??)
Talk about B O R I N G
Talk about sad.
Is it time for a nap yet, let's talk about something interesting like Tiger Woods (not!) or a VW powered Porsche that weighs 5200 pounds with a transmission made in Japan. Ohhh yeah, don't forget to mention the small VW motor that has been "tweaked" by Porsche to make the lead sled a little less of a dog. Hey, what does "Cayenne" mean, anyway, is there some kind of a translation I'm missing here??? ha ha Perhaps they should name the V6 model "Canine".
The people on the board of directors might be smiling, but they're just a band of industrial prostitutes willing to badge engineer something for money. What ever happened to engineering EXCELLENCE ??
(Just slap a Lexus badge on the front and wake me up when it's over, the bad dream, okay?)
Talk about a devaluation of the marque, the destruction of Porsche from within, the total dillution of the brand, for what???? (Answer: greed)
Dogsharks
Talk about B O R I N G
Talk about sad.
Is it time for a nap yet, let's talk about something interesting like Tiger Woods (not!) or a VW powered Porsche that weighs 5200 pounds with a transmission made in Japan. Ohhh yeah, don't forget to mention the small VW motor that has been "tweaked" by Porsche to make the lead sled a little less of a dog. Hey, what does "Cayenne" mean, anyway, is there some kind of a translation I'm missing here??? ha ha Perhaps they should name the V6 model "Canine".
The people on the board of directors might be smiling, but they're just a band of industrial prostitutes willing to badge engineer something for money. What ever happened to engineering EXCELLENCE ??
(Just slap a Lexus badge on the front and wake me up when it's over, the bad dream, okay?)
Talk about a devaluation of the marque, the destruction of Porsche from within, the total dillution of the brand, for what???? (Answer: greed)
Dogsharks
Dey make der cash, alright, but it go in de pockets of der stock-holders. Dis allow Porsche to slip into the quagmire of "badge engineering" and prostitute der name to new lows. How do you say, in dis country, "fugly".
Any theory that de Cayenne or Canine, however you call it, exists to make Porsche a company to better build sporting cars is foolish. The Cayenne exist to put smile on der German board member, now wearing Gucci loafers, and who seems to no longer care about the world-wide mystique of "German Engineering". Why do de do dis? De answer is simple, to put money in their pockets.
elms said:
Ive just read the test in EVO and can't believe the performance figures. 0-60-9.7sec and 133mph flat out. Not bad for a off-roader but for something wearing a Stuttgart badge it's a joke! A bloody mid 1980s 924 or 944 could give it a run for it's money!
And you might add: "and drive circles around it"
The Cayenne weighs in somewhere around 2400 pounds more than my '84 n/a 944. No wonder they call em "Porkers", because a 5200 pound vehicle with a V6 is going to be a pig on the road by just about any standard. Who cares if it can accelerate, the scarey part is what happens once it is up to speed. That 5200 pounds is going to have a mind of it's own when it comes time to go around a corner, just ask Einstein, ha ha.
Dogsharks
elms said:
Ive just read the test in EVO and can't believe the performance figures. 0-60-9.7sec and 133mph flat out. Not bad for a off-roader but for something wearing a Stuttgart badge it's a joke! A bloody mid 1980s 924 or 944 could give it a run for it's money!
Even early 944s & 924S's bagged somat fairly reasonable- like 8.5secs 0-60 times, even the dismally slow & agrigcultural 2.0 924s were at the just sub 10 secs 0-62mph.
So by my reckoning only a 912, 914 or the automotive exotica that is a 924 automatic (hmmm nice
) will be much slower on the sprint!Porsche - no strangers to badge engineering a VeeDub product are they....
...having said that, the Cayenne in this guise is probably no worse than a lower spec. X5 and despite it's spectacular ugliness, I'd buy the Cayenne.
....and in a few years' time, the V6 ought to be a decent secondhand buy.
Dogsharks, keep posting stuff - you make this forum interesting
...are you an American BTW? I only ask because I find myself agreeing with your opinions to an unusual degree
...having said that, the Cayenne in this guise is probably no worse than a lower spec. X5 and despite it's spectacular ugliness, I'd buy the Cayenne.
....and in a few years' time, the V6 ought to be a decent secondhand buy.
Dogsharks, keep posting stuff - you make this forum interesting
...are you an American BTW? I only ask because I find myself agreeing with your opinions to an unusual degree
dogsharks said:The suggestion wasn't 'foolishness' and you're right, Porsche are there to make money so, given that Porsche, as a company, exists only to make money, would you prefer them to make more money by diluting the sports cars to make them more accessible to everyone by building something like an mx5 competitor or by making something completely different such as a 4x4 and flogging it to a load of americans and keeping the sports cars special?
Dey make der cash, alright, but it go in de pockets of der stock-holders. Dis allow Porsche to slip into the quagmire of "badge engineering" and prostitute der name to new lows. How do you say, in dis country, "fugly".
Any theory that de Cayenne or Canine, however you call it, exists to make Porsche a company to better build sporting cars is foolish. The Cayenne exist to put smile on der German board member, now wearing Gucci loafers, and who seems to no longer care about the world-wide mystique of "German Engineering". Why do de do dis? De answer is simple, to put money in their pockets.
The alternative you suggest is presumably not to water down the brand at all. If they did that then surely they would not make enough money to satisfy the board and they wouldn't attract investment and wouldn't be able to make the sports cars any more.
Mark
I take the opposite point of view. The Cayenne is very welcome, IMO.
The single biggest reason for people selling their Porsche is having kids, and needing more space. Why should they leave the brand and go to a competitor like BMW to do this?
In addition, the Cayenne also gives Porsche the ability to demonstrate their engineering prowess. No car of that size can compare to the ability of the Cayenne. It is an engineering masterclass.
And finally, we must accept the financial reality of things. I am very happy that my 996 is built and supported by the most profitable car company in the world - that tells me that they are still going to be around in the future, and will carry on making great spors cars.
Remember, without the Cayenne Porsche sales and profitability would be down a great deal. Sales of 996 and Boxster and falling quite fast now, the Cayenne has saved the day and provided lots of profit to make a new sports car range.
The single biggest reason for people selling their Porsche is having kids, and needing more space. Why should they leave the brand and go to a competitor like BMW to do this?
In addition, the Cayenne also gives Porsche the ability to demonstrate their engineering prowess. No car of that size can compare to the ability of the Cayenne. It is an engineering masterclass.
And finally, we must accept the financial reality of things. I am very happy that my 996 is built and supported by the most profitable car company in the world - that tells me that they are still going to be around in the future, and will carry on making great spors cars.
Remember, without the Cayenne Porsche sales and profitability would be down a great deal. Sales of 996 and Boxster and falling quite fast now, the Cayenne has saved the day and provided lots of profit to make a new sports car range.
toppstuff said:
I take the opposite point of view. The Cayenne is very welcome, IMO.
The single biggest reason for people selling their Porsche is having kids, and needing more space. Why should they leave the brand and go to a competitor like BMW to do this?
In addition, the Cayenne also gives Porsche the ability to demonstrate their engineering prowess. No car of that size can compare to the ability of the Cayenne. It is an engineering masterclass.
And finally, we must accept the financial reality of things. I am very happy that my 996 is built and supported by the most profitable car company in the world - that tells me that they are still going to be around in the future, and will carry on making great spors cars.
Remember, without the Cayenne Porsche sales and profitability would be down a great deal. Sales of 996 and Boxster and falling quite fast now, the Cayenne has saved the day and provided lots of profit to make a new sports car range.
It would have to have a 10mm lowered sports chassis to please anyone on this board
toppstuff said:
The single biggest reason for people selling their Porsche is having kids, and needing more space. Why should they leave the brand and go to a competitor like BMW to do this?
in my opinion you're wrong. Using the same logic, why should I leave the brand if I wanted to shift a 40ft articulated trailer?? Or I am getting old and want a little runaround for the shopping and to see the grandchildren. Why don't Porsche do a nice hatchback with a 1.3 litre engine...?
The brand is an exclusive, high performace sports car. Not a volume manufacturer.
It would seem to me that there is no real debate to be had any more - the simple fact is, like it or not, they've produced the Cayenne and it has worked for them! It appears they are right and the doubters are wrong.
They might have tested all of our brand loyalty a bit in the process but at the end of the day we are all still here buying their sportscars, driving them, and spending our time discussing them on the web!
Do we drool over the GT3RS any less because we know the same company makes a VW powered luxo-barge? I know I don't!
They might have tested all of our brand loyalty a bit in the process but at the end of the day we are all still here buying their sportscars, driving them, and spending our time discussing them on the web!
Do we drool over the GT3RS any less because we know the same company makes a VW powered luxo-barge? I know I don't!
Elms - ever heard of Tudor or Philips? Both Rolex & B & O use major components from them in their own products, just as Porsche uses major components from VW in the Cayenne - it's just not so evident in these brands, but next time check out a Tudor watch and notice its similarity to an Oyster
rubystone said:
Elms - ever heard of Tudor or Philips? Both Rolex & B & O use major components from them in their own products, just as Porsche uses major components from VW in the Cayenne - it's just not so evident in these brands, but next time check out a Tudor watch and notice its similarity to an Oyster
Im sure your right, Ferrari may use the same manufacture to make the fuel filler cap on the Enzo as a Fiat Punto but it doesnt detract from the performance of the product as the Cayenne does trading on the Porsche sports car name.
That's only 'cos they aren't as in your face as the Cayenne is. Tudor make the movement & Philips (who own B & O) make the tubes - pretty major components I'd argue. At least Ferraris don't share any major components with Fiats.
I happen to agree with you BTW! But by all accounts the Cayenne is an impressive piece of engineering... which is more than you could say for the 914 or 924 IMHO
I happen to agree with you BTW! But by all accounts the Cayenne is an impressive piece of engineering... which is more than you could say for the 914 or 924 IMHO
I have both a new 53 plate 996 C2 and a new 53 plate Cayenne S, both in Basalt Black and I love both of them as much as each other.
Unless you have driven or owned one (preferably done both!!) you can not appreciate how superb they actually are as a car. They are pretty wonderful compared to the peer market available today and I have driven them all before making my choice and truthfully,,, cost aside, there is no choice,,,,,,, in my opinion of course and I am not brand baised as I also have a Subaru Forester and an Elise!!!
Lastly, unless there has been a market announcement today, Porsche are not a registered Charity. They are a financially revenue generating company whose shareholders have invested in the company to make a profit on their investments. If market economics demand that Porsche use their subject matter expertise in the automotive world and diversify their risk from one automotive niche sector to multiple ones, then they have been very prudent to do so. I'd prefer to invest in a mutual fund rather than in one single equity (unless I knew it has guaranteed upside) and that's what Porsche has done, reduced it's exposure and Risk by diversifying.
Stu
Unless you have driven or owned one (preferably done both!!) you can not appreciate how superb they actually are as a car. They are pretty wonderful compared to the peer market available today and I have driven them all before making my choice and truthfully,,, cost aside, there is no choice,,,,,,, in my opinion of course and I am not brand baised as I also have a Subaru Forester and an Elise!!!
Lastly, unless there has been a market announcement today, Porsche are not a registered Charity. They are a financially revenue generating company whose shareholders have invested in the company to make a profit on their investments. If market economics demand that Porsche use their subject matter expertise in the automotive world and diversify their risk from one automotive niche sector to multiple ones, then they have been very prudent to do so. I'd prefer to invest in a mutual fund rather than in one single equity (unless I knew it has guaranteed upside) and that's what Porsche has done, reduced it's exposure and Risk by diversifying.
Stu
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